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What kind of milage is the 2.4L Ecotec supposed to get?
No, Ford is ahead of Chevy in cars. The Focus is pretty popular as a first car, or a fun car to zip around in and it gets good gas mileage. The younger generation in my college city own a lot of VW Jettas and Mustangs. The V6 Mustang has always been popular with all ages. You now have 210HP V6 Mustang selling for less than the Cobalt Super Charged. The Cobalt in front wheel drive. So what exactly do you mean from the quote above about fake? While Cobalt is a good little econo car for $14K, it is less a value in the high end. If people want smaller high end, they will just buy the Acura. The Mustang V8 GT is very popular for those that want an even more macho sound, more power ( more than needed ) and the image of the GT status. As for the Corvette, that is a great high end car, and score a point for GM, as does the Caddy CTS, which in a way is interesting. Most of the GM stuff is not particularly remarkable in any way. It is just there.
Loren
i go back and forth from maine to vermont all the time and i dont remember the last time i saw a focus. person i think they are ugly cars as do many of my friends. im sure there are many ppl out there that liek them but i do not think they are as popular as cavaliers and soon to be cobalts. the cobalt just hasnt been out long enough..and the SS still isnt out. which i feel has hurt chevy because i was planning on gettin one but they waited so long i have gotten introduced to the new civic that will be out later this yr suposively..thats a diff. topic though. ya v6 stangs may be a little cheaper then a cobalt but look at gas milage too. and the cobalt is only a 4cyl and it only has what..like 50 less hp. ford doesnt seem to have one big sports car.. and if they did it would be the v8 stang. but since there is so many stangs riding aorund your like, oh wow another stang.. but whenever one sees a vette there like man look at that thing. its so sweet. other then the mustang and the focus, what other ford car appeals to the younger generation? Chevy has made the Monte Carlo sporty to fit the younger gen even though i dont like them i see alot of them around. Chevy has the Impala SS,which is kinda a family car but at least it would be cooler to ride around in then a taurus. even though the Aveo or whatver is ugly to me im sure it will become a popular car, more so then a escort. i think ford needs to redisign there cars or come out with new models to attract ppl.
Loren
Thanks!
Loren
I just don't understand why Chevy can't be better looking. The current, nearly-new Malibu is a yawn, too.
Where's the style with these people?
I was raised on GM iron and can't wait to own another 1970 Chevelle, but I'm tired of waiting for this company to get it. When the Malibu came out, we heard, "just watch, this is the new GM" and now we're haring that about the Cobalt because it's years ahead of the Malibu. Where are the hybrids? The mid-size 4 cyl sedan? AWD?
When are they going to get with it and put out world class mass market cars and most importantly, get it right the first time????
:shades: Loren
Loren
Anyways, i most likely will not buy a Cobalt because i have a celica that i have done up just a little to make the hp move up from 140 to 150ish.( I have the GT model) My celica is an 02 with about 80K. This Celica will prob. outlast a new cobalt. it will def. get better gas milage. Even though it has alot less hp then the cobalt ss i bet it would hold its own. It is a very fast little car.
All i was trying to get across was that I think Chevy has made an imporvement adding a 2.0L SS Supercharged that can be compared to these japanese car, because the cavy sure wasnt.(even though i loved my cavy) it just wasnt close to the competition..not even the Z24 was considered close to the foreign cars.
They have to slap a blower on the 3.8 to squeeze 240 hp out of it. How come the imports can get more power out a smaller, naturally aspirated engines? The overpriced, overweight and underpowered Impala and Monte Carlo SSs only serve to devalue to SS badge. I mean, who is going to drop $32k for that Impala SS? That's a pretty lofty altitude where there are some pretty impressive options.
This is a correct statement if we are talking a year ago.
This time, GM has a new 3.9L OHV VVT V6 with 240hp and 245 lb-ft of torque, and it is naturally aspirated. It will be in the Malibu and Malibu Maxx SS (along with some pontiac :P)
Also, the new Impala and Monte Carlo will have a new 3.5L VVT V6 with 210hp, the 240hp 3.9L V6, and the SS versions will have a 5.3L 303hp DoD V8 engine. Naturally aspirated.
SS performance is comming back, just not like it was in the 60's and not like the German wanna-be American Dimler Crysler is doing wiht those Hemis.
GM also had in europe a car/minivanish opel with GM's 2.4L Ecotec VVT with Direct injection and turbo that made 250hp. If GM could scramlbe the resources to put that into the Cobalt SS then it really will be something. At least just turbo the 2.4L, it should be at least 240hp.
This is not lofty attitude. We just have to see what the prices will be like. I agree 32K for an impala SS is too much. No Nav, No Xenon, and no RWD... sorry, this is a 28K car at most. The engine will make it go, though. Just not for 32K.
GM doesn't warrant praise for finally catching up with the competition after years of neglect.
