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I an Acura/Honda loyalist, but I must say that the new design is a bit on the ugly side. I was anxiously awaiting the new MDX, but I will wait until they change this new body style. It is way too boxy for a 2007 model (just like the new Cadillac theme). Also, a lot of manufacturers are going with the sloped roof design, it just looks ridiculous. The Acura MDX and the new Honda CR-V also has the sloping roof design and it just looks odd. The interior of the MDX is well done though.
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Not so much on the steering wheels. The 4 spoke in the Audi looks like the one from my family's old Volare wagon. I also see a 3 spoke design in those pics, but it's not very different. Either way, there's nothing pretty or even interesting about it.
And, frankly, the center stack on the Audi is dominated by two air vents. It looks utilitarian to the point of reminding me of a pick-up truck. The MDX is a little busy, but far more upscale in terms of what is placed where.
No doubt, the Audi is a good-looking vehicle. But the things I like about it appear to be very different than your favorites.
Much better value with the MDX.
Combine that with the horror stories of Q7 owners and I will sleep very well choosing the new MDX.
My only concern is the lousy way Acura has combined the packages.
Why can't I order sport without any other package or a power lift gate without the rear entertainment package?
Who the heck do they have over there making these dumb decisions?
Because offering a long list of options complicates the manufacturing process.
Complicating the manufacturing process adds cost.
Adding costs to production means passing costs to the customer.
Added costs for the customer means the MDX is no longer a "much better value".
On top of that, a less complicated assembly process means fewer assembly errors. Which means fewer horror stories.
In addition, I prefer to have less options deals when I met car dealers.
The reason why I prefer this deal, I have met some of dealers are playing with prices when vehicles have many options.
In other hand, I do understand some opinions are complain that lift gate option is attaching with ent packege. Can't they attch this on other packages? :shades:
I am considering this for my next vehicle and both these items are of interest to me.
Here is my lists on buying a 7 passenger luxury SUV on next year,
1st MDX-Acura-most valuble so far I found.OCt 15-17 will show.
2nd JFX(?)-Lexus I've looked some concept pics by internet.
not attractive on exterior, but lexus does have reliablity than acura? should appear in next spring.
3rd X5-BMW-Not reliable as others, but it does have cool features like head up display, some convenient interior options. will lease if I like it. December is the date of showing up.
5th veracruz-Hyundai, not sure about engine, but it debuts in this year. Probably most valuble prices of those.
4th Audi Q7-not reliable, at all.
The problem I had was that first selection (Sport/blue/beige) was not on the list for October supply. Have sinking feeling that certain color and package options will be hard to find if the majority of dealerships have waiting lists.
The MDX is certainly worth a long hard look, but there are plenty of alternatives. For me, the main alternatives are the Ford Edge and its platform-mate, the Mazda CX-9. The Mazda CX-9 has more space than the Edge, since it has a 3rd row, and more fancy features, such as rain-sensing wipers. The other platform-mate of those two is the Lincoln MKX, which offers cooled and heated front seats, but my wife and I much prefer the interior and exterior of the Ford or Mazda versions.
The MDX with the Sport&Technology option may well be nice enought to justify the $12,000 more it would cost me than an AWD Edge SEL Plus with a Pioneer AVIC-Z1 based sound and navigation system (with Nav-Traffic), the Lincoln MKX dimming exterior mirror, and a aftermarket dimming interior mirror with Homelink.
Even if the MDX seems superior, I will drop it like a hot rock if the Acura dealers are as obnoxious as they were in 2001.
Curiously given the price difference, the Edge will almost surely be somewhat quicker than the MDX - look at the gear ratios, weight, and power:
Edge AWD SEL Plus
4,282 pounds
265 HP / 250 Ft.-Lbs., 6-speed automatic
overall 1st gear 14.3
overall 2nd gear 9.1
overall 3rd gear 5.8
overall 4th gear 4.5
overall 5th gear 3.2
overall 6th gear 2.3
Acura MDX Sport & Tech.
4,551 Pounds
300 HP, 275 Ft. Lbs., 5-speed automatic
overall 1st gear 12.2
overall 2nd gear 7.3
overall 3rd gear 4.8
overall 4th gear 3.5
overall 5th gear 2.4
overall 6th gear ---
I wonder why Honda / Acura did not install a six-speed transmission in this new model?
They don't have one.
Instead the budget went into developing the J37 engine, the sport-suspension system, and the integration of the VSA and SH-AWD.
I don't see the Ford Edge as a comparable SUV to the MDX. The two SUV's are not in the same class (interior/suspension). The Ford Edge would be more likely compared to the Honda Pilot.
As a side note do you think the Lincoln MKX is worth $12,00 more than the Ford Edge?
I put a deposit down on a Nimbus gray mettalic with taupe. I'm hoping the 3-zone climate control can handle any color.
I was told by a good friend years ago to always buy black or white because it was easier to match the paint. I would hope in this day and age, matching paint is easier to do.
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5th veracruz-Hyundai, not sure about engine, but it debuts in this year. Probably most valuble prices of those.
how does hyundai show up on same list as a BMW???
I want the basic vehicle with the sport package and power liftgate. Can't get either without spending more money on stuff I don't want. Don't need nav or rear entertainment.
The option packages could have been made a little less "all-inclusive." Anybody should be able to order the sport package.
Acura did us all a disservice by packaging the options as they did. The sport package should stand alone. The power liftgate should be a separate option. DVD separate. It just seems to obvious. Not everyone has kids and needs the DVD, however, everyone has only 2 arms and would like that 3rd arm in the power liftgate. Why can't they see that?
