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The ECM has had three updates. The first two one month apart at the end of 2004. The last one in June of 2005 was to address the EPA concerns regarding the two other software updates that were performed for the stalling issue.
So far there has not been a TSB issued for valve tappet noise as someone erroneously stated before. It is important that people posting stick with the facts and check the information before posting. Just because they read it on a message board makes it true, right? :surprise:
Do you know why they had to replace the engine? I thought it was the "heads" that were bad.
I am back after along gap. The Verona after its initial cup of woes regarding ECM, sensors etc. ran without incident from Dec 2005 till Oct 2005. Two weeks back, the check engine light went on. I took it to the dealer and they ran the OBD-2 and found out that the 6'th cylinder had low compression. So they had a dud of an engine. The dealer took it under warantee and asked for a new engine!!. They also had to replace 2 clock springs (One broke while installation). Now I have the car back after 15 days with a new engine. This is the final straw. I seriously doubt the QC of this car. I have done 13000 miles in two years and had meticulous maintenance and yet this car has embarrassed me on numerous occasions. Last year while attending a relative's marriage, the Car refused to move on the wedding day!!. Now a new engine and many parts later, I am not sure if it will run another 2 months without incident.
I am dissapointed. For those who havent had this kind of nightmare, pray!!.
No more Suzuki's for me. :lemon:
You are not the first to have engine problems. Many have reported "head failures" also. It's a darn shame.... it's a beautiful car. They need to trash this model and start over. Something tells me thats what will happen.....
NAPA parts stores have 2004 Verona filters for the air Filter #2838 at $14.29 and a Cabin Air Filter #4906 at $23.39 and also the oil filter. I did not get the price but the part # is 7046.
There is also a STP oil filter #S2903
Veronaowner...
Has anyone else had any problems with the crusie control just shutting off.
With this type of QC I dont want to take further chances with my Car. Some of you might have good QC cars and may be running well. I have got to appreciate the dealer who helped me to his best extent.
I am done with Verona for now.
Good Luck to you guys !!!
So I am assuming the problem was never corrected on your car. I think the above story illustrates a certain point. If anyone is considering a purchased of a Verona-don't buy used. It might be like a box of chocolates---you don't know what you will be getting!
The Verona does have a lot packed in...fog lights, steering wheel audio, very roomy. But high QC is necessary to have a great car.
With just over 12,000 units sold last year, and all these problems people have, who in their RIGHT MIND would buy one of these things?
So far the total number of people with real problems here has been less than 12 since the stalling issue. In addition the NHTSA has logged ZERO complaints on the 2005 model year Verona. If there really has been 12,000 model year 2005 Veronas sold then the complaint ratio is really small indeed.
Until there is hard statistical evidence of the so-called widespread problems, it is foolish to generalize with the small amount of anecdotal evidence available so far.
The reason there are not any complaints is because there are hardly any on the road. Again, there has been 12,000 sold in the entire country. The number of complaints here is probably representative of others, since the ECM, (to site an example) was a KNOWN SOFTWARE PROBLEM, it affected almost every Verona made. Yea, I know a few have been hesitant to have the upgrade done and have not had any problems, but a software problem FROM THE FACTORY translates in to most people having problem. This is just ONE EXAMPLE. There have been two on this board who have had to have new heads and/or motors. How many other unreported (on this board) nation-wide have had this problem? These cars (Veronas) are disasters. The sooner they are replaced, the better off the public will be. Don't believe me? Get a trade in appraisal from a dealer, then you will know.
Read post 1379 again. This guy will take it in the shins on his trade. He has no confidence anymore in his car! What a shame. SHAME ON SUZUKI-GM-Daewoo!
The stalling issue was reported to and by the NHTSA which indicated that the first ones shipped had the problem. By now if there had been any major widespread problems in the 2005 model year some complaints would have been posted with NHTSA. I would expect to see at least the same number on the 2005 at this time as the 2004s had by December if there were any kind of widespread issue like the stalling issue in the 2004s.
