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  • robw64robw64 Member Posts: 76
    I dropped off my '06 DTS at the second dealership yesterday morning.

    The good news is: this service advisor rode with me and felt the shuddering at highway speeds, then he asked if he could drive the vehicle back to the dealership. He was able to re-create the issue when he was driving, also.

    The bad news is: he called later in the day to advise that they really do not know what is causing the issue. They have another advisor coming in to check out the suspension on Friday.

    Although it is a good thing that I now have documentation from a Cadillac dealership that something is wrong, it's still frustrating to have the vehicle "out of commission" for so much time.

    The rental vehicle this time is an '08 CTS, base edition, black with grey interior. It's an extremely nice car, with much more room inside than I expected (I'm 6'5", and without a sunroof I have plenty of room). The handling and suspension, of course, are quite different from the ride of a DTS, but it's really a nice looking/driving car.
  • sls002sls002 Member Posts: 2,788
    This is progress, and at least this Cadillac dealer's service department is not saying there is no problem. My guess is that something has gone out of balance in the transmission or engine, or the engine/transaxle mounts are failing. In any case this is an unusual problem and will probably require some time to sort out.
  • robw64robw64 Member Posts: 76
    Well, the dealership called to tell me their transmission specialist can find nothing wrong and their suspension specialist can find nothing wrong. Their solution is it must be the tires because the Pirelli side wall ratings are too stiff for this class of vehicle. I (again) calmly explained that this is the third set of tires and the problem has been there through all them, so I don't buy this resolution at all. The service advisor told me the only tires that are acceptable for a DTS are high-quality Michelins. When I asked him to help me understand why the DTS comes standard with Continentals he was speechless (literally).

    Cadillac corporate called later to advise me they had spoken with the dealership and are closing the case. Because I changed the tires, I have caused the problem with the vehicle. I pointed out to the (very polite & courteous) Cadillac rep that there are so many inconsistencies in the diagnoses that this simply makes no sense. Their final resolution is to close the case with "Customer Dissatisfied" as the bottom line.

    I'm stumped. I'm trying to not become too emotional, but I think I've hit a brick wall and have no option but to get rid of this car.
  • dispencer2dispencer2 Member Posts: 299
    You can buy a lot of tires for the $25,000 you will lose if you trade in this car. Obviously the tires will not cause any other suspension part to be damaged so why not simply buy another four original equipment Continental tires? Perhaps the tire place still has the ones they replaced and are selling them as used tires. In any event it shouldn't cost more than three or four hundred dollars and then you might take it back to the second dealer and see if they can feel the vibration. My guess though is that the dealership has no idea why the vibration is occurring. If the dealership feels the vibration then you can invoke the lemon law. I hate to see you lose a fortune in depreciation. Another option is to take the car -as is - to someplace that specializes in suspension work -perhaps someone who rebuilds race or specialty cars -and see what they say.
  • bremertongbremertong Member Posts: 436
    Keep fighting the closing of the file, I think you need to move up the management chain. Get the name of the Cadillac corporate service department manager and write to this person. I like the idea of spending the four hundred or so dollars and putting the original brand and size of tires on the car. It is very disappointing to me that Cadillac corporate would treat its' owners as you have been treated according to your reports. Keep us posted, and suggest you get the Lemon law papers for your state as just trading the car will result in a very large loss from depreciation. I think the
    Attorney Generals office of most states have a consumer division that deals with Lemon law issues. Best wishes and keep us posted so we can give moral support and additional suggestions.
  • sls002sls002 Member Posts: 2,788
    I think now is the time to move forward with the lemon law resolution of the problem. I am not sure what the lemon law does for you, but it should require the manufacturer to buy back the car with a minimum of depreciation to you. Getting this resolved will take time. Something has to be unbalanced somewhere to cause a vibration, or there is something wrong in the drivetrain somewhere. I think that this second dealer's service advisor does agree that there is a vibration.
  • dispencer2dispencer2 Member Posts: 299
    You are absolutely right -I hope he keeps us posted.
  • robw64robw64 Member Posts: 76
    I took the car back to the tire store where I purchased the Pirelli's. I explained what the dealer had told me. They had no problem evaluating the tires for me.....they have a 30-day return/replace guarantee, so it is no big deal to them if something is wrong.

