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I am located on the east coast. I don't think my salesperson was very knowledgeable, the dealer had only sold 5 verona's before mine. I also went in on the 26th and the dealership was empty save this one salesperson. I had pre-researched the vehicle through this message board and others and found that i could get the most for my money here. I really love it. Actually drove it at night for the first time last night. Love the luminescent? dash.
I contacted suzuki customer service regarding the power fold away mirrors and interior lights, but they weren't much help. they speculated that maybe the power fold away mirrors are available in other countries. she was not sure though. suggested i call back after the holidays.
I did not know about the whiplash headrests mentioned by rctennis3811. Is this right?
happy holidays to all and safe driving.
What kind of wax is best for Dark colors..I have a monarch blue Verona. Can anyforum member give opinion on the Cargo Net and Liners sold as accessories for the Verona?. Are they useful?. has anyone used them?. Where do you get them online at reasonable rates?
Happy New Year to all.
As for discount pricing, you can look online for a discount dealer. I found one that sells accessories for my 03 Diamante for considerably less then my local dealer (example: dealer wanted $156 for a set of mudguards, the website only wanted $80, and I got the cargo net for $17 instead of $25). Just do a search for Suzuki accessories. To be honest though, it's hard to find parts for Suzukis and with the Verona being so new, you may run into even more problems. But its worth a try to save some money.
Rctennis did you have a test drive?. What were your experiences?.
:-)
Back to the Verona:
I liked the overall feel when I started the ignition in the showroom. The stereo is great for the price, and the seats are comfortable. Love the dashboard and the wood seems very upscale..even Lexuslike. Overall, I'd want anyone to buy a new Verona!!
I just feel its unwarranted for you to claim "Glad I didnt buy the Malibu", meanwhile, you have no real world experience with its virtues or detriments. I could say the same "Glad I didnt go with the BMW 7-series, 70K just seemed overpriced....." where certainly, the 7 series is better than any car my family owns....
Just food for thought.
~alpha
No one else has answered my question about high octane gas giving better acceleration. Has anyone else tried this and if so with what results? This is the ONLY thing holding me back from purchasing....
Eus777..If you read the user manual for fuel guidelines it suggests min OCT 87 or Higher. I did my first highway trip ( I drive mostly in the city). I have Oct 93 and the Verona performed marvelously. I did 0-60 in much less than 9 secs (as some of these comparision reports suggest).The Car was well balanced and dint wobble, vibrate or make any sound. Wind noise was minimal. The Car trans did adapt on the way and got smoother as the ride got on. The steering held in place. I got to 70 mph and the ride was smooth. Rather than surges of power, I felt a constant availability of power as and when needed.
Keep adding your comments forum members.
Thanks
rasup
I get one chirp on locking.
I get no chirp on unlocking.
I get two chirps when unlocking the trunk.
The interior dome light goes on when I lock the doors.
The interior dome light does not go on when I unlock the doors. (this should really be reversed as I would rather have the dome light go on when I am getting into the car or trying to locate my car).
Also, as to the auto shutoff of the headlights. I tried this yesterday and the regular headlights went off, but the parking lights remained on. Does anybody know if the parking lights will go off on their own after some amount of time?
Still love the car though.
The car is now really smooth after 450 miles.
Happy New Year!!!!!
Has everyone read on page 5-9 where it says
"DO NOT USE SAE 10W-30 or SAE 10W-40 UNDER ANY CONDITIONS." SAE 5W-30 is the only viscosity grade recommended for the car. I think I will use only the dealer for the oil changes.
I found a Suzuke ball cap at the dealer and purchased one, it has the big "S" on the front. The dealer is the only place I have found them.
I see that the Verona has an inline 6 engine. What differences can one expect between an inline 6 and a V6 engine in terms of performance? What considerations would dictate a need for an inline 6 versus a V6?
Also, is there a plan for a more powerful engine in a future model year for this car? A more powerful and fuel-efficient engine can do a world of good for this fine looking ( inside and outside ) car, in my opinion.
