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That is a downright lie alright. You and I know invoice is much lower. I too am having trouble finding actual prices paid on the gs430. I live in chicago burbs and have spoken with two local lexus dealers each of whom is telling me that they are selling the 430 at msrp and they are not aware of any dealers going below. In addition, they say that supply is short and cars are selling as they arrive or before and that they believe this car will sell for msrp for the next 12 months. I suspect that is a bit of an exaggeration, but looks like msrp is the best we can do for foreseeable future. Based on this, i am leaning towards the m45 or possibly a new or very low mileage 05' gs430. I almost bought the latter last week where i had one at invoice w only 750 miles on it. Car sold today before i decided to go back and buy it.
MSRP: $45,679
YOUR PRICE: NOW $43,499*!!!!(price does not include tax, license or doc. fee & is good thru 5/20/05(in stock vehicles only) - $2,180 off MSRP
OR with navigation & mark levinson sound system:
MSRP: $50,209 NOW $47,499*!!! (in stock vehicles only) price does not include tax, license or doc. fee & is good thru 5/20/05 - $2,710 off MSRP
LEASE SPECIAL: BASE MODEL
48 MONTHS
12K MILES PER YEAR
$2500 TOTAL DRIVE OFF EXPENSE
PAYMENT- $567+TAX
(Lease quote is subject to change and credit approval)
LEASE SPECIAL: NAVIGATION / MARK LEVINSON SOUND PACKAGE
48 MONTHS
12K MILES PER YEAR
$2500 TOTAL DRIVE OFF EXPENSE
PAYMENT- $629+TAX
(Lease quote is subject to change and credit approval)
Note that I'm not on their GS 430 list so I do not know it's pricing. 80% of the GS's sold are the 300.
Like you said the salesman are no willing to negotiate the price at all. It's MSRP or have a good day. You guys take a look at BMW 06 - 530i...with Sports Package, Navigation System, Automatic Transmission...they're asking 58K out the door which includes 9% for taxes and fees.
I guess I am willing to wait 3-6months to save around 5-6K.
All kidding aside, there are many people (myself included) who like the lines better on the M. You would rather go for the lux over the sport. That is your choice (and the choice of many others). True, the GS is quieter. Some people like a little engine noise.
The GS is a nice, attractive, and luxurious car. I am sure you will enjoy it.
The M35 non-sport interior finish was certainly luxurious (especially with black/rosewood) - sure it's not as luxurious as Lexus but wasn't that far off. As far as sporty - no contest - the Lexus drives like a Lexus, the Infiniti drives like a BMW. My 12-year old daughter thought the Lexus was too "girly" and the back seat was uncomfortable and difficult to get in to.
Actual selling prices of comparably equipped GS 300 and M35 are not that different. I drove the Audi, BMW, Lexus, Infiniti and MB. Are the BMW and MB worth $10-15K more than their Japanese competition? I didn't think so but the German cars have outsold the Lexus and Infiniti the past two months. Too each his own.....
Anology:
M is like a $200 CASIO stereo (cheap bells and wistles etc) and the GS is like a finely tuned $2000 Pioneer Reciever
Remember, looks are subjective.
They are both nice cars. The GS has the definite advantage in noise and MPG. Infiniti has the edge in sport and interior dimensions. Interior impressions vary depending on who you are. Some people think the matte finish on the wood in the M (and there is more wood in the M if you check the galleries on the respective web sites) is cheap-looking. Others can't stand the over-lacquered wood on the Lexus. As to exteriors, some people hate the rear of the M, while others think the rear of the GS looks bloated.
I found the latest comparison of the GS430, 545 and M45 in this month's Road and Track to be well written. Their take on the cars pretty much matched mine. Each car is excellent but targets different users. They also agree with us about the Infiniti's quality - not yet Lexus-like but getting much closer and better than the BMWs.
I find it very interesting that the GS300 and M35 haven't been in a comparison test yet - a majority of purchases will be the V6 not the V8 models. I don't know if Lexus has any input into which cars get tested but the difference between the GS300 and the 530/M35 is far greater than the difference between the GS430 and the 545/M45. I would love to see this comparison but I think an AWD-V6 comparison would be more logical from the magazine's perspective. Road and Track has already commented that the GS300 AWD is underpowered.
Give us a E350, GS300, M35, 530i/525i comparison. And heck throw in the A6 if you've got the time. That's what most of us who want these cars are going to be driving. And such an article is of value to everyone even those who are looking for the higher end models. Conversely, there's no point in me reading about the E500, GS430, M45 or 545i, because they're all out of my price range.
I test drove the BMW 5 series, Audi A6, and the Lexus. I have to admit the A6 was nice but way too long. The 5 series was incredibly fast but way too expensive. So i got the GS 300 which was suprisingly quick but not overpriced.
GS300 RWD
MSRP 46,320
13,800 miles per year thu US BANK
39Month Lease
2000 down
634/mo including tax
I went to the fleet manager who deals with more internet sales - He said the car was sold to me for 2k under sticker...
Anyone who is leasing also might want to check out Leasecompare.com - they have very competitive leases but remember that they're prices do not include tax.
For the record, I have not buyers remorse and I am just as satisfied with the M as I've been with my past Lexus'. Look at the last sentence of post #2581 on the 2006 Infiniti M message board for a similar comment.
and you are here reading the lexus forum to make sure you are satisfied and made the right choice. But are you sure?
My question is, are these new alloy wheels, susceptible to paint damage due to their construction or low profile. The dealer, thinks the damage was caused by his car washer machine. He will repair the wheels, but I am concerned for future paint damage, or do I have a set of defective wheels???
JP
In any car buying situation, the best deal you will get is the deal both you and the dealership agree on. What you think is fair isn't always the case, especially if it's way below where the market is.
Have any tips for care of the interior. The black is difficult to keep clean. Do you use leather cleaner/conditioner on the seats? Use anything to protect the carpets?
Any tips are greatly appreciated.
btw- i'm still getting a fair amount of looks at the car from other drivers (i'm in charlotte NC) as mine is just one of very very few on the road at this point. This car is absolutely gorgeous. It's a great fit for a successful early 30's y/o male in my opinion.
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Enjoy!