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Suzuki Verona



  • bmcclainbmcclain Posts: 39
    The Suzuki area was busy at the Atlanta show when I went in March, particularly around the Verona, XL-7, and Aerio wagon. The design was striking inside and out. I could not find another car at the auto show that was more appealing for the price or size (I missed the Galant this time). Sure, the massaging rear seat equipped Lexus was on my choose any car list, but at nearly $60,000, I'll easily pass. The cloth in the Verona was nice to the touch, but I liked the way it looked. I did not like the manual climate control knobs (particularly the grips), so I would get the auto. I found all of the seat adjustments up front familiar, the rear seats were just right for me.

    I'm glad that this car does not have a manual transmission, because it would probably be like the GM sourced manuals in the Forenza and other Daewoo cars. They are very vague. They don't have well defined patterns like the Subarus and Hondas I sat in (the Hondas otherwise were unimpressive to me for the price, particularly the Civic). I did not like the Nubira replacement Lacetti/Forenza in the Suzuki section. The climate controls in it are now completely manual instead of electronically controlled, so it's stiff. Cheap GM transmissions and engine. They must use them because they can be had for the lowest price. It was OK 6-7 years ago. This out weighs the nice spacious interior. Aerio for me. The Cobalt was locked away on a turntable. The interior seems impressive.

    Overall the Verona was a very classy car (angry styling, pleasant interior), and I'm glad to hear that the transmission doesn't behave like other GM transmissions (whatever brand it may be). This was easily the best car in the GM half (Isuzu and Subaru were in the other side) of the autoshow, which was quite disappointing to me, considering the "revolution" going on. The Kalos/Aveo was nice and big for the inexpensive class, trouncing the Rio and not so much the Accent. Colorado and Canyon were way too cheap on the inside for the price. What they get for reengineering Isuzu design (the Isuzu Axiom was the other vehicle to catch my eye). The Malibu didn't impress me either.
  • rctennis3811rctennis3811 Posts: 1,031
    Yup, the Verona, Forenza, and XL7 were getting big crowds at the Dallas Auto Show in March. Seems to be a great value for the price!
  • mopar67mopar67 Posts: 728
    "Aerio for me" >>>>>>can you elaborate?
  • bmcclainbmcclain Posts: 39
    Aerio: Big power and size, cool styling, and a digital dash for a low price with a good warranty. I like it better than the other cars in this price range.
  • rctennis3811rctennis3811 Posts: 1,031
    I like the Aerio, but the interior looks very cheap. Word is that the 05 Aerio will get the updated interior from the 04 JP Aerio.

    2004 Suzuki Aerio 1.8 (Japan Edition)
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Posts: 4,202
    We were at the Atlanta Auto Show this year on a Saturday and the Suzuki section was almost like a ghost town.
  • rctennis3811rctennis3811 Posts: 1,031
    Man, I feel bad for Suzuki in Atlanta then. The Forenza, XL7, and Verona were pulling in many people here at the Dallas Auto Show.
  • rctennis3811rctennis3811 Posts: 1,031
    Just finished watching Dateline Sunday on NBC and they had their usual segment of crash tests. This time it was the midsize side-impact crash test. Sadly, the Verona did poor but Suzuki said they are adding side-airbags to future models the make. Side-airbags are definitely going to be on the 2005 Forenza wagon and maybe the Verona. Let's hope so!
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Note, however, that despite the lack of any side impact airbags, the Verona achieved the same STRUCTURAL rating as other cars like the Accord and Mazda 6- Marginal, and did better than the likes of the Dodge Stratus- Poor. The Galant w/o side airbags, rated Poor overall, but scored the only Good for structure, with the Camry scoring Acceptable for structure.

  • marvinleemarvinlee Posts: 21
    My Verona has one feature different from all the other new cars of my past. Not one mechanical defect of any kind. I appreciate the reliability since the nearest dealer is an hour away. I find that the engine revs more easily now that the car has exceeded 3000 miles. The transmission "Hold" button locks out the first gear, but also adds a quick upshift feature for the remaining gears. I like it very much for certain kinds of driving.

