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I have a fairly loaded 135i Coupe, but I am trading it in for the 135i convertible which I've had on order for months. It is ready in a few more days and I am excited as hell.
It is imperative that you order the Sport Package in order to get the Sport seats. I and others have made that error, and regreted it. Fortunately, I am able to get the Sports seats when I re-ordered the car as a convertible. If you have any doubts about this, you should ask me about it.
BTW, Mr. Hpowder's posts are some of his most ridiculous posts he has made in a long time. He obviously does not like the 1-Series so he picks and chooses the few unusual sources of information to support his dislike.
In actual fact, while Edmunds does not have an abundance of 1-Series owners yet, it is pretty obvious that the car has just been released for sale only a few months ago.
There is a dedicated website to the 1-Series that has a monstrous membership roster. So any idea that I am a lone owner is incorrect and pointless. I agree that there aren't many 1-Series owners yet on this website, but that will change.
Also, hpowder's reference to a couple of negative reviews does not in any way diminish the multitude of positive and complimentary reviews. Few cars have EVER been so praised as the 1-Series.
The 3-Series is a great car. But it is not the BMW entry vehicle any more. So there is obvious sibling rivalry and jealousy. It makes no difference... the 1-Series outperforms the 3-Series. All the talk in the world can't change that.
BTW, I will likely buy my wife a 335i convertible to go alongside my 135i convertible. The 1-Series is more of a man's car and the 335i hardtop convertible will be perfect for her, as the 3-Series is perfect for a female, with it's graceful and softer lines. Since the 3er is about to get a refresh, we will wait for the '09 model.
TM
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
Edmunds is filled with enthusiasts. So where are all the 1 Series owners?
Folks have been voting on the 1 Series with their pocketbooks.
Yes, correct... and so far, the 1-Series is essentially sold out, with a few stragglers in inventories. Try to get a "deal" on one. Yet, the 3 and the 5 are plentiful and sitting in inventories and the dealers will make you a "deal" to get rid of them. Even BMWFS will put together one of their special leases deals on a 3 or a 5 series, but not on a 1er.
And, all this just after only several months of the 1-Series release!!
More positive reviews have been written on the 1-Series than almost any other car in history, yet you decide to dig up the small few negative ones and point them out. That's way out of whack, and you know it.
As an owner, or previous owner, of a Porsche (I'm on my third), Ferrari, MCS, Lotus Sport Elise Ltd. track car edition, and others, as well as this 135i, I can tell you that I am more of an enthusiast than someone that would drive some tragically boring Toyota/Lexus SUV, for example, and I wouldn't even consider the 135i unless it was a performance machine. And THAT it is!!
The 135i beats the previous M3s, and nearly every car that BMW manufacturers to date. It takes the new generation V8 M3 to barely beat it. And, all this from the "entry" BMW? WOW!
The world's largest 1-Series website has a monstrous membership roster and more information about the 1-series than you could EVER begin to absorb. I have been an active member all year, and soon I will have contributed close to a thousand posts, and read many many thousands of others posts, some of which are made by incredibly knowledgable enthusiasts that race their cars regularly.
We don't all agree on everything, but we all know and understand the fact that the 1-Series is a BMW enthusiast's dream come true!
I'm kind of surprised at your perspective here. You used to look like you really knew your stuff, but lately... well...let's just say that you are sounding like a guy that would actually buy a Lexus LX570 SUV... LOL.
Say what you will, but I will continue to enjoy my 135i high-performance BMW, and soon it is very possible that my wife will enjoy her 3-Series hardtop convertible, even if it is a bit slower than the 1er... heh! heh! Oh, and I'm sure it will be easier to get a deal on that 3-Series, too!... afterall, the public has spoken with their wallets (and your "pocketbook"), and left plenty of 3-Series out there in inventory.
Oh... did I mention that 2/3rds of all 1-Series sales are already pre-sold!! Another testimonial from the "pocketbooks". :shades:
TM
You Tube can also help; I'm currently trying to re-learn the Glen, as I haven't been there since 1988 :surprise:
As far as simulators go, a tanker friend of mine is going to get me some seat time in an M1 Abrams driving simulator. THAT should be interresting...