Going by the same logic, one would have to say that every Honda Accord was junk because of the widespread transmission problems in all the complaints about the Accord. Even though in reality it was limited to the V6 models made between 1998 and 2002.
The same logic would be sufficient to say that people should stay away from the Ford Focus because of its first couple of model year problems. But it now is rated as one of the most reliable and problem free new cars available today.
A trade appraisal has nothing to do with the quality of a car but has to do with market appeal. Suzuki cars have a long history of low resale value, just like most domestic vehicles. Try trading in the venerable and reliable Ford Taurus that is one to two model years old.
I must agree with the last two posts regarding the [ Suzuki Verona - Chevy Epica ] I have had my 04 Epica since April 04 apart for a change in the computer chip, I can say the car has performed flawlessly.
I do alot of city and mountain driving in my area and find it with no faults.
I have a friend who has a 04 Nissan Altima and he has had in the shop on numorus occasions for one thing or other.
The Verona must be perfoming, for we haven't had many complainers just resantly.
Merry Christmas = To everyone and happy Motoring.
BTW, GTS, the mileage does improve as the car gets more miles on it, be patient.
Ken
Veronaowner
I think the insurance companys should give you a new car when there customers cream your new car but they won't!
That is why this might be the last new car I buy. I must of got a good one in 2004 I still like the ride and the interior was thinking of trading until I climbed into the new impala and seen the cheap plastic interior on that car
and new my ex was better. The car is smooth and the heating and air is great. hope you all have a nice new year.
I said they should of dumped this trouble probe powertrain a long time ago. The motor they now have, all though sophisticated, can't be managed by the ECM.
Therefore, I decided to give it one more try with an 05 Verona. I do not have any regrets about my purchase. I loved my 04 and I'm sure I'll love my 05 just as much if not more. Happy motoring!
When you look at the number of other cars sold- Camry, Ford 500, Chevrolet Malibu, etc and the number of problems they have, the Verona has had more than it's share based on the volume sold.
The Verona has been a very slow selling car with less than 12,000 units sold in '04. To have internal problems and turn-around and buy another one to me is being very optimistic-at best!
The evaporative system leaks usually just take one days worth of searching to find if they are not the common areas.
You didn't by chance just fill up with gas?
The problems included erratic outside temp reading, erratic fuel gauge readings, broken window regulator, replaced interior door panel, replaced two leather seat covers. A CD player going to the beginning of the track if the car was shut off (made books on CD a real joy!). A transmission that surged between 50 and 60 miles per hour, particularly when coming off of throttle. The climate control that seemed to only work the air conditioning (for heat you had to set the temp to 85 degrees). Steering wheel radio controls that would intermittently "Mute" the radio. Even after reflashing, numerous CELs that kept coming back and service never explained. And I could go on.
The last service visit was the final straw. After having the car for over two weeks, service informed me they had replaced the cats, the spark plugs were oil soaked, and they found oil in the throttle body. Of course, no explanation. I get into the car and the brake pedal goes almost to the floor and solenoid that releases the gear shift lever is making a thumping noise as the foot brake is applied. Left the car in service and traded for a Subaru Legacy GT.
Sadly, the Verona was a great idea, but poorly executed and supported. Best to all those that got good ones.
BTW, my local Suzuki dealer also sells Subaru's and I was admiring one yesterday...they seemed a little pricy...over $37K? Didn't examine too closely.
Good luck with your new Legacy, let us know how you like it.
My second attempt at Verona ownership has also turned sour. While on a flat stretch of highway, my cruise ran away from me, climbing ten miles an hour before I finally shut it down by tapping the brakes. This happened a few days after my fuel filler door release broke.
See post 1407. It's his second Verona.......and he is having problems already. He just bought this car. It can't have very many miles on it.
~alpha
Question, what is the difference between the AUTO climate control setting and MANUAL (or AUTO off)? With the temp set in either mode, doesn't the system work to match the set temp? The manual doesn't seem to explain this very well.
What happens with AUTO off? If AUTO is off, and I adjust the temp to a particular setting, what happens?
Thanks in advance for your response!