    The tire store inspected, re-mounted, rotated, and balanced the tires. They found nothing wrong with the tires at all. I drove right from the tire store to the highway....the vibration is exactly at the same point on the speedometer. No change whatsoever. If this was a tire issue, wouldn't a rotate & balance change the nature of the vibration at least a little?
  • sls002sls002 Member Posts: 2,788
    someone suggested that you have the tires/wheels Road Force Balanced, which is done with a particular type of tire balancing machine. I would think that this was done if the tire dealer has good state of the art equipment. It is possible that the brake rotors are out of balance, which may cause some problem.

    If the vibration is noticable at a certain speed, then the problem is not likely in the transmission (like the torque convertor), as the vibration would show up at different speeds in lower gears.

    goggle "Road Force Balance" to learn more
  • dispencer2dispencer2 Member Posts: 299
    Are you sure that one tire is not out of round? They can check this without removing the wheel. In any case you felt the vibration with the Pirellis as well as with the Continentals so chances are it is the car and not the tires. I wouldn't let Cadillac close out the case. This is a $50,000 car and it has a bumper to bumper warranty. I'd keep pushing this up the line at Cadillac or start the lemon law rolling. Do you have any friends who are attorneys? Sometimes just a letter from an attorney works wonders. Lawsuits are bad publicity.
  • jasper60103jasper60103 Member Posts: 22
    I've been silently following this thread. I agree with the above posters. Get going on the lemon law. Not sure if GM-Cadillac can still make a stink over the tires though. Seems they're using that as an excuse. You may have to put back on the factory tires.
  • sls002sls002 Member Posts: 2,788
    I think that it should be up to "Cadillac" (either the factory or dealer) to replace the tires if they think that will fix the problem. The original equipment tires were on the car when the problem started.

    Assuming that the tire dealer who has balanced the Pirelli's did dynamic balancing on the tires/wheels, then the problem is most likely the brake rotors being out of balance.

    I think that I would proceed by talking with the salesperson who sold me the car, explaining what has taken place, and then making it clear that the car is not acceptable, possibly dangerous (since no one knows why there is a vibration), that I want a full refund of my money. Then let the dealer propose a solution.
  • vic10vic10 Member Posts: 188
    Since you've pretty much ruled out the tires, have you considered the wheels they're mounted on? Ever had anyone follow you when you were feeling the vibration to see if the alignment looks funny or if the wheels are "wobbling"? Many years ago I had a vibration issue with Firestones that were repeatedly rebalance and shaved to cure out of round. But the problem was the tires were wobbling side to side--only discovered when a friend followed me on the freeway.
  • jasper60103jasper60103 Member Posts: 22
    I think that it should be up to "Cadillac" (either the factory or dealer) to replace the tires if they think that will fix the problem. The original equipment tires were on the car when the problem started.

    I agree the Pirelli tires don't seem to be the problem, but appearantly Cadillac is using this as an excuse not to do anything.
    I think the lemon law is the way to go.
  • marsha7marsha7 Member Posts: 3,703
    if there really is a tire/rotor balance problem...there are still some shops that can high speed balance the tires while the wheel is mounted on the rotor...that way, the rotor, wheel and tire are all balanced simulataneously as one unit, with the weights onviously mounted to the wheels, but it takes into account an out of balance rotor...