    If Suzuki wants a very high performance straight six they might talk to Mercury Marine. Their new 2.6 liter straight six outboard engine generates 275 horsepower in the most powerful version. Now there is real power. It is supercharged, and elegant in looks.

    Does anyone have experience with quieter tires than the Hankook that comes standard?
  • rctennis3811rctennis3811 Posts: 1,031
    What is the HOLD feature? I've been wondering about that. Is that like a manual shift?

    marvinlee: Interesting how you consider looking at marine engines for the Verona. Great idea! I hope that Suzuki uses the DF250 from their marine division in future in-house Suzuki products. It's the same engine as the XL7/Grand Vitara but it's 3.6L and it produces up to 250HP in high-output form. The regular form produces 200HP while the midrange-output form produces 225HP. Didn't know Suzuki could do that...
  • FYI. I received a recall notice in the mail today for an "improperly functioning on-board emission related diagnostic system component." Affected vehicles were sold in California, New York, Mass, Maine and Vermont. Several months ago I reported on the post that my emission light mysteriously came on for a couple weeks in my vehicle, then went off.
  • russm3russm3 Posts: 44
    grand vitara on a verona ex man is suzuki dealing
    if i wanted another color i would have to wait a few days but the black is nice guess i will be cleaning this alot. on the way home my wife said this car at a great price and 7-100,000 also wrapped it up with 5-75000 bumper to bumper and if you don't use it they give you your money back. chevy and ford wont do this.
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    Please share the details of your transaction if you don't mind!!
  • rctennis3811rctennis3811 Posts: 1,031

    What's the HOLD feature!?!
  • jkobty2jkobty2 Posts: 210
    The hold features operates in 2 ways.
    1. If you are stationary(starting from zero), then it starts the car in 3rd gear. This is very useful in slippery conditions and you avoid wheel spin when accelerating on icy roads.
    2. When you are actually driving, if you press the hold button, first it downshifts, secondly it holds each gear a bit longer so you can accelerate better and get out of scary situations. Perfect if you have to overtake a truck or a slow moving vehicle suddenly.
    A very useful feature that is found on all Daewoo cars with auto tranny. However, I did notice that it works better with the Aisin Warner tranny in the Leganza for example than it does with the GM tranny in the Nubira(Forenza).
    I believe this might have been a feature found on the original Aisin Warner(Toyota) transmission and then Daewoo tried to implement it on all their cars. Now that ALL Daewoos built for GM and Suzuki use GM transmissions, it would be interesting to see if the Hold feature works as advertised.
  • marvinleemarvinlee Posts: 21
    The Hold feature locks out first gear entirely. The transmission then shifts among the remaining gears. If one puts the range selector in fourth, then the transmission will shift among second, third, and fourth. Putting the selector in third, restricts the shifting range to second and third. But, more than the shifting range is affected. When the Hold button is pushed (a tiny little dashboard light goes on) the transmission becomes eager to upshift at a low RPM, and the transmission preferentially, but not exclusively, prefers to be in fourth gear. When driving in hilly terrain at highway speeds, for example, the transmission will be in fourth gear. Pressing on the accelerator will give less power, due to no downshift at highway speeds, but also no higher sound level caused by higher engine RPM. As to the economy effects of the Hold button, I have not checked. Using the Hold feature seems to make the engine more reliant on the torque converter as a means of multiplying torque. I think the primary intent of the Hold feature is to give better traction control on ice.
  • russm3russm3 Posts: 44
    they have a 1500 rebate also 500 trade-in loyalty
    they came down 1800.00 off sticker and rust proof paint protect and interior protect. I know there will be 4000 better deals out there but they seamed straight up with me. I hate to haggle its not my bag.
       Hay jkobty how are you? still driving the woos?
     I will say this gm sure made the ride in this car nice. You feel the road not the bumps. Take one for a drive Knowing you you will like it!
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    If your happy-that is all that matters. There was one dealership here in So Cal-that was discounting ALL Verona "S" $3,000.00 off sticker, BEFORE THE REBATE WAS INCREASED AM ADDITIONAL $500.00!! This was not including Loyalty, military discount, etc. They are not selling well here in So. Cal at all. I am sorry you paid for the exterior and interior protectant package. This is where a dealer makes extra profit. This "package" amounts to a $7.00 bottle of "scotchguard" (or similar product) and a $8.00 bottle of polish for the outside. I am sure they were nice to you. They made a lot of money off you. Don't mean to be negative--it's just the truth.
  • russm3russm3 Posts: 44
    I wished I lived were you do in pa there getting hard to find in fact I wanted white and would have to weight a few days they were sold out of the lx and had 3 s left and 1 ex in gold. So if there giving them away in south ca buy one before
     they move them out. Wow what a deal!
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    There is a local Nissan dealer with a used Verona. It has 13,000 miles on it. Of course, the dealer is asking $16,999.00 which is about "retail sticker" for a brand new one. Dealers are idiots, they should know there is currently a $1,500.00 rebate on the new ones. I have checked Kelly Blue Book, it was no help-not even listed used. What should I offer for this car? Any suggestions?
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    It is an "S" base model.
  • fwatsonfwatson Posts: 639
    The dealer in Lake Wales Fl is advertising them NEW for that price. Allowing for the "Drove it off the lot" depreciation, it can't be worth more than about $3000 less than a new one.

