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H4 = 215/60-16 - I wonder if N. America will get the larger 225/60-16 again?
H6 = 215/55-17
Remember that these are German specs and the N. American version may be spec'ed differently.
Also saw some exterior and interior pictures elsewhere. The Outback has an interesting quasi dual moonroof. I'm going back to finish my Nabisco crackers now. There currently sitting below the Baja, Forester & Legacy. ;-)
DaveM
...And with a little help from Babblefish:
Trailer weight:
Unbraked trailer = 1,653.45 lbs. (all models)
Braked trailer 2.5L 5-speed & 4EAT @ 12% grade = 3,968.28 lbs.
Braked trailer 3.0L 5EAT @ 12% grade = 4,409.2 lbs.
Braked trailer 2.5L 5-speed @ 8% grade = 4,321.016 lbs.
Braked trailer 2.5L 4EAT @ 8% grade = 4,343.062 lbs.
Braked trailer 3.0L 5EAT @ 8% grade = 4,541.476 lbs.
This is a significant upgrade from outgoing models. Even assuming SOA lawyers take their corporate hatchet to these numbers, I think (pray!) we will see an increase in US-spec towing.
Bob (grinning from ear-to-ear)
DaveM
http://www.subaru.de/
Bob
OK, Bob, but you have to promise to stop talking about it if they finally give you more capacity! LOL
WHOA, that moonroof is cool! The front portion becomes the deflector, the rear retracts. But there is nothing in between, it's wide open, and much bigger than the current one. Big improvement.
I'd be happy with any big moonroof, to me it seemed that the one in the plain Legacy was different, more like what the Forester has now. Is my memory failing me? [don't answer that!]
-juice
Please offer a regular sliding/tilting one piece roof in the Legacy wagon over the driver.
PLEASE!! PRETTY PLEASE!!
I know it's silly, but I want a normal moonroof and it is a deal breaker for me. I'm in the car everyday - not passengers in the rear seat.
DaveM
Bob
This new design could address both the noise issue, plus it could tilt independently.
-juice
"vehicle weight/gross vehicle weight: As for LEGACY Macintosh sound system equipped car + 10kg. As for sun roof equipped car + 20kg. As for SRS side air bag + curtain air bag equipped car + 10kg. As for VDC equipped car + 10kg."
Can I get a GT no sunroof but with VDC and Macintosh? I figure the stereo is worth the weight from what I hear about it, and maybe the VDC would be as well.
-juice
Ralph
-juice
DaveM
Ed
-juice
1) Will the entry levels get only the side chest airbags? Would like to see the side chest and full side curtain on all levels.
2) Nice to hear 5 stars expected on the EuroCAP. How 'bout all green on the IIHS? Expect front but curious about side.
3) Will the U.S. get the turnsignal integrated mirrors? That's mainly for pedestrians, right? Seems side mounted would be better for anti-collision enhancement in emergency situations.
4) Will the lower model 05 OB cladding be painted (as in the pics we're seeing)? Would prefer a grey or black all-the-way-through material like on the Forester 2.5X, CR-V, V70XC, etc..
5) Any firming yet to 05 OB wagon engine choices? Had read only H6 variations would be offered. Need mainly for commuting and some trips. OBs driven to date seemed fine with the four. Still dreamin' of a diesel, someday.
6) Full size spare or sticking w/ the donut?
The German version looks beautiful. The interior looks like they got a little bit of a lesson from Nissan. This will be a strong competitor to the Altima, Accord, as well as Camry's. I'm hoping it does good, because I may even buy it soon.
Bob
I've driven an XT and the 2.5T has torque like you're never felt before in a Subaru.
-juice
mark
For high MPG, they ought to use the 3.9 final drive from the WRX.
The 4.41 will be wicked-fast, though.
-juice
-juice
Eric
Eric
I HOPE SO
My two cents: I hope it is on par with the current range of Subaru vehicles, the sharp angular lines of the new body and interior better not equate to sharp angular increases in price. I want to buy the new Outback for the same, of a few hundred dollars more than my 03.
:end two cents...
Mark
Another thing, Subaru needs a "CONVERTIBLE" and what better time to have one for the new Legacy.
2 doors, 4 seats (hardtop?)convertible Legacy. Subaru doesn't have any models that is topless and it's time that they have a high end car. I'm still likely to get the Legacy but I'm so there if it's convertible(uhuh drooling).
More HP & a convertable, can I get a Amen or a 2nd to that! oh, yeah the cd player should play mp3 too. I had contact (hope it's the right contact) Subaru about these items and if you agree what you read, then let your voice be counted.
http://www.subaru.com/contact/contact/middle.jsp
But...it would weigh a LOT with a hard top. Soft top is OK with me.
-juice
You don't want to screw with your company's image too much. Subaru is known for producing cars that are solid, have excellent value, and offer a lot of utility. Onto this, they've grafted a funky kind of sportiness with cars like the WRX, STi, and Forester XT using Lance Armstrong and their rallying experience. But they don't want to stray too far from their foundation. I think convertibles and 300-hp Legacy's are straying way too far.