    Might give that a try simply to rule out a "simple" balance problem that will not show up with conventional methods...
  • dispencer2dispencer2 Member Posts: 299
    So what is the latest on the vibration. This is pretty far out but you have some sort of seat messaging in that car. I wonder if it turns on and creates the impression of a vibration. Probably not but I thought I'd ask. I don't have it in mine but will when I get a 2007 Lux II next March. I guess you have gone as far as you can with Cadillac corporate.
  • gbosleygbosley Member Posts: 20
    well after reading the issues on dts , and looking at this seems like g m not wanting to resolved this man trouble i think i been sent a omin ,i order a dts performance package 2 months ago , and it still sitting in the computer waiting on seats, so i think i will call the dealer and cancel my order ,i had a terriable experience with AUDI usa thought i go to g m thinking if there a issue they would step up, looks like they won't for a bad vibration just can't chance it
  • sls002sls002 Member Posts: 2,788
    All "we" really know is that robw64 finds the vibration objectionable. Since no-one seems able to pin down the source of the vibration, I think that it is a minor vibration problem. It is possible that there is a resonance at some speed with the tires and suspension that amplifies bumps in the road rather than smoothing them out.

    Looking back throught robw64's posts, the vibration seems to have developed over a period of time, and has become objectionable more recently. Perhaps the shocks are wearing to a point where they are not working quite right? If you look through the CTS forum, the owners there complain about vibration too, so this problem is not just DTS.
  • kpsmkpsm Member Posts: 12
    I love my DTS Performance model, and have found it to be the most trouble free car I've ever owned. I'm up to 11,000 miles now, and have only had oil changes and the tires rotated. My car has every available option, with the exception of the adaptive cruise control which I do not want.

    The magnetic suspension gives a noticeably pleasant ride, and my passengers typically comment on what a great riding car it is.

    I have not sensed any kind of vibration at any speed. If I'm not using the cruise control on the interstate, it's very easy to suddenly find myself moving along at 85 to 95 miles per hour, or higher.

    Would I go for another performance model? Without a second thought...
  • dispencer2dispencer2 Member Posts: 299
    This is a relatively new car and I believe that it has struts, not shocks. These are covered under warranty and should last well beyond 50,000 miles. If I was Robw64 and was faced with losing $25,000 by an early trade of this car I would contact some company that specializes in performance vehicle suspensions and pay them to troubleshoot the vehicle. There are plenty of these people who advertise is Hemmings or they can be searched out on the Internet. I don't know where Robw64 lives but California is full of them. It is either that or invoke the Lemon Law. I don't see a lot more options. He could change tires till doomsday and it probably won't solve the problem.
  • sls002sls002 Member Posts: 2,788
    Struts still have shock absorbers. The point is "we" don't know exactly what the vibration is or how serious it is. I have not had problems with balance. My 2002 Seville was basically the same thing as the DTS, only real difference is a shorter wheelbase. My OEM tires did not go out of balance while I owned the car, more than 50,000 miles.

    One question that robw64 can think about is: is the vibration noticable in the steering wheel or not (the answer to this means the vibration is in the front suspension or the rear suspension).

    The lemon law will not automatically result in getting your money back. First you have to "prove" the car is defective, which means that some disinterested person (probably more than one) will have to back you up that the car is defective and not repairable.
  • dispencer2dispencer2 Member Posts: 299
    The car doesn't seem to be repairable based on all the times Robw64 has tried to get it repaired and failed. The steering wheel comment was good. I don't know how the Lemon Law works -it works differently in different States. I'd like an update from Robw64 as to what he has done to get the problem resolved and for those up us who have or are getting '06's and '07's his problem may turn out to be ours.
  • robw64robw64 Member Posts: 76
    Since the last post, we've tried to get rid of the car. My family (kindly) informed that this situation was making me difficult to live with and it had turned into a part-time job in itsef.

    They were right.

    We found a reasonable deal on a Lincoln MKX, but the dealer would only offer $24.1k for a trade on the Cadillac. They suggested we try appraising it at Car Max to see if a better offer could be made there. They came back with $23.5k, because 2006's are known to be troublesome (1st year of the re-design).

