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bet i can get floormats
Perhaps. DO I think that based on what I have seen it is even remotely indicitave of the market or a deal that makes sense for a dealer to do?
I don't think so.
27290-26467= 823
28990*0.02=580 (Acura's holdback is %2)
My point is if the reality market is nearly or full MSRP, why does it make sense to sell one for such a discount? I would have passed on the deal unless I needed a unit on the last day of the month to hit an allocation bonus.
included:
-mud guards
-wheel locks
-trunk tray
-trunk 'net'..forgot the name of it
not included:
-tax
I'm in chicago
Their Internet Specials:
2004 TSX (Premium Pkg) $26,495.00 + TTL
2004 TSX (Navigation) $28,495.00 + TTL
39 month Lease
$386 per month ($354 + 9% tax)
$750 down plus bank fee, first month, tags, security = $2,081 at signing
12,000 mi/yr
59% residual (approx $15,900)
Granted this was without any negotiation and sure it was based on MSRP. However, your deal appears to have included $0 down (just inception fees) and 15,000 mi/yr and is only $12 more. Seems your deal on an apples to apples basis is about $30/month less based on the following monthly adjustments;
$398 - your payment
-$18 - difference in miles (12,000 vs 15,000)
-$24 - $750 down payment
$356 - Adjusted payment
Can you tell me is your Lease 36 or 39 months and what selling price was the lease based on and what is the residual?
I would really appreciate your help. I am looking at the TSX and the Volvo S60 2.5T. Thanks in advance.
Sure the made money off of me, but the best I was able to do at any other dealer was $500 off MSRP.
Total Savings $1180 off of MSRP which I am comfortable with.
My lease is for 36 months (dealer told me 39 months would actually cost a little more).
Residual is 63%.
I paid $30 under msrp (I think - I don't have paperwork - as I don't have car till end of month).
The money factor was .00205 or 4.92%
The money down was $1,125 = first month payment of $398, bank fee $600, remainder is tags, no security deposit (returning Acura customer - currently at end of a CL lease).
I did contact Ardmore Acura via my credit union's car buying program - they quoted me $1250 down and $389 a month before tax - $424 after tax for 36 months and 15,000 miles a year. After I told them what Sussman was offering they offered to match. I told them thanks but no thanks.
Sussman also included wheel locks and splash guards.
Total money out of pocket difference between your quote and my actual is $1,682. ($2081 + $386*39 vs. $1,125 + 398*36).
Hope this helps.
NO $1700 discount. In fact *NO* DISCOUNT at all.
So don't feel bad if you paid MSRP, that is what everyone is currently paying, even Mr. NERDAK
I remember trying to negotiate using some of the prices that I read on this post. Dealers literally hurt themselves laughing so hard, not willing to budge a cent off sticker and they pretty much said if you wont pay sticker plenty others will. They wouldnt believe me that I had one dealer quote of $500 off, saying that dealer was lieing and that there was no way any dealer would discount the car. I bought the car at $500 off but had to drive a little further out.
Just curious, is it really worth it to fly somewhere to get a better? I read stuff on the site about traveling the ends of the world to save $500 bucks.
Also never ask a floor sales guy the price. They are going to give you list. Use the "internet" department or figure out the sales manager and e-mail directly.
As you said don't feel bad if you paid MSRP because it's a great car but I don't know how to prove that I got $1700 off.
Again thanks and sorry for the couple day delay on the thank you!
Regardless, seems that at least 2 of the dealerships were offering $500 off MSRP before I even walked in, while the others (I looked at 5 total) weren't willing to budge a single dollar off the MSRP.
Will let you know what I paid if I end up with Acura. At this point, due to the customer service, might end up with a different car all together.
I can't stand playing games with dealers or having to pick a car that I like only to find you have to add 5 different packages to get what the Acura already comes with.
In my case, I am going to reduce my monthly lease payment by $100 and go from 12,000 to 15,000 a year with my lease.
I think I am getting a very good car and did not want to haggle, get frustrated or waste time with other cars, dealers.