Why can't GM put a 3.0 or 3.3 liter V6 engine on this car? They already have other sedans with such engines. Would the 3.5 Chevy Malibu ( 2004 ) do the trick? I am no expert. I don't know how the engine will perform when mated to the current Verona transmission.
Just a thought.
one locks the car with the remote and then unlocks with the remote, but does not open a door within 30 sec, it will auto lock. I did check this today.
GPM I filled up today with only 7 gal and I got 17.3 MPG, but still have less than 1000 miles on the car. I have a habit of filling up an auto when it get down to 1/2 full/empty depending how one looks at it.
I wonder how much Suzuki/General Motors will be able to increase Verona engine displacement. It has already been increased 25 percent from the original 2 liter design. The bore centers look close together on the Suzuki engine picture used in their advertising, and the stoke is long compared to the bore. A nice alternative would be a turbocharger coupled with a five speed transmission. Routine development with the present engine might squeeze out another 15-30 horsepower.
Another general question. Has anyone used small gadgets from Verona or other Car's lighter or 12 V sockets?. Do these devices really drain the battery?. Do they affect the electrical system in the long run?. Do comment members!!!
The post by marvinlee about the inline made interesting reading. Here is a web site for fundamental information on V6 and inlines:
http://www.howstuffworks.com/question366.htm
I do love the car. It's running great. Just got back from a six day road trip from San Diego to San Francisco and back, through the fog, rain and sunshine twisting through and over roads along the coast. The car performed flawlessly. Visibility is great for sight seeing. My only minor complaint is that the driver's side of the car seems to be colder than the passenger side (like a slight draft somewhere) making it hard to keep front occupants both comfortable. Thanks to all who post. Keep the info coming.
I am still running on OCT93 fuel. Very good performance so far. I got around 15 mpg @ 450 miles on city driving. How does that compare with other Verona owners?.
The Car feels great. I bought a cargo organiser from walmart for $13 on sale . The organiser consists on plastic tubes with a net assembly and can adjust from 37" to 43" wide. This would fit in the inner part of the trunk.
Please give views on other accessories for Verona.
The remote option for Malibu is an option and would mean added dollars. One can fit it seperately if one desires. However how the starter affects the performance in the long run is yet to be seen. I dont know if it will affect the performance of the alternator.
Keep your comments coming!!!
Thanks,
Ken
500 miles plus on a Verona and going Great!!
No cold drafts, cold starts or quirks now.
Veronaowner..I apologize for my comment that was meant for Boughtaverona..
How are you doing in the New Year 2004 Verona drivers? I heard Suzuki is getting raves on the displays at the Auto shows in Detroit and LA
It is true that the internal construction of the engine is going to limit it's size, but, I think Suzuki's/Porsche's thinking is to attack/eliminate the in-line 4 which has been around way too long. In a non-horsepower race way it also attacks the V6 as there is not real way to put a transverse V6 in a car without creating a maintenance nightmare - i.e. - the owner pays a premium for maintenance and repairs.
I think that the Suzuki marketing rep who demanded/begged to be included in Edmonds review actually did a dis-service to the Verona. It's concept is transportation in a much better price/performance package than the 4's in it's price range. Most of the cars in the comparison cost $7-$10,000 more - sure they're going to get rated higher. But it's too bad that reviewers of basic sedans seem to give horsepower and 50-80mph passing times so much credence when the vast majority of mainstream commuting is passed going 20-45 without any need for break-neck acceleration.
Test results though informative are not the final answer. The consumer would decide if Verona would be acceptable for its qualities or not.
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Well, not quite all. I find it a beautiful and very appealing car, and enjoy this discussion. I own a 2001 Mazda Millenia P with a V6 rated at ONLY 170 HP. And just as the same bunch complain here about the supposed lack of power, they did the same on the MM forum. My Millenia does great under ALL circumstances with the 170 ponies it has. I guess some of us just don't need our egos massaged by excess horsepower under our car hoods. Not long ago Mercedes Benz and BMW were running engines of this calibre. I don't remember all the complaints about a BMW 318 or 325 for instance. I guess it's a matter of perspective.