    So, now we're debating whether to take a huge hit on trading the vehicle or try spending another $800 or so for another set of tires. I suppose I could buy them at the Cadillac dealer and if the problem doesn't go away they would have some solid proof it's the vehicle and not the rubber.
  • bremertongbremertong Member Posts: 436
    I'm not sure it's time to give up your DTS but I own a Lincoln Town Car that is everything as good as my DTS. The Town Car has to this point been much more reliable than my DTS and really feels like a luxury car. The DTS feels more like a performance sedan. When the the DTS works as it should I like them both equally but for different reasons and features. If you do trade you might try to find a low miles pre owned Town Car, they are available at very reasonable prices in the used market. One big advantage to Town Car is it gets about 20% better fuel economy than my DTS.
  • dispencer2dispencer2 Member Posts: 299
    This is a good suggestion. Even a new Lincoln Town Car is heavily discounted. You can buy a new one for the price of a Program DTS at least around here. Robw64 could probably swap his car for a 2007 top of the line 2007 Town Car for little or no money. I haven't heard any more about the Lemon Law. Was this an option?
  • sls002sls002 Member Posts: 2,788
    I don't think that a new set of tires will make any difference. I don't know why you bought Pirelli's, which I think are more of a performance tire, but they should only ride a bit firmer. I think the problem is something not quite balanced right where the wheels mount onto the car - the hubs or more likely the brake rotors. I would think that this has been checked out by all of the service departments that have looked at this problem though.

    Since you are trading it in because of a problems that seems unfixable, and assuming the problem is obvious to anyone who drives the car ( :confuse: ), you really will have to take a hit on the trade-in value. I mean who would buy this piece of junk :sick:
  • jasper60103jasper60103 Member Posts: 22
    Yeah, its a tough decision, but I know I couldn't take that kind of hit financially.
  • bremertongbremertong Member Posts: 436
    I think the lemon laws and Cadillac by back program should be pursued before considering another car. I also think that some people just don't have the disposition to go through all the red tape of either of these programs. If I were in the same set of circumstances I would assess the cost in time, stress and related aggravation and decide whether it was worth my time based on a personal quality of life estimate. Each of us as you probably know have different ways of dealing with these issues and problems so there will never be an answer that fits all needs and preferences. Having said that I do think the Town Car would be a nice alternative to putting oneself through the lemon law or by back program. I was checking used Town Car prices and was amazed at how well these cars are holding up value wise after the initial large derpreciation hit. Part of the reason for the plateau is that Town Car for 2008 is only being produced in limited numbers at the new plant in Canada.
  • sls002sls002 Member Posts: 2,788
    If you search the Town Car forum for vibrations you will find that some owners have problems with vibrations.

    My point here is that getting some other car may solve the problem, but may not. If one test drives the next vehicle, and there is no problem, then probably you will be OK, but who knows.
  • bremertongbremertong Member Posts: 436
    I would not be concerned about vibrations and Town Car. With any kind of luck based on my experience with both vehicles you will get a more reliable vehicle in Town Car than DTS and of course if you want to go NEGATIVE I'm sure you can find some Town Cars that are lemons too. I would take with a grain of salt, any postings at this forum from non owners of the DTS as I feel some of them will only confuse issues and not clarify them. Any brand of car can have issues, in my experience Cadillac has had a mediocre record of resolving mine and YES I do own a DTS!
  • bremertongbremertong Member Posts: 436
    My EXPERIENCE with DTS versus T.C. is that my Town Car is a far more reliable vehicle than my DTS. If you read owners forums you will find that any brand of car can have vibration problems!!! The problem with Cadillac is that they don't get problems resolved as quickly or efficiently as they should, and that again from A DTS OWNER and not a lurking bystander. Cadillac has produced a more high tech car and sacrificed reliability in the process.
  • sls002sls002 Member Posts: 2,788
    In J. D. Powers most recent dependability survey, Lincoln did a bit better than Cadillac:
    http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/news/releases/pressrelease.aspx?ID=2005089

    However, the difference is not great compared to how well both are compared to the industry average. The Town Car was rated top for mid level luxury, while the Cadillac Eldorado was rated high in the premium luxury car segment.