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
The 135i Coupe is NOT that vehicle.
With BMW's latest focus on technology for technology's sake such as the iDrive controller, 2 step-vehicle starting, steptronic transmissions that must be "relearned", gimmicky turn signals, etc; in addition to their focus on impractical SUV's that are at the bottom of their class in practical cargo room and God knows what they were thinking with the release of the X6; in addition to their release of a "smaller" sporty coupe that was rumored to be a reincarnation of the much loved and missed "2002", which more realistically turned out to be a slightly smaller version of the 3 Series Coupes; you will begin to understand my frustration with a company I can no longer support with unbridled enthusiasm.
Do they serve Kona coffee at Lexus? :surprise:
Enjoy! I had the opportunity to ride around on one at YPG (Yuma Proving Grounds) a few years ago. We build the engine (1500 hp turbine).
Is that not a good thing? Rightly or wrongly, there is a certain stigma attached to an "entry-level" vehicle.
"The 1-Series is more of a man's car..."
It's funny you should say that. I took my wife to look at the 1 series on the weekend. She said it looks cute and funky, and she added she can see a lot of grads getting one for a grad present, and she can see a lot of girls in particular going for it. In fact, she proclaimed that when the lease on her Mini ends, the 1 series would be on her short list.
TM
None of it really matters... I was just poking at hpowders a little.
TM
I wanted to personalize the 545i's license plate with "do you feel lucky, punk?" but it just doesn't fit. One more month to go.
Educate me. What makes the sport seats so desirable? I have to say that the standard seats look like they hug you pretty well.
My E46 has standard seats and I do find myself sliding a little when I wish I was being snuggled more, but the 135's seats do not compare to the E46 seats.
2020 Ascent Limited, 2024 Subaru Legacy Sport
The stats on th e3er is probably skewed because of the large number of 323 and 328xi wagons which no doubt have a large fan base made up of secretaries, young housewives, and upwardly mobile young real estate saleswomen and young female lawyers.
It may be more interesting to look at the gender split for the 335 & 328 sedan and coupes only.
But I agree, that's neither here nor there. :shades:
The G35 sport seats are very good also but still a tad less perfect.
You need to try them yourself to see.
Regards,
OW
The Sport seat will get you the necessary lateral stability, on the seat's bottom, and on the sides, where there is a width-adjustable bolster system. Also the thigh support is adjustable, although that isn't nearly as important as the lateral support and stability that is there when you need it during spirited driving.
Please trust me. I have read countless testimonials on this, and mine is just another one to add to the pile.
Fortunately, my convertible will have the Sport seats, and I will be enjoying some of the best support possible... not just good from a comfort perspective... but incredible from a performance perspective! That's where the real difference lies, and it's worth the nominal charge which also gets you the M steering wheel and the M shift knob as a small bonus... but it's really about the seats!
Hope that helps!
TM
Yeah. That helps a lot.
It looks like it will be sport package, heated seats, and I might as well throw in comfort access.
Thanks
2020 Ascent Limited, 2024 Subaru Legacy Sport
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
And, yes, It would be hard to turn down an E46 M3 if it was in good condition.
I recently thought of acquiring one... but I have my sights on a Lotus Elise SC.
TM
One of the instructors brought an Exige to the school. It was a rocket. I'd buy one yesterday if I didn't need at least four seats.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
Easy solution.....buy 2! :P
Did you get to drive it?
TM
No, I didn't know the owner.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
I've never driven one either and I don't think I should - I know once I try one I'll have to own one.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
The headlights are the weak spot in the design appearance, but otherwise I think it looks exotic, and certainly the performance is stellar. When I had one for a short while, it turned more heads than you can imagine... and got tons of positive reactions.
TM
When it comes to cars, people tend to always react positively to anything foreign, sporty, and rare, regardless of whether it is a visual work of art.