- Mark
Corvette almost stopped production in the '90s until they took a chance on the now big curve on the back of the vette. boom! success.
300hp WRX, success. Lot of people want one. I know a guy who's gonna trade his Mercede for a STI. Even I at one point wanted to trade my Mitsubishi 3000 VR4 spyder for a sti, until I came across the new '05 Legacy.
Convertible, how can you go wrong with topless.? It would look great in the new '05 style. If a 300hp convertible Legacy were to go on production, you still would have a choice of getting a slower non-convertible version. Just an option for car addicts.
"steppin' forward, not backward"
Subaru is about many things: AWD, reliability, simplicity, used to be about inexpensive (but that is less so lately).
It is not about sporty convertibles any more than Porsche is about SUV's (and you can see how well THAT is working...)
Bob
Just because Subaru branches out into a performance/luxury category does not mean people will buy Jeeps. Keep the Outback, hurry along with the 7 passenger version, and give those in their mid-life crisis an AWD, fast, sleek convertable Solara, oops... I mean Subaru, Solara isn't there with the AWD yet...
And for the love of the invisible man in the sky, a six speed manual is due with the H6.
See, for instance, Mazda during the mid 1990's.
If Subaru put a lot of effort into a drop-top, it would be very costly and would never be as solid as the cars they sell today.
If Subaru wants to address that niche market, I hope they don't roll the R & D costs into their main product line.
-gearhead4
As said, the market density being greatest in inclement weather states and those states particularly not as fond of convertibles in an already saturated market would just not be an upside for Subaru to look at a ragtop. Not to mention AWD for inclement conditions and ragtop being for sunny days, isn't that an oxymoron? I just can't see this happening. Well, then again, they did try the Baja.
And as for the comment of this being as unlikely as a 300hp Legacy, I'd have to disagree to a certain extent with that. We may see an STi Legacy within a couple years after latching onto the new Legacy turbo.
Thanks,
Jeff
On gearing, the 4.444 final will be too high revving for highway speeds/fuel economy. That is why I thought from the beginning that US needs the 4.444 final but a 6MT. The Forester would be great if it just had an extra gear on top for the highway. How's that for pleasing everybody? Now it looks like there is a decent possibility of getting the 6 on the Legacy.
Rangner, the 4 cylinder Outback should be the same as in the base Legacy. The information we have now is that it will probably remain SOHC but will likely have AVCS mainly to improve fuel economy while bumping hp up to maybe 170hp. Count on equal number for ft-lbs whatever the hp ends up being.
Sebberry, there is a thread about pricing. Look and post in there. Nothing official, but some have looked around and tried to think of what reasonable prices would be. This has been thought about plenty. In short, several of us believe that the base GT sedan will start $26,000 and no more than $27,000. Premium options would be added onto that going up to $30-31k. I'm sure there is disagreement, so feel free to counter on the pricing thread.
A convertible? Where is the LOL smiley? No way, no how. Coupe, yes. Maybe even a sports car. Convertible, no. I think others have made the point enough.
Markjenn, I don't think that the demise of the SVX didn't have anything to do with moving away from utility vehicles unless the excuse is that they didn't know what they were doing. I'll give you that. Go from practicality to almost unuseable windows. They took a big leap upscale and hadn't built up to it at all. On top of that, it offered no manual tranny, the auto it came with sucked, and its performance was mediocre given it's heavy weight.
Subaru can/needs to keep its utility image, but it needs the performance image as well that the WRX is helping with. High performance can "excuse" sub-par fuel economy of Subaru, whereas it becomes unacceptable in mediocre performance.
Cars aside, there are two things that severely damage the image of Subaru in the US. #1- the dealerships. Kia dealerships look better than Subaru! I'm guessing it's because Kia is new to the US (relatively), and Subaru dealers have been around for decades. Whatever the case, remodel the facilities and step up the professionalism of your staff! #2- advertising. The overall image needs to move upscale on all models, and I don't think that this can be achieved using Lance. I'm probably about the only person who wishes he wasn't a spokesperson, but I don't think Subaru needs a PERSON for their ads. Look at the Japanese Legacy ads. Very elegant. For an example, Hyundai has done a good job IMO of good advertising that makes their cars look more upsale than they are. Subaru is so much better than Hyundai, but Hyundai has been more aggressive about improving their image. The pre-Lance WRX ads were the best (other than having two kids for Radar Love). Paul Hogan was appropriate for associating Outback to Subaru, but he did absolutely zero for the other models. A lesbian tennis player and the best cyclist (athlete?) in the world doesn't have anything to do with the cars no matter what tagline you try to put with it. I am so afraid to see the flash screen, cheap looking, Lance ads for the new Legacy. Common people see this and the dealerships much more than they read who "wins" a car review. Driven by what's inside = She's got a nice personality. Thumbs down. rsholland, as a graphic designer, do you think that Lance can be used in a more formal way for the Legacy?