    Bremertong's experience with one vehicle is all well and good, but a sample of one is not meaningful. Most of you with DTSs have not had a problem with vibrations, only robw64 is having this problem. Bremertong has had some problem with his electrical system, which he has had problems explaining in simple terms, I still don't know if the problem is the engine stalling or if the battery is weak :confuse: :confuse: :confuse:
  • sls002sls002 Member Posts: 2,788
    It is not Cadillac who fixes your problems, but your dealer's service department who is not working for Cadillac. Resolving problems that are intermittent, like your cruise control problem, can't be done easily, particularly if the dealer is never able to reproduce the problem. I have found my Cadillac dealer's service department to be good. This does not mean that other dealers have good service departments, and one should consider the service departments reputation before buying anything from a dealer.

    I did own a Cadillac Seville, which was for all practical purposes the same thing as the DTS - the same basic platform, which is the G-body, and my Seville was the third G-body I owned, so I do have some experience with G-bodies. I now own a Cadillac SRX, which is a different platform, but has been very reliable. I did have a dead battery one morning, but that has not repeated itself, and I think I ran the battery down playing with the power third row seat.
  • bremertongbremertong Member Posts: 436
    I have known many people who own Devilles who would not have a Seville and vice versa. The cars may be similar but THEY ARE NOT THE SAME!! Why anyone who AT ONE TIME OWNED A SIMILAR BUT NOT THE SAME MODEL of car would set them self up as an expert and have all the answers on a DTS is baffling if not amusing to me.
    If I should trade or sell my DTS in the future I will join the owners forum of the new vehicle, and not act as if to be an expert on a car that I no longer own unless I am bored and have nothing better to do with my time.
    To be fair I have found some of the information posted by the very few posters that this applies to a little helpful but a substantial amount of it
    is at the very least not helpful to me at all and in fact confuses issues and resolutions.
  • sls002sls002 Member Posts: 2,788
    The basic facts of life are that the FWD Seville and DeVille have the same engine and transmission. Most of the features are the same for both cars. The biggest difference in the two cars is the size. The Seville is a somewhat smaller car, but since the 1992 model year is not much smaller that the Deville. I have not claimed to be the all knowing expert that you seem to think that you are.
  • sls002sls002 Member Posts: 2,788
    for your information, assuming that like bremertong you don't read anything else here, there is an entire forum devoted to vibrations in the Buick Lucerne forums. The Lucerne is the same basic car as the DTS. To summarize, there is some thought that Michelin tires help minimize tire vibrations, but this has not solved everyones problems either. On the other hand, my Seville had Michelin tires and they did not cause me any balance problems.

    If you like the Lincoln MKX, it is somewhat cheaper than the DTS new, so the difference to trade may not be that bad.
  • vic10vic10 Member Posts: 188
    Forgive me but I love whitewalls and to me a Caddy isn't a Caddy without them (the exception being the CTS). As I approach the purchase of my first one: Any experience with Vogue tires? Any other whitewall options out there?
  • dispencer2dispencer2 Member Posts: 299
    I took the advice of a forum member and actually drove the two vehicles -one right after the other on the same route. I thought that the Performance would have a stiff ride like a Mercedes. It was great. It was very steady and felt similar to my old 2002 LeSabre Ltd. with the performance suspension. The Luxury II rode exactly like my 2003 base model DeVille. Blindfolded I wouldn't be able to tell any difference at all. If I was going to buy a non-Performance DTS I would simply not bother and keep my old one until a major body change. I noted that the dash is cluttered and the cockpit area feels more open in my 2003. The bottom line is that despite the hype over the "new" 2006 the cars ride and drive about the same as the 2000-2005's. No big deal. I will look for a Performance though in the spring -and will get a certified 2006 or 7.
  • bremertongbremertong Member Posts: 436
    I have never claimed to be an expert on anything much less cars. I always say the more you think you know the less you probably do. What I find interesting about your comments are that you are always ready to contradict what a person decides to do when in FACT YOU Don't OWN A DTS! You have the appearance of a shill for Cadillac in that most times when a person has problems with Cadillac or its' service you seem to take the part of Cadillac and blame the owner. And finally I want to thank you for all your advice in that when I have done THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU SO READILY ADVISE I HAVE COME OUT RIGHT A GREAT MAJORITY OF THE TIME. WHEN I HAVE GONE WITH YOUR ADVISE I HAVE COME OUT ON THE WRONG END A MAJORITY OF THE TIME. SIMPLY STATED YOU GIVE KNOW IT ALL ADVICE AND I DO THE OPPOSITE AND MOVE TOWARDS RESOLUTION. None the less I really could do with out your comments and would ask politely and publicly that you not respond to any of my posts in the future.
  • sls002sls002 Member Posts: 2,788
    My, my, my :P
    The point I have been trying to get across is that your Cadillac dealer is working for themselves, not "Cadillac", and if their service department is not doing a good job, that is your dealer not "Cadillac". However, a dealer whose service department is deficient should lose their franchise.