Good luck!
also, if anyone wants wood trim to accent the aluminum, i saw a nice, big (lots of pieces) kit on there for $164/buy-it-now. i was glad to see that, because i like meteor silver/quartz, but don't care for the aluminum trim. this wood kit is a really good compliment.
btw - i have no personal interest in either of these items, just passing along info.
Today the dealer called to tell me the car has been sold- basically PULLING it from under me.
Three lessons I learned-
1. You CAN nagotiate a price under the MSRP.
2. All I've seen from Acura's corporate message is a complete disregard for fair and honest customer relations. I'm waiting on one more dealer to come through before I move to another car all together to never look back at Acura.
3. Don't shop at Pleasanton and Colma (Monteserreno) of Northern California.
This is my personal experience- yours might be different. Just thought I'd share.
My goal is a Carbon Grey/Ebony/Auto/Navigation -- I like the body kits but I am not sure if anyone thinks its worth it dealer cost - where aftermarket it might be cheaper and better?comments?
Also I have a 1997 Discovery with 70k miles and in good shape prolly worth kelly blue book 4k-7k I want to trade in -- though I have been warned to haggle a price and only then mention I want to trade in a car.
Again I know I am a noob and for that I kick myself in the pants... **WHACK**... There I did it, but this is my first car that I am purchasing on my own with 10k cash, hopefully 5k trade in and the rest financed and a very good rate of hopefully 4.7% with my good credit rating of a FICO score of 684. I am expecting about mid 200 monthly payments for a 72 month period putting me at about $2,268 in interest.
So a recap:
(1) Advice on getting this car down since miami is a car town and dealers push the fact its a hot item you must order to even see b/c they move so fast
(2) Should I go internet - strictly internet sales from distant dealers?
(3) Any recommendations on where the best place to finance the supposed last 15k of the cost at?
(4) Best way to deal with my trade-in.
(5) if anyone has heard anything good about the optional mp3 player that runs about $495 that I would assume ties in nicely with the nav screen to be able to ready full song titles and directories??
I really appreciate any help -- help a first timer out!
My Goal is this car without killing myself in the process.
That being said--there is a no-haggle dealer here in San Antonio, Gunn Acura, and they are asking $1000 off MSRP (no hidden fees) for either navi ($27,990) or no navi ($25,990). I would have certainly bought from them (and had planned to) until I struck such a deal from OKC.
My advice--if you are really stuck, call Gunn in San Antonio, order a TSX ($500 deposit) and fly and come pick it up. Especially if you aren't getting past sticker with your dealers. For some people, it may be worth the trip (and the fact that there is no haggling!). And you'll save at least $1000!
Best car buying experience I have ever had. Love the car, and am glad I spent more time and effort comparison shopping for this purchase!
Please share you opinions, advice, or suggestions.
Thanks
Ride wise, replace the TSX's w/ Accord springs! Otherwise, you'll find a night-&-day difference in ride comfort between this 17" TSX & cars like 325i w/o sport package or even 2002 C-class w/ sport suspension. Replacing the 17" w/ 16" won't do much depth, as the TSX's already got soft bushings to take care of the 17"'s harshness.
I really like the power of the CL-S 6-speed but it is going away and is a coupe. I like the accord 6-speed good performance but it also is a coupe. I looked at the Infiniti G35 sedan power was pretty good but you can't combine all the options I want and the color selection is stiffed over the G35 Coupe. G35 coupe backseat is downright claustrophobic and I think with the low gearing it won't even get the rate 27 mpg.
I looked at the Mazda6S and test drove one with sport package. It performed pretty good but the ride was a little jouncy and it was geared low, I envision again only about 21 or so on the highway. And the Mazda 6 just didn't have the fit and finish and quality feel that the other cars do.
Then there is the TL coming in September 2004 . It will be a 6-speed and a sedan and have all the luxury features the Mazda doesn't and the power the TSX doesn't. Or then do you wait until 2005 when the new TL Type S comes out.
I also really liked the 2004 BMW 330i sedan 6-speed with sport package, rated o-60 mph at 5.9 seconds. It is real close to the 98 M3 sedan I had but a little more subtle ride. I don't know if I want to go through the BMW scene again.
From a practical standpoint the car I like the best is the Accord 6-speed with NAV at about 2K under MSRP. regular gas, highway rate at 30 mpg, will probably get 26-28 at my normal highway commute speeds.
