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Toyota Tundra - How much did you pay?
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Unfortunately, TDA is a real expense the dealer has to pay the factory, and they won't give it up.
I signed the agreement today for a truck from a dealer in Cincinnati because he has in stock and it's almost exactly what I wanted (all except V3), will pick it up tomorrow. Heres the numbers:
SR5 mdl 7828 4wd, ext cab - invoice costs
$22,794 (pre 2/1/00 price)
$59 CK
$188 DZ
$848 CQ
$740 OF
$60 CC
$48 CF
$249 V3
$160 BL
$25146
$480 Dest.
$6 fuel charge
25,632
$382 TDA (advertising)
$26014
$400 dealer profit
$75 doc fees
$26489
$(150) Toyota coupon
$26339 OTD
Effectively, I got the truck for below current invoice. The 2/1/00 increase at invoice was $327.60, + $150 coupon minus the $50 cost for the coupon = $427.60 advantage over a post 2/1/00 truck.
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All toyota dealers will add the TDA (regional advertising). Also, Toyota's marketing startegy is to offer variations on their vehicles to certain markets, for instance
I live in Central Florida and the national ads have an SR5 V8 Disclaimer '00 TUNDRA #7728 $1,798 due at signing. $21,659 Adjusted Capitalized Cost based on $1,499 Down Payment and dealer participation which may vary by dealer. MSRP $25,124 including freight. Monthly payments total $14,352. Your payment may vary depending on final price. Excludes tax, tag and title. Lessee responsible for maintenance, excess wear and tear and $0.15/Mile over 12,000/YR. Lease-end purchase option $12,813. Disposition fee of $350 due at lease end. At participating dealers to qualified lessees through SOUTHEAST TOYOTA FINANCE. Retail delivery must be taken out of stock by March 31, 2000. See your participating dealer for details.
NO DEALS FROM THE DEALER ON THIS LEASE AND I WAS WONDERING IF ANYONE MIGHT BE GETTING DEALS ON LEASES?
Shoot me the e-mail again, and I'll answer your questions. Thanks for your patients and discovery.
My appologies to those who have not been able to e-mail me.
Total cost to me $26,000 + Tax
Any opinions, comments
Topic #2: Has anyone heard of design improvements for the Tundra? My complaints are few but; will they put 4 wheel disc brakes on it in 2001? What about that rear seatback, plans to give it any contour/rake?
Topic #3: TRD offroad pck. Is it worth it? How's the ride? Also, the tires on the nonTRD truck look very umm...carlike, and not very aggressive for winter driving and offroading.
Any input would be greatly appreciated before I purchase.
24275 plus tax tag. Pcheng I tried who you said
but they were 1500 or more then anyone in MD, VA
& some PA dealers.
Someone who really knows the story on these please help. Are they really passed to the dealer? Some of these could be unique to Texas and Gulf States Toyota. I'm not sure about that.
Thanks.
Thanks again.
Good luck
Samman
NJ seem to be the lowest prices BTWN VA PA MD DE
& NY. Ask for Andrew Caldwell Toyota NJ I paid
25894 out the door. Or if you're close to Delaware
ask for Oscar New Castle Toyota.
check the spelling...I've received e-mails from 3 people from the edmunds site, so far. This is my only e-mail address. Post your e-mail address and I'll send a note to see if yours is working properly.
Once we drove the Tundra, we knew that this was the vehicle for us. It's like a Lexus with a P/U bed in back. We will own one soon, now we know what price to expect. Thanks!
can throw at you, I will direct you to
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incredibly useful car buying information. You
won't be disappointed.
Let me also make a few comments about invoice and cost. They are not the same thing. Invoice is what we pay for the trucks. Cost is invoice minus holdback and finance reserve (not TDA, we don't get that money back) PLUS average floorplan interest, advertising expenses, commissions, salaries of the staff, utilities and all other variable expenses in the dealership. When a deal is discussed, it is always in relation to invoice and not cost.
The amount you will pay over invoice is reliant upon what the market in your area demands. Right now, we have a shortage of SR5 V8 Access cabs and 4x4 Limited. We sell those for $950 over invoice. If you want a 4x4 V6 standard transmission or a V8 standard cab 4x4, I'll sell any one I have in stock at invoice and sometimes a little less. Those units are lot rocks in my area.
A few months ago, we had plenty of Limited in stock and I had a guy fly to VA from CA to buy one. I sold it for $650 over invoice and he saved $2500 over the best deal he could get locally. He drove it home and just considered the drive a vacation.