I ♥ the new MDX. Its just to $$$ for us budgeted folks! Oh well another one bites the dust...
Hondas next 6 developments should be:
1. The next accord
2. A 6 speed auto(automanuals)
3. A USA legal diesel engine
4. 4cyl hybrid technology
5. A V8
6. Redevolping ATTS
I hope I'm right!
-Cj
I believe my local dealer has several on the lot. Took a brief look at one (no test drive) didn't think it was in the RDX's or the MDX's league if you ask me.
It's just me, the wife and my roadbike. No kids. Would have liked the sport package. Maybe next time.
No Howard not next time and not any time is Acuras going to offer a seperate sport package for the MDX. Your request is being heard by hearing impaired ears.
Based on reading some posts here most MDX followers here are more concerned with techno-gizmos and interior space. Sport is not the be all and end all for MDX buyers and Honda knows that. So they're going to squeeze as much $$$ as they can out of every technophile MDX buyer that they can get their greedy hands on. And ofcourse they are going to make sure the few and very few sport enthusiasts buying a MDX will have to pay up their noses for unneccesary gizmos in order to get the firm sport suspension they want.
A seperate sport package is just not going to cut it here. A seperate sport package may be very marketable for BMWs but not for Acuras. The customer priorities of an Acura MDX buyer and BMW X5 buyer are like night and day.
Apparently gizmos and more electronic gizmos is what attracts Acura buyers and performance, handling and even more stiff handling is what attracts BMW buyers.
However if your dealer does indeed have CX-9s on the lot, you should snap some pics and post them! People are wondering how the production model will look inside and out.
The CX-9 will supposedly have all the same gadgets as the MDX, but I suspect that interior quality will likely be a bit lower, but who knows. It might be closer in "league" than you think!
Acura does best, IMO they ARE the best at nav and electronics, so they are going to attract that crowd. BMW on the other hand does what it does with driving dynamics so there "greedy hands" will be in on that.
I can't wait to see a head to head comparo but I can almost guarantee the outcome. The BMW will win with the journalists due to superior driving dynamics. The MDX will come in a close second on price, ergonomics, technology, and value, especially since the Acura will be going for about 3 grand off sticker in 6 months to a year.
All that to say, I'm glad that Acura has taken a serious attitude towards performance, and handling :shades:
I never liked the concept of packaged options. In many cases, you will be paying for stuff you don't need.
Hard to believe one can't order the sport package and power lift gate separately.
Since I have to wait a year and a half anyway, with the great deal I should be able to negotiate at that time (3k-5k off MSRP), the cost of the technology/sport package will sort of pay for itself compared to what these folks here will be paying this month.
The MDX's base price is $40k.
4dr SUV AWD Automatic AWD 3.7L 6cyl
$39,995
4dr SUV AWD w/Technology Package Automatic AWD 3.7L 6cyl
$43,495
4dr SUV AWD w/Sport Package Automatic AWD 3.7L 6cyl
$45,595
4dr SUV AWD w/Technology, Entertainment Package Automatic AWD 3.7L 6cyl
$45,695
4dr SUV AWD w/Sport, Entertainment Package Automatic AWD 3.7L 6cyl
$47,795
Its expensive but it looks GREAT! Hope this helps!
-Cj
Here is a link comparing all 5 MDX trim levels. Be sure to click the different tabs. The "Print Summary" tab just displays everything from the other tabs.
-Cj
No one is denying that an a la carte option system would be nice.
What you are apparently unwilling to accept that such a system would be expensive.
Each little step you add to the assembly process adds cost. That cost gets passed to the customer. In the end, a customer looking to buy a loaded vehicle might end up spending $5K more because of all the hidden "assembly fees".
Anyway, I still can't make up my mind.. gotta drive all first and decide. :P
BMW 335 is another category. Anything good about 335 does not get carried to BMW X5 3.0L. Turbo chargers are not reliable. I don't think the turbo chargers from BMW would be exceptions.
I am very interested in new MDX. I have owned my 540iA since new for 8 years. I was among the first who test drove the new RL when it came out. Disappointed with its performance (compared with my 540iA, of course) Don't get me started on BMW reliability, though. I don't think "reliability" is even in BMW's dictionary. Handling definitely is.
I drove TL VS Nissan Maxima once, those are near by 255HP each. Maxima was way much faster than TL to me.
X5's 260 and MDX's 300, It looks like MDX is winner of engine, but should test it first and I will buy.
(as far as I can remember. I am sure I missed some.) You be the judge of BMW reliability. Mine is the second year model, FYI.
- moonroof broken TWICE
- cat converter rattle
- trunk latch failed
- windshield relay failed
- fog light switch failed
- radiator failed on highway (55K miles)
- coolant temp sensors failed TWICE
- water pump (58Kmiles)
- coolant reservoir cracked (55K miles)
- cam position sensors failed TWICE (won't start)
- instrument cluster LCD missing pixel TWICE.
- said LCD cluster's back light failed
None of those are maintenance items.
Roughly 50% happened under warranty. I estimate about $3000 out of my pocket so far.
In general, BMW I6 is more reliable than their V8. However, my friend's 2001 325's (life-time fluid) tranny just failed (at 55K!). $5000 out of his pocket. He is still trying to figure out how to tell his wife about it...
If I had to own a BMW again (for whatever crazy reason), I would lease it for four years (free maintenance included, nice!). At the end, return it to the dealer. Saiyonara!