Rasup, the fact that the Verona has 177 lb. ft. means nothing becuase the car is too heavy, overmatching the engine. From what I've read, the transmission is not among the "smartest" either, which doesnt help. The simple fact is that most 4s in this class can out accelerate the Verona in all circumstances, including the most important ones- passing. According to Car and Driver, the Verona is BARELY quicker than the Hybrid Prius, which Car and Driver averaged at 42 MPG, compared to their test Verona at 19.
The Verona offers good value, but please dont argue that anything better than merely adequate acceleration is one of the cars attributes.
~alpha
Ken
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In the simplest terms, torque is the twisting force the engine applies to the crankshaft and then on to the transmission.
Power, by contrast, is measured as the torque times the rotational speed. In imperial measures, one horsepower is equal to 550 foot-pounds (of torque) per second. Two engines can produce the same power but have very different torque ratings for the following simple reason:
One horsepower can be produced by moving one pound 550 feet OR by moving 550 pounds one foot, provided that either function is achieved in one second.
The difference comes in the fact that the high-torque engine will be rotating slower than the low-torque engine at the same power output but it will be twisting the crankshaft a lot more vigorously.
In theory, different gear ratios - most commonly four or five in cars' gearboxes - should mask different torque characteristics by altering engine speed to suit but the reality is that engines which produce high torque figures at low revolutions respond much more readily in give and take driving.
The practical advantages come in the form of reduced gear changing, lower engine revs and wear and, invariably, lower fuel consumption in all conditions other than constant speed driving.
For Mr Average, torque is therefore more important than horsepower, unless you spend your life racing around at high revs.
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Visit the following sites for more info:
www.modernracer.com/
www. welltall.com/ymc/discovery/car/intro.html
Its true that more HP engines have more accelaration but the Verona feels great and runs smooth and serves us well for our daily requirements.
Its the user that feels best about the Car.The Verona feels great on the road and performs better as the miles log on.
If it had better acceleration and side air bags, you couldn't find a fault with the Verona. The positive attributes and price make it a great buy over these negatives. Reliability was the wildcard risk for me in my decision to buy, but contrary to the critics who look at the glass half empty and dismiss it as an outdated DAEWOO product, I took comfort knowing that it was an updated DAEWOO product. I rented a Leganza a couple years ago and thought it was a great car.
Go ask any car salesperson, how many prospective car buyer brings a stopwatch when they come in for a test drive to measure 0 to 60.
One of the last cars in my family's ever changing fleet of leased and owned vehicles was the PREVIOUS generation 2.2L 136hp 150lb ft. Camry. While offering good efficiency and adequate power for daily activities, the car had little left in reserve. In fact, if you look at Car and Drivers clock, that Camry posts almost IDENTICAL numbers to the Verona (with the Camry slightly ahead). I would not buy another car with similar power characteristics, and our current 02 Camry is noticeably faster.
I could not agree more with the statement "If it had better acceleration and side air bags, you couldn't find a fault with the Verona."
But, the lack of acceleration and no available side airbags are BIG detriments to some consumers, like me.
And saber- "Go ask any car salesperson, how many prospective car buyer brings a stopwatch when they come in for a test drive to measure 0 to 60." Very true. HOWEVER, buyers who cross shop a Verona and a 4cyl Accord or Camry are not going to be blind to the clear difference in available power. Its a question of whether or not the Veronas feature content can make up for this, IMO...
Edmunds 11.8 sec
Car and Driver 10.7 sec
Motor Week 10.5 sec
Motor Trend 11.2 sec
I wonder how many of the Verona's tested were past the initial break in programming for the tranny and engine from the factory when they were tested. I also wonder if the little thing called tire pressure was checked before running the test.