But then maybe I should give up performance altogether and go for mileage and get a red Insight.
Go luck in your decision process. Let me know what you decide.
Midnight Cowboy
That was the stupid thing I noticed when the IS300 1st came out. Least interior room & highest fuel consumption of all Lexus cars! The lack of space restricted the flow of the exhaust was the culprit, I thought.
The TL feels extremely cheap once you've sat in the Accord and TSX. It was the most expensive of the three and yet it felt the cheapest, out of date, and after seeing pictures of the new TL, it's hard to get excited about the current one. And there's that big transmission issue.
The TSX looks great, but feels very cramped, especially in the backseat. Acura is supposed to be a luxury brand and yet there's no power seat for the passenger and no heated mirrors. What really turned me off though was the ride. It is very bumpy. For everyday driving, I knew I'd grow to hate it and I'm sure passengers would hate it too. aqpham, that probably answers your question. The price of the TSX was also an issue. Even after getting $1000 knocked off MSRP, I still felt it was overpriced. Sure you're getting a lot of features, but I'd trade a lot of them for a V6. I think a car shouldn't cost more than 25K if it only gives you 4 cylinders.
I felt very at home in the Accord. It's very comfortable, has lots of space, is loaded with features, has the engine power, can be fun to drive when I need it to be, and can a luxury cruiser when I have passengers. In the end, my only real issue with the car was the way it looks. But I happen to think it looks better in person than in pictures. I got a great deal on it. $200 over invoice. I also added the decklid spoiler to improve the rear. It may not handle as well as the TSX, but it's still a fun car. If you learn to look past its appearance and don't mind that everyone else is driving one, than I'd say you should get the Accord. For the price, I can't think of any car that offers so much.
Ever hear of a little company called Mercedes-Benz? There are two other rather obscure companies known as Audi and Saab that make some pretty good 4 bangers. BMW and Porsche are also known to have made a car or three with 4 cylinder engines.
I think the Accord is an excellent choice for you.
"That's exactly why I would never get any of those cars. That and the fact that you're paying so much just to impress other people with the nameplate on your car. Regardless of whether one company's 4 cylinder is better than another company's 6, I'd still feel like I'm not getting my money's worth. Suppose someone made a fabric seat that was better than leather. Would you get a Lexus with fabric? No, because leather is implied in the definition of luxury. Likewise, a price tag of 25K in my mind implies 6 cylinders. I just feel like I'm not getting my money's worth if I don't get a V6."
Following your logic, you should be driving a Hyundai Sonata V6 with leather for $17,000. It has a V6, and it has leather.
Honestly, leather is not it is all cracked up to be. It is finniky, it is hot in summer, cold in winter, need constant attention or it will crack. The only thing leather is better at is when you have kids and they spill stuff on your seats. I wish honda offered TSX without leather, I happen to like Alcantara, or just plain Velour, which is available on the IS300. Leather is perceived luxury, in your own words "That and the fact that you're paying so much just to impress other people with the nameplate on your car"
Honda has some of the best 4 cylinder engines in the world. And to discount the car only because it has a 4 banger is really senseless. Mind that Porches were all 4 cylinder at one time, while "luxury" caddilacs were V8's at the time. Still the 4 bangers would outrun any caddy.
The complaints about TSX's ride, hey what do you expect from Accord Type R. You can not have cornering if the car bounces like a lincoln over every bump.
TSX is a better compromize than Accord V6, if you driven one, you will soon feel the "nose heavy" characteristics. Besides, the new Accord is about the size of my grandma's Buick park avenue. Way too big for my liking.
I hope Honda is listening and does bring over a decontented TSX for about $20K. (no leather, no xenon, no climate control, just plain A/c, power windows and locks, optional sunroof, and 16 inch wheels instead of useless 17)
oh well, back to the topic.
kyfdx
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M3, IS300 they are not V6s but inline 6s
Remember why Honda made the TSX: to fill in the gap between the TL and the RSX. If there was a TSX version at about $20 grands, then where would the RSX be. Also, the TSX came to the market as a near luxury sport sedan, so I think that all of the features that came with it really justify its existence.