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Anyway here's why we picked the Chevy:
5.3L engine has 285hp, 325 ft-lb torque in 2000
5.3L posts here report high-teens mpg
The extended cab is the largest
The Autotrac 4WD option
Four wheel disc brakes
GM makes some pretty decent smooth transmissions
GM's credit card rebate makes up any price difference.
Every engine techinally will put out the "teens" for mpg. Too vague for me.
Dave40,
The 6.0 outpulled the v-10? Yeah, tell me something we couldn't figure out! Were there any other tests or is this the only victory Chevy has over a losing war against Ford?;)
Good question about the Rams, where are they to be tested? Personally I would like to get the four (Toyota included) companies to go head to head without comparing apples to oranges.
Kernick said mileage in the "high teens." That means gas mileage around 18 and 19 mpg. As opposed to Ford's 13 or 14 mpg. That would be considered "low teens"
You got me with my guard down.
Dave40,
How do I find that article? When I went to the site I couldn't find it. Hmmm,just typical Chevy propaganda?? By the way, my two 95 Chevys are on the block and we are searching for HD replacements. We might check some cummins out along with the Fords. I doubt that the Chevy dealer will have much but we'll hit them as well. I'll keep all of you updated as progess develops.
First volly:Since the truck is made in Indiana--does anyone consider it an "american" truck? Or do the big 3 fans see Toyota stepping on sacred ground?
I just don't consider anything but the big 3 to be a real truck, but I truly invite Japan to keep trying. It can only help improve the market.
Mike F
July sales figures will be out in a couple of days - so let's see if the Tundra maintains its strong showing from June.
kcram
Community Leader/Smart Shopper Conference
Seriously, I'm sure that the Tundra is a fine truck, although I've never understood how Toyota ever got a reputation for making "tough" trucks. Their small trucks are wimps...and their head gaskets all blow. I am curious how Toy's small truck sales hold up ... or will the primary buyers be those that WOULD HAVE bought a small Toyota anyway.
We deciced to take his 1999 4x4 ext.cab. Silverado and leave my 1999 F150 4x4 ext.cab. in the garage. My friends truck sported the 4.8l while mine has the 5.4l. Engine wise,this may not be a fair comparison, but both trucks are otherwise similar. Being a Ford man it was hard to be objective but I was going to try.
My wife and I sat in back on the way up, and we both agreed that the back seemed a little bit bigger than my 150, but not enough to notice after a 100 miles. I could not actually feel that much of a size difference between the two trucks.
Not having the fourth door was defineately a minus. Every time we stopped I was reaching for that fourth door and grabing air. I never thought the fourth door was that big of a deal until you go without it.
The trip did not start out very well. On the way up his battery and clock died. Also, instruments lights would sometimes work and somtimes not. And also, his air quit working. We limped to a near by town and got the battery situation resolved and continued on our trip.
The engine seemed adequate. The truck smoothly handled various acccelerations. I wish we were hauling a trailer so I could really see what it was made of. The ride quality wasn't bad but I did not think it rode as nice as my 150. And it seems like your [non-permissible content removed] is draging the ground in this truck compared to my 150. However, I have the Off Road package and he does not. Not a fair comparison.
There also seemed to be a lot of air noise around the third door area. Which was a little anoying if you were in back. But as far as inside ergonomics the Chevy equaled or surpassed the Ford. I do like were Ford places the cruise control on the steering wheel vs. GM. on the turn signal. The turn signal seemed too clutterd.
There also seemed to be a lot more plastic in this truck than mine. Maybe I am wrong ! However the seat belt location was more convient than my 150.
I feel that this truck is about par for a first year production. For right now, until GM gets a chance to make improvements, I think my 150 is a better overall truck.
Dave40,
BTW, those two half-tons are bowties that were nothing but a hole in our books. I think I'll look toward Dodge or Ford this time.
Roc
it sounds like you have an intake gasket leak, or valve seal leak. Something really simple that costs a lot in labor, they don't want to pay for.
There's a thought eh?
May I ask how much?
Second, you shouldn have demoed the Dodge. You would be running and screaming to the Chevy dealer instead of wondering.
one of your local dealers will give you some or
all of the $1000 cash apparently being offered by
Ford to dealers until end of month. One of my
local fleet dealers is selling his '99s at invoice
less the full $1000.
Are there any respondents that actually have their bed full more than empty. I would imagine that a lot of you just drive your trucks as cars. Am I completely wrong or am I in the ball park?
It's not true, but it would make a nice IBM commercial.
A lot of the sites for these talks seem to reflect alot of guys blowing time sitting at their desk at work talking about their daily driver and week-end hauler. This might not be the best representation for deciding which is the best truck. I would like to see a bunch of construction workers fight over the best truck. they would seem to have the best info on the big three.
I ordered my '00 3/4 ton ext. cab SILVERADO (let it be here soon!!!!) for the purpose of hauling concrete, lumber, building materials (we are building a home in N. Wisc.) and towing: boat, concrete mixer, front end loader, etc., and 4x4 back road trailing (northern wisc. has hundreds of miles of backroads), etc.. etc.. etc..