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The way it was packed came to over 15,000 sticker.It had an automatic and power locks. The car looked great in sandstone metallic.. However, I would never buy that color in base form, because the neutral base fabric is way too light colored for me. I think the only way the base car would work for me is with no options with manual trans and darker interior. It was a sedan and the view out of the car was great. I think the front seat height may have been maxxed out because the hand crank was under pressure. I got into the back seat with the front back quite a bit and I fit pretty well my size12.5 feet brushed against the seat back getting in but there was good foot room under seat . Head room seemed fine. Looking to get a car with options I would probably go with the LS. The hand crank windows were pretty firm to crank, but that and regular door locks I could live with. The base dash was a little bland, but it is the base model. the wheel covers looked fine to me and the conti touring tires should get the job done.. If you need a cheap ,safe car and don''t need options, the base sedan could work.
Great review. I wonder if that rear spoiler can be deleted? "
Well, the spoiler may add a little fun look to the coupe. What they need to lose is the FWD, the electric assist steering, and throttle-by-wire, if it has that too. It is nice little coupe, but nothing worth close to $20K. Heck, you could get a Mustang or something around that price range. Or if you are talking GM, say a G6. For handling, in a FWD car, Acura or a Celica would be more agile.
Not knocking those cars, but the Cobalt SS may end up being top of the FWD heap.
GM does NOT need to make all its cars the same again. It tried that more than once. Didn't work then, won't work now. A Cobalt is NOT supposed to be a G6. A G6 is supposed to be a G6. Why is a question for another board and time!
Motor Trend Feb 2005
"The Cobalt SS is the fastest regular production front-drive car through the slalom we've tested in three years, rocking through the cones even faster than the new Corvette Z51. The SS out cornered the VW R32 on the skidpad, outgunned the Mini Cooper S 0-to-60 mph, and outstopped the Subaru Impereza WRX 60-to-0 mph."
"lose is the FWD"
The Cobalt is on a FWD platform. It would be nice if GM had a small RWD sedan, but the Delta platform is strictly FWD.
Loren
"It may out slalom and Acura, Celica, or Mini Cooper in their test, but I seriously doubt that a Cobalt is in the same class for handling"
What determines handling? If not the slalom and skidpad, then what?
"Adding SS versions to economy cars has never proven to be a good formula for the consumer down the road"
Are you saying just for Chevy or is this a general statement?
Loren
As for resale, only time will tell with the SS. The Focus SVT had (has) fairly strong resale. The old style Honda Civic SI holds its value exceptionally well.
I am very impressed with this car. Fit and finish and appeal are comparable to the current Volkswagen Golf, long acknowledged as a leader in the "premium compact" field. The difference is, there are a jillion Chevy dealers; you have greater flexibility in optioning a car; and there is a sporty (within the limits implied by a car in this category) 2 door coupe.
Particularly appealing is the Base model, which doesn't feel cheap although of course it lacks the three big "P's" (power windows, doors, and locks). I think a Base model with side curtain air bags, ABS, and cruise, which has an MSRP $15,890 with a standard transmission would make a safe commuter car even Consumer Reports would like. Even without the three upgrades (side air bags, ABS and cruise) the Cobalt is a big step up from current small cars due to its strong body integrity (view the www.iihs.org side impact crash tests). The LS model dosn't add much in interior or exterior visual appeal over the Base model, but comes with more creature comforts; the LT with its chrome touches looks sharp. Overall, I like the styling, and think it will have "legs." It is cleaner looking than a Corolla or Mazda3, but seems to have a family resemblance. Definitely it is contemporary, and I don't think it will age like the novel Mazda3.
I had a 2004 Cavalier for 6,000 or so miles and found the Ecotec DOHC 2.2 liter engine which is also in the Cobalt to be great, far surpassing anything available in any other small car except the 2.3 in some models of Focus (I had an early PZEV version in a 2003 Focus) for horsepower, and being near the top of the pack in fuel efficiency (I got a consistent 30 mpg with stick shift).
When I have time to test drive a Cobalt, I look forward to finding out how it handles (magazines give it good marks) and how quiet it is. If I were in the market for a small car, this would be the one I would start with - I had 3 Focii and although they drove well, had niggling quality control issues. Also, until this year, purchasers of 4 door Focii (as opposed to the ZX3) were getting stuck with a pretty pathetic 2.0 liter SOHC (the ZX3's always had the Zetec's with 15 more horsepower). Recent runs of Cavaliers and all Cobalts (since it is new) have the very impressive Ecotoec.
Any mileage reports from the Cobalt owners out there?
Finally, I note that according to the specs on the chevrolet.com website, the Coupe weights 200-300 pounds or so less than the sedan.
My opinion is, a redesign of the body style to bring it up to date is great. If a model works for the auto maker, why get rid of it.
Second, when you've got one of the best selling car in the US, I can see how you might be hesitant to spend the money on something new. Believe it or not, there are a LOT of happy Cavalier owners.
Keep in mind that after cutting production, one of the most popular methods of regaining lost funds is cost-cutting within production.
Meade