    This same thing happened with Mazda Millenias for a couple of years, and many of us bought them for $8000 or more below MSRP ($4000 below invoice).
  • russm3russm3 Posts: 44
    hi chuck if you go to suzuki web site it promotes a s model for 15349.00 after rebate I would think the dealer on that used one is high. I also seen one on e-bay for 16999.00 but it was an ex with less than 1000 miles. also keep in mind if you buy a used one you still get the balance of the factory warranty this may keep the resale value of this auto a little better than some considering 3years 36000 bumper to bumper and 7-100000 drivetrain . I read that suzuki is only making 25000 for the us market this year and buy the size of the us its not alot of cars.
  • The hold button dose not start the car in third. If you engage hold from a standstill, it will hold that gear until YOU shift out of it,to the next gear. the same for second & third. the trans will not shift till you manually do it. On slippy surfaces you can start in second gear, but you must put the trans in second first, you can do this without using HOLD,unless you want to keep auto in second gear until you want to shift it out,then use HOLD. its simple to hold a gear and shift manually,put in hold.
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    In the Los Angeles area you can get $2,000.00 off sticker with no problem. I qualify for BOTH the military rebate of $500.00(through my son)and the additional $500.00 loyalty rebate. So if you add it up it comes to....let see $4,500.00 off sticker inc. discounts and rebates. If the Nissan dealer wants $16,999.00, but it should go for around $13,000.00 used, if I factor in all rebates of $2,500.00 (if I were to purchase new), In my way of thinking I should be able to get it for $10,500. The question is...this car probably came from an auction...What did the dealer pay? Did the dealer pay too much for the car used since the new ones carry very aggressive rebates and discounts? Interesting.....
  • dkuhajdadkuhajda Posts: 487
    Go ask Terry at Real World Trade in values and see if they show up on any of his auction reports. Post the short bit about the incentives you get and post your buy price on a new one versus the asking price at the Nissan dealer.
  • rasuprasup Posts: 136
    Now I am more than confused!!!. What Motocity says is not quite what Marvinlee and JKobty2 say. I drove the Verona using the Hold from Stop position. I found that the Car had less pulling power but ran smoother. The Trans shift was not perceptible and the engine seemed to be more silent.I drove in city conditions.
    Can someone clear the concept?. The manual says that HOLD is useful in slippery conditions.
  • carrinocarrino Posts: 42
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