    I did make a couple of suggestions with your old deVille's cruise control problems, one was replacing the steering wheel buttons, which did not change anything. In fact your dealer replaced the entire cruise control system so whatever the problem was, it was not the cruise control, but something else.

    The problems that you have had with your new DTS have been puzzling to me based on the description you gave for the problem. My suggestion is that when you have a problem that you describe it to your service department in simple language, and not try to seem more knowledgeable than you really are.
  • sls002sls002 Member Posts: 2,788
    I have looked through some of the other forums and Buick owners have some problems with vibrations that were related to the tires and wheels. CTS owners are having problems too. I have not had a problems with this, so I am somewhat puzzled by this. I am quite sure that most do not have a problem, so this seems to be something that is related to something not quite right with either the tires or wheels. I kind of wonder if the wheels are mounted slightly off center - that the bolts holding them on are slightly off center? If the wheels were the problem, the tech doing the spin balance should notice, but who knows?
  • robw64robw64 Member Posts: 76
    Our experience with the DTS has come to an end. The latest problems to surface really put us over the edge....we just couldn't spend any more time going back and forth to fix the vehicle.

    One of the problems: The On Star connectivity started going out. The car could no longer communicate with remote vehicle diagnostics.

    The other problem: The remote door locks started locking & unlocking all by themselves. We could be driving or even sitting in the car waiting to pick someone up and the locks would activate.

    We traded the vehicle for an MKX last night. The best trade in value we could get was $25.2k, which is slightly above a 50% loss in value from it's $49.9k MSRP when new in July, 2006. Car Max would only offer $23.5k (they stated that 2006 DTS' are known to be troublesome), and another Lincoln dealer would only offer $23.7k.

    I thank you all for your insight, support, and assistance while we had the DTS......your feedback helped me get through the headache of owning a vehicle with problems.
  • sls002sls002 Member Posts: 2,788
    I hope that the MKX proves to be less troublesome. Chances are good that it will, but...

    I would think that in July of 2006 you would not have paid list price for the DTS. When I bought my Seville I got it for about $10,000 below list, but then I did not want to buy it, and they wanted to sell...

    Looking at trade in values, $25000 is about right, depending on options, and, considering that your car has problems that seem to be unfixable, getting more than $20,000 is probably good. Of course the Lincoln dealer may think that they can fix it :P
  • bremertongbremertong Member Posts: 436
    Sorry to learn that you had to give up on your DTS but understand your decision completely. Welcome to the family of Lincoln owners! So far I have been very satisfied with my Town Car. If I continue to have problems with my DTS I may buy a second Ford product or a Japanese car, don't know which brand or model. Hope you will post about your MKZ in the forum for owners there. Best wishes and if you have comparisons of your experience with DTS and MKZ hope you will come back and share with us at this forum.
  • dispencer2dispencer2 Member Posts: 299
    I'd really like to hear your impressions. These cars appear to be pretty different -the MKX is midsize and the DTS is lots bigger. Is there a difference in ride, handling, etc?
  • robw64robw64 Member Posts: 76
    Just to clarify: we did not buy the MKZ mid-size sedan, we purchased the MKX mid-size CUV (crossover utility vehicle).