The point of the debate, in my opinion, is what us "Chevy Lovers" are saying is:
THE SILVERADO IS THE ALL-AROUND TRUCK FOR EVERYTHING YOU COULD EVER WANT IN A TRUCK:
HAULING, TOWING, COMFORT, CONVENIENCE, STYLE, TOUGHNESS, WORK, PLAY, ETC.. I COULD GO ON...
No, we are not yuppies. The best truck is best for all situations, the HD Ford is NOT. It needs to be loaded before it feels sturdy/stable on the road. We're not talking 1/2 ton's here. (The Silverado 1500 blows away Ford's sissy F150). You are right to some extent. But you cannot claim "best" for dodge and ford, otherwise you are all "opinion". My husband is a construction worker. He wants this truck to last. We all know that Chevy's will.
That is my 3 cents. Cindy
i don't think Chevy's are the only truck bought for personal uses. I have MANY friends with F350 powerstrokes and a one or two with dodge duallies, and heaviest thing they haul in it is the babyseat and groceries...
as far as the construction sites, here in Texas, I only see Chevy and Ford in the fleets. BUT, i've noticed that a lot of your independent contractors (welders, hotshot services, etc.) are buying Dodge one ton with Cummins.
f220swift,
remember all the rambling i've done at you about how the wider torque curve of the Chevy will pull a load better? check out the Truck Trend web article about Dodge vs Chevy vs Ford. with a full load, the Chevy outpulled the others, in which they cited the same reasons I did in my responses to you (under load and/or acceleration, the GM is just getting into its powerband when the Ford and Dodge come out of theirs fairly quickly.)
nonetheless, I don't think of your 5.4 as "sissy". Ford has given nice power to that engine. if they could just give it mileage, too....
You even agreed with me that you have a sissy 5.4.
OK, your truck is not a sissy truck, geez, you Ford people are sensitive.
LOL (Uh oh, I'm going to get it now).
Cindy :-o
(We're still friends, aren't we??)
Does my name ring a bell around this conference or not??????
I've been here for two years screaming about trucks used in construction. Hmmm, seems to me I own a roofing firm with over 30 trucks currently and I have made some input here and there. Funny, I started the construction truck topic and we ended up talking about beer and hunting because no one would enter. I assume since I haven't seen you two there that you are non-users as well.
Cindy, What does your husband do? I know construction guys, I am a construction guy and here we generally favor Ford. Sissy F-150s? Why? Because it doesn't have the poser look of the Ram or boredom all over it like the Chevy?
trucklover,
Most people at this site don't care what guys like me have to say. I tell them of my expierences of all three and they'll refute with paper statistics without real-world testing. Just look around here as an example of people asking questions like: "Oh yeah, we'll be building a house and also tow our monster boat up and down gigantic mountains and we don't want a sissy looking truck." Sure. Read between the lines. They are actually saying:"We might put a 40lb bag of top soil in the back every month and tow our 12ft fishing boat in flat Florida and we want a truck that looks good to our neighbors."
How do I compete with that?
Good luck on getting responses from guys like me.
There doesn't seem to be anything plain about you.
Thanks Rocles. I do remember seeing your entries. I was hoping for more like you but I guess it's a lost cause. I think wildmanbaker may be a construction guy.
And no, we're not carrying "40lb bag of top soil in the back every month and tow our 12ft fishing boat in flat Florida and we want a truck that looks good to our neighbors." I do understand what you mean about the typical yupster who is trying to drive a pick up truck for trips to the office and groceries. Like I said, no yuppie here.
Hubbie is electrician- current project- industrial plant. I admit that isn't a factor in the choice for work trucks, even though he works with heavywall and high voltage, he does not utilize his truck for work, he just shows up with a bucket of tools. (AH HA, you say), but that wasn't my point. I guess I stepped on a few toes here, so I will just 'read' for awhile.
My point being, as I said before, FORD is an ideal truck for the 'tough' construction guy. I also said quality, now didn't I? If you men will read it again, I said, it was my OPINION, that the best truck, is best for ALL situations. Do, read between the lines.
So, dude, Ford WINS, in the construction truck debate. Happy?
;-) Cindy
Eric USAF
Well, I thought you were coming here to start a good lively debate but alas.....
Electrician? Good line of work but you're right-not a profession that utilizes trucks to the abuse category. BTW, don't most of those guys drive vans? LOL!
Oh, I'm just trying to get you started again.
Sorry if I sounded to "construction" for you about the comparisons to average truck drivers. I think you got my frustration.
rocles: yeah, I think most electricians DO drive vans, LOL, I did find that particularly funny.
Eric16: If you are USAF, you fly a lot bigger planes than I do.
I'm sorry, I have to agree with NOCARTERS, the Fords do look like alien ships. Are you Ford guys really aliens disguising yourselfs as construction workers? ;-P
Cindy