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My biggest issue with the new Highlander is the 3rd row seat not being split.
I was going to buy a 2008 when they first came out, but due to a lousy trade in value on my current highlander, I decided to wait and see what the 2009 Pilot looked like. Now that I have seen how ugly the 2009 Pilot is, I am waiting for the 2009 Highlander, with the assumption Toyota will fix all the "Beta" issues on the 2008's
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While the 3rd row is not that big a deal for me the 2nd row jump seat is. I can't believe that Toyota chose this way to go. The 2nd row jump seat is Mickey Mouse IMnotsoHO.
Anyway my 2004 HL is not getting the trade in I think it should. Sooo I am going to wait to see what Honda does with the diesel engines and if Toyota gets real and offers a 2nd row split bench.
And can we PLEASE get the ebony interior on the HL Limited. What the heck is Toyota thinking.
Also with the news today about Toshiba getting out of the DVD business and studios alreading ditching the DVD format why buy now, if the entertainment system is part of your buying scenario.
My view is wait and see cause automakers always tweak the models. :surprise:
I love the car otherwise. Nav, bluetooth, XM all work great.
There is the well-known well-documented 'winter effect' on fuel economy. My post from the Hybrid Camry forum ...kdhspyder, "Toyota Camry Hybrid MPG-Real World Numbers" #314, 16 Dec 2006 3:20 pm
Your personal situation also has a big effect. This is especially true if you use it for short trips.
I use the Bluetooth quite a bit now and really like it...seems to recognize pretty well the different voice recognition names I have programmed in and the sound in the car is just great...especially when both the wife and I are in the car and talking to one of our grandchildren! Good luck, and let me know how it turns out.
Once this happens to a great extent the DVD players in autos are not as valuable because of the lack of software. I shudder to think what might do to resale on the car.
And please don't tell me about copying Blu-ray to DVD cause the US Congress nullified FAIR USE a few years ago. This is winding its way throught he courts but I think we all know how that will turn out.
I can hear the salesmen now. Well sir your car has a DVD player we will need to deduct $500 for that.
Maybe I am over reacting but I see this coming in no more than 3 years. So the car you buy today will be a tough resale tomorrow.
Regular DVDs are here for years to come.
Incorrect. EVERY studio is still producing DVD's, and will do so for years, in parallel with Blu-ray disks. The Blu-ray format is not even technically finalized yet, and will not be the dominant mainstream format for at least 3 years. Even then, the studios want to continue to sell the huge back catalog of movies that have not been remastered in Blu-ray format; it will take years before they are remastered and many will never be. Blu-ray players also play standard DVD's so even after most people own Blu-ray players, studios can continue to sell DVD's of all the movies that haven't been remastered.
Also important to keep in mind -- Blu-ray does not provide a significant upgrade in picture quality over standard DVD in automotive applications, because of the tiny screen sizes used in vehicles.
Bottom line: while in-vehicle entertainment systems will probably be Blu-ray based within the next few years, this does not mean that a standard DVD-based system purchased now will be obsolete anytime soon.
It won't become obsolete overnight. Don't forget, there are Billions of DVD media out there. I own over 250 DVD titles. So I need a DVD player in the rear of my car.
I can still play them for years to come.
However, on my 65 plasma, I will get a Blu-Ray player and begin to buy new titles to add to my collection
Isn't that like owning 250 cassettes? Still usable but surely all this stuff will go to a more compact format soon, like some sort of flash memory. (and no, Micron pumps a lot of money into the Boise economy, but I don't own their stock).
All the map upgrade stuff you have to buy on CD/DVD is silly too - that should just be a simple download. At worse you would have to put it on a USB stick to move it to the car.
Toyota may be figuring this stuff out:
Toyota recognizes portable navigation units
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No, it's like owning 250 DVD's?
I am not sure what you are trying to imply?
Both DVD or Blu-Ray are the the same physical size. Comparing CD (or DVD) to a cassette is like comparing apples to oranges.
Yes, I agree that having movies on a disk will propbably go away and get replaced by flash memory.