The question to ask when buying is not how much money the dealership is making. The question is how good is the price relative to what I could get it for elsewhere. If you get bogged down over the definition of holdback, you may miss the fact that the price being offered is under what the market bears in your area.
The other question to ask is "does the value exceed the price." This is a simple question. If the truck is not worth the money, don't buy it. If it is, buy it.
Alfred
4 WD w/ Leather, Off Road, 6 disc changer,
Tonneau Cover, Under rail bed liner, All Weather
Package, Alarm,, and Towing Package...28,495 plus
Tax and Tags...How did I do??? Also I ordered it
and they told me 4-6 weeks. How accurate is this? I
don't want to wait any longer than that !! Those
of you who have ordered-- is this fairly close to
actual delivery time??
on a weekly basis.
If you are interested in buying a Tundra at $650 over invoice, buy all means check out Hurlbert's Toyota in Stratham NH. If you check out my file, send me an email and I"ll explain my experience in shopping for a Tundra.
Got to go, one of my Chevy Truck buddies has broken down on RT 93.
Here in VA, we get very few Tundras with ABS and it drives me nuts. Most of my customers want it and I have a hard time getting them.
Has anybody been successful in negotiating out the TDA fee? I don't see why they try to pass this cost along to the customer especially since I haven't seen an advertisement for the Tundra in any newspapers or on TV since it first won Motor Trend T.O.T.Y.
By the way, I got some really good quotes from the online buying service carpoint.com. The Autobytel dealer didn't call me back within 24-48hrs but I stopped at the dealer and asked for the guy. They quickly matched the carpoint dealers prices. I learned it works well to go into the dealer holding all the cards. I had a stack of different Tundras I optioned out w/ their MSRP and Invoice posted side by side. They quickly get out of the MSRP mode and start talking real deals. Thank God for the internet!!
Torrance CA told me they did not have a problem
with Tundra orders. Most likely you have a dealer
who does not want to deal that way and would
rather sale what's on his lot or do a regional
search. If they won't order just go to someone
else. If you do have a problem just call Toyota
USA Torrance CA and let them know they might even
call the dealer your at while your there. I had
a problem with a dealer who tried to tell me
about the new emmissions law that took effect in
January. That I could only order from the state
I live in (Maryland). Of course I new something
did not sound right so I email Toyota USA and also
had called them, toyota customer service connected
me to department that deales in emmissions and
explained it to me and then they called the
dealership for putting out bogus info. Needless
to say the dealership called me in regards to my
contact with Toyota USA. The other things is not
to pay the finacial reserve, which according to
Toyota USA the dealership should not be passing
onto the consumer, Doc fees is another one that
you should not pay no more then 50.00. Also watch
it some dealers will add holdback which is already
included in there invoice (there trying to double
dip). If a dealer shows you his invoice for trucks
usually it's just paper with a bunch of vehicles
stock #s invoice price and msrp. Tell them you
want to see the actual invoice with all charges
for a specific truck. That holdback and sometimes
other kickbacks the dealer gets at the end of the
quarter or so. So, be careful out there and do
not go for the double team of sales reps, just
walk out and leave.
As to your question on TDA, we as dealerships can not negotiate it out of what we pay to Toyota. If anybody claims they didn't pay it, they fell for a real line from the dealership. We all pay it and it is not refunded to us ever. As a matter of fact, those $150 coupons you see on Edmunds are a result of the fact that we used to get half of the TDA money back. As part of a class action settlement, we put out the $150 coupons and stopped the practice of using the TDA as holdback.
While you may not see the Tundra advertised (although I see it every time I turn on a hockey game), the money goes into a pot for the region to use. If your region has too many Camrys and not enough Tundras, guess where the advertising money is going.
One final note. Buying a car or truck does not have to be a war with winners and losers. If you run into a dealership who seems to view it as a war, find one who doesn't. Don't reward the "old school" behavior with your business. Also, don't go to war with a decent dealership as you will be teaching them that they need to be like the other guys.
This can be a civilized process if both parties agree to make it so.
it is unwieldy to manage, and difficult to use for "newbies." There is entirely TOO much topic duplication, so I will be doing some SERIOUS topic consolidation in the next few weeks, getting us down to not more than 2-3 topics per vehicle type, and ultimately down to 200 topics or less.
THIS weeks consolidation candidates are: Tundra's, Tacoma's and Rangers.
In that vein,please consolidate this Tundra topic to Welcome Toyota Tundra - V and continue these discussions there.
Thanks!
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