Here! I got mine last week and I love it. 118d 3-door, jet black, with sports seats, orange cloth/leather interior, premium hi-fi, USB-Audio interface, xenon headlights, 17" V-spoke wheels, heated seats and some more goodies.
interior pic:
http://www.spymac.com/details/?2373444
http://www.spymac.com/details/?2373445
The car in BMW Welt:
http://www.spymac.com/details/?2373438
http://www.spymac.com/details/?2373440
http://www.spymac.com/details/?2373442
About 50% of the people picking up their cars in BMW Welt were Americans.
It gets great fuel economy btw. On B-roads it typically gets 50 mpg with normal driving (just keeping the rpms between 1500 and 2000). Autobahn driving at about 200 kph results in 33 mpg.
I've actually started to see more 1ers popping up on the roads around NYC. I passed a White 135i Coupe on the way to work, a Red 128i 'Vert, and a Montego Blue 1er on the other side of the road.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
When I test drove a 120d while trying to find out if I'd like a bit more power than the 118, it was a coupe. My girlfriend said it looked like an old peoples' car, she loves the hatchback though.
The coupe wouldn't be very useful, because I have to travel with lots of tools and parts boxes. Any gas engine would be downright impossible economically.
Last winter my wife and I drove along two weeks a diesel 118d on a 1,500-mile tour from the Pyrenees to the Alps and back. The car behaved fantastically, even being as she was full loaded (back seats folded) with heavy luggage. On snow, she was even more efficient than some SUV riding ahead of us —or was it that the other driver was unable to manage the SUV?
And the consume was really frugal .
Enjoy the black little greyhound!
Regards,
Jose
TM
Has the series been successful in meeting its projections? I think it is a very appealing package but I am single and have had a few BMWs in the past and liked them (although they were expensive to maintain--now not a consideration for the first years). I tend to keep my cars for at least 8 years.
I would like to hear from some knowledgeable person that sales are going along as planned if that is the case.
*really* want one now.
But it's worth noting that 3-series sales at @60,000 YTD are down 13% from 2007 and BMW's overall passenger CAR sales are down @8%. YTD. (And that doesn't factor in the nearly 20% drop in SAV (X3/X5) sales).
I wouldn't assume that your dealer is feeling like (s)he's holding all the cards in negotiations just because the 1 is new and "hot" Your dealer still has to move metal to pay the rent/utilities.
Full Test BMW 128i
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
OT: The vehicle that really surprised me was the X6 35i- it was very quick and handled much better than such a big and heavy truck has a right to. Pointless but fun.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
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But then you could get a 128i coupe for only $30k.
If you find a CPO Cayman for $30k, please let me know. I think I may be able to talk the wife into that one.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
If I kept the options to a minimum, I think a new one would retail for $30-32K. When the time comes for me - in a few years - to get a new ride, perhaps a CPO might fit the bill at, hopefully, $20-23K.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
BTW, my Prelude hit 100,000 miles last week! :P
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
When I compared that to the 135i I tested 1 month later, I was astounded. That car makes my 330xi feel like a lead sled!
Regards,
OW
Funny, I sometimes have the same thought, though I'm partial to the Mini Clubman. Which, of course, the wife absolutely hates.
Rear seat space isn't that important to me, as I'm usually alone or with the wife. We have her car if there are more than 2 of us.
So then why not the 135i?
Or do you figure a used M coupe is still better?
A Cayman doesn't have a back seat at all.
And I'm assuming you mean an M3 coupe. If the Z4M, that doesn't have a back seat, either.
personally, I think a 335 is a better buy than a used M3.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
Yep.
Cayman doesn't have a back seat at all.
And I'm assuming you mean an M3 coupe. If the Z4M, that doesn't have a back seat, either.
My point is that I might as well have a car with no back seat as opposed to one with a cramped back seat.
personally, I think a 335 is a better buy than a used M3
To each his own. In my opinion the E46 M3 provides a much more visceral driving experience. And the jury is still out regarding the longevity of the N54- especially when subjected to frequent HPDE use.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
The MINI or the 1 series should have back seat room that exceeds my Prelude's.
I don't like the rear doors on the MINI CLUBMAN with the big split down the middle.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD