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http://www.freep.com/money/autoreviews/phelan9e_20041209.htm
FYI, Audi is licensing OnStar from the General for its next generation cars.
I will start by saying that Hertz has rented me Toyota Camrys before, and I never had a problem. I had higher expectations for the ES330, and we came away disapointed. The ES330 seat cushion is too short to provide adequate thigh support. I supposed I could replace the seats with Recaros, but why should we have to? The five speed automatic is hesitant to downshift in city driving. I ended up moving the lever to "3" and "4" in city driving, and did not shift into "5" until we were on the freeway. There is not much headroom with the standard sunroof. According to Edmunds, the ES330 has much better resale than the Regal.
The RX330 had the same seating and transmission problems, and it also had wind noise. We believe it is coming from the luggage rack. I am not sure if a RX330 could be delivered without the luggage rack.
As Edmunds says in their recent roadtest, the LaCrosse four speed automatic is much smoother than the Lexus five speed. The seats offer much more thigh support. In fairess to Lexus, it is possible that the Lexus leather is of a higher quality that the Buick leather. Perhaps Bob Lutz can offer a "Coach" option next year. Both the ES330 and LaCrosse are very quiet cars.
After the three roadtests, we decided to purchase a new LaCrosse. I will get into the details in my next post.
PY1 16' Chrome-Tek wheels
JL9 Antilock brakes
AY1 Head curtain airbags
R13 Chrome package
KA1 Heated seats
The invoice total including the five options is $25,833. Deducting the $1,000 rebate brings the price down to $24,833. I was able to negotiate a price of $24,900 which is $67 over invoice. I also agreed to pay their $95 documentation fee.
Edmunds says my 1998 Regal LS with 100K miles is worth $2,800 trade in. I was able to negotiate a $3,250 trade in. I ordered the car, and it is supposed to arrive in six to eight weeks.
Where indeed has the sound system been critically reviewed?
YECH!
I had a Maxima that had a Bose system.
No highs, no lows, it must be Bose.
One maxim that is very close to the truth!
Perhaps this town hall should move on to other more important items in the decision-making process and in-use experiences with the LaCrosse/Allure and its contenders.
Why not check with the SERVICE people? They are far more knowledgeable and have access to the service manuals...
There is no way the Lacrosse is going to be better than the ES330 when a loaded ES330 cost around $40K. Regardless of what Lutz said the Lacrosse isnt going to be a direct competitor for the ES330 for most buyers. What he was trying to say is that the Lacrosse wuld deliver ride and quiet in way you would expect an ES330 to deliver for less money. I have seen no other reviews stating this car was not quiet as advertised. Considering how mist reviewers are quick to point out flaws in GM products I think this car must be pretty quiet.
the arguments for buying a camry V6 xle over a es330 are pretty much the same as it is for the buick lacrosse.
i don't see much cross shopping between high end camrys/accords/passats and those offerings from GM's so called lower divisions.
That all being said, my 00 Impala LS was replaced by a Ford Five Hundred. Yes, I looked at a LaCrosse. Then I saw the value and the superior size, interior and trunk of the Five Hundred, not to mention AWD. And, lastly, I had just had enough of Mr. Lutz's decontenting...
I like the CXS version of this vehicle, but in more basic trim, I really question the value equation. $23,500 to start and no ABS even? Seriously? And when you look at a loaded CXS at $34,000.... I would certainly favor a basic TL at that price.
~alpha
alpha : I think the Base CXS offers the best value. Loading it up does not make any sense to me either. The base CXS has all most people would want anyway.
Why wasnt the new LaCrosse ready to replace the 04 Regals when production ended on them?This reminds me of the huge gap between the 96 Regals and the 97.5 Regals.
Our local dealer never did like Regals so he probably wont get very many LaCrosses in.He thinks the Century and LeSabre is all there is.One of these days we will probably want to replace our 00 Regal LS but wont go to him.
If I squint my eyes a bit, they look just like my 2000 Taurus, but with Jag inspired headlights, and my Taurus is dark green.
Most cars in the lower luxury class dont compare well with the Tl in terms of features. that is most likely why the TL has been such a success. If you get a TL you will have lots of torque steer and no fold down backseat. There is not much reason not to get a TL, especially if you are basing your decision on value. The TL is a better value than the 3 series, C class, CTS and many other cars, not just the Lacrosse.
I really like the TL but would never get one because I do not fit comfortable with the standard sunroof.
I like the LaCrosse as well - just not for my needs. At this point in my life I require something more sporty and it has to have a manual transmission.
it would be nice if it got the rl's SH-AWD.
well anyway, it looks like the lacrosse is aimed more at the es300 end of the spectrum with its softer ride.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A8214-2004Dec17.htm- l
Subtly Sexy, Satisfyingly Solid
With respect to the TL, its an excellent value, but as someone pointed out, theres more to a purchase than value. For me, if it were between any of the cars I've mentioned in this post, itd be the TL HANDS DOWN. FWIW, I havent heard of any torque steer issues with the TL 5speed auto.
~alpha