    The MKX has less engine power (V6 versus V8), but I notice it gets to highway cruising speed very quickly and easily. Exterior sound volumes penetrating the cabin are comparable to the Cadillac.

    The volume of interior seating space seems to be quite similar, with the exception of rear seat toe room (the MKX wins on this one) and the rear seat recline feature in the MKX. It's also nice to have the sunroof, which was unavailable to me in the DTS due to lack of headroom. The driver seating position is different than in the Cadillac.....it only took a few days to get used to the elevated driving position and more reclined seat backs (the headrests are positioned in such a way that a very upright seat back would cause it to bump into the back of your head).

    The THX-certified sound system is excellent, definitely comparable to the Bose premium sound we had in the Cadillac. The in-dash navigation is very simple to operate, and can be updated by loading a new CD.

    Every auto maker has it's own "look & feel", and the Lincoln is significantly different than a Cadillac, but not in a bad way. The fit & finish is comparable, and I've only found one slightly misaligned trim piece on the steering wheel (our Cadillac had an errant strip of flashing in the chromed shifter bezel which always caught my eye).
  • dispencer2dispencer2 Member Posts: 299
    I understand that a new DTS is planned in 2010 or 11. They might combine the STS and DTS. I hope that Cadillac won't reduce the size of the DTS. If I'm going to end up with a mid-size DTS when the model change happens then I'll go with an Avalon or Lexus for sure. There are a lot of mid-sized models to choose from but there are presently very few full size cars -essentially the DTS and the Town Car. The DTS is a big seller for Cadillac and if they lose their DTS buyer base by downsizing this car it will be a big mistake. Some people including most of us on this forum enjoy a big car that one can drive all day without back strain and one that holds 4 or 5 people comfortably and all their baggage..
  • gabby10gabby10 Member Posts: 32
    I have a performance dts order , looking at the tires that coming on the car get such a bade write up on Tire Rack and another tire site , the bridgestone rated poor , i am thinking of putting on yokohama s 4 , but dealer says that change the tires could effect it so much as far as vibration and ride , s 4 have much better write up I am just looking for input if you changed especially to yokohama
  • bremertongbremertong Member Posts: 436
    I very much agree with you and in fact have put my ideas in to my car ownership with both a Town Car and DTS. The Lincoln has been my first and the DTS my third Deville. While STS is a nice car I have never been all that excited about it . There is no question that the DTS has more cutting edge technology than Town Car but they are both very nice with the Town Car the more attractive (in my opinion) of the two. The interesting thing about my Town Car is that while it is 400 pounds heavier than DTS but is about 15 % more fuel efficient than DTS. I would also be inclined to try a Toyota or other Japanese car should Cadillac do the merging of DTS & STS with the mid size result.
  • sls002sls002 Member Posts: 2,788
    What I have read here and there (various car magazines) is that the Deville(DTS) will be a RWD car. The RWD platform will probably be new, and the Lucerne will also use this platform. The platform will be similar to the Pontiac G8, but the North American production version will probably have a range of sizes so that the DTS should be a large version. I am not sure what the STS will be, but could be a shorter version of the DTS.

    While the Deville has been a long time big seller for Cadillac, the CTS now sells about as well. The DTS sales seem to be decreasing, while the new CTS is selling even better than the first generation model, which had a plasic interior. If you want really big vehicles the Buick Enclave is quite large. The Town Car will probably remain in production for a while too. Cadillac is said to be thinking about a true premium luxury model (something that might compare with the Mercedes S-class). I am not sure that Cadillac knows how to do premium luxury though, as the last true premium luxury Cadillac was the 90-series in the 1930's era. The Eldorado Brougham of the late 50's was not really a premium luxury model and failed in any case.
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