Thanks for the link on Nav units.
No, it's like owning 250 DVD's?
I am not sure what you are trying to imply?
DVDs just seem like old tech already - not too compact, easily damaged, and you have to have a mechanical device handy to use them. Not too far removed from cassettes.... 8 tracks ... vinyl.
It's hard to reconcile our need for greater fuel economy with the seeming necessity for each new car model to offer a larger, more powerful engine.
My girlfriend bought a hybrid Camry earlier this month. While hardly a rocket, it has surprising power. The same system would likely provide adequate power in the Highlander.
No, it's like owning 250 DVD's?
I am not sure what you are trying to imply?
DVDs just seem like old tech already - not too compact, easily damaged, and you have to have a mechanical device handy to use them. Not too far removed from cassettes.... 8 tracks ... vinyl
Sorry, but flash memory storage size still isn't up to carrying libraries of films. Magnetic hard disks can carry a bunch, but you still face transfer problems - we still don't have good enough wireless transmission to do big films.
You're jumping the gun by a couple years. [not to mention when this comes on line, it will again take a while before the price point filters down]
Thanks for all the insight from this board, it really helped me get a fair deal.
I think it would be interesting to hear back from the group on what all of your feelings are about this, now that many have had their cars for several months.
In my own experience, I mostly drive only this car, so I have gotten very used to it and think it feels just fine. In fact, when I drove my wife's 2000 Lexus GS300 awhile back, at first the steering felt "very heavy", almost truck-like at first.
So what do you think? Is it still "too light" and an issue, or is it something that you get used to and not a problem?
I have done this with my last two car purchases and I think using Costco lets them know you are serious about price and you will give your business to the dealer with the lowest price.
I don't mind the light touch, I prefer it to the truck feel.
Note that I've been successful doing this with my '08 HL Sport with nav; also note that there are plenty of other buttons in these setup screens, some of which can really screw things up, so resist the temptation to "play around."
1) Foot off brake, all doors closed
2) Set headlight switch to off/DRL
3) Turn ignition to "on" position - do not start the car. Wait for the nav disclaimer screen to appear.
4) Press and hold the "info" button, which is one of the nav buttons next to "disp."
5) While holding the "info" button, click the headlight switch back and forth from AUTO to OFF/DRL three times, about one movement per second. The sequence starts with the switch in the OFF position (step 2), and goes AUTO, OFF, AUTO, OFF, AUTO, OFF.
6) If you've been a very good boy or girl, your nav screen will change from the disclaimer screen to a "System Check Mode" screen. Press MENU in the upper right hand corner.
7) From the Diagnosis Menu screen, press "Bluetooth TEL Check."
8) From the Bluetooth Handsfree Check Menu, press "Handsfree Voice Quality Set."
9) Now press the up arrows at "Send Voice Level" to adjust up from zero. I'm going to try a setting of 2 - I've heard that any higher settings than this and your voice will be louder but distorted.
10) Press "Set."
11) Back out of the menus as far as you can, then turn off the car.
12) Try out your new volume setting for the microphone!
Hrmm...
It is interesting that you would have to use the lights to get through to this screen.
Have a great day!
1) Hit yourself severely about the head and shoulders for making such a high dollar purchase as a Highlander without nav.
2) Ask your dealer for help, as they have to plug in their "intelligent tester" to make the change for you.
As to your reply to another post, I almost didn't get the Nav., but I sure am glad I did. I felt for future resale I would be better off. I really love this Highlander, and plan to keep it awhile !
In my state you can not buy a HL Ltd with Nav and without DVD Entertainment.
Since I have absolutely zero use for a DVD entertainment system, shelling out over $4k for both just does not make sense. However, if you'd like to send me a check for the above amount, I'll gladly go ask them to make the switch for me.
PS: I blasted Toyota on the last [non-dealer] survey for not offering NAV without DVD in my area. Before buying in NY, I had locates out for 3 weeks in Maryland and Virgina but to no avail...that would have meant a 600 mile round trip drive for delivery!
PSS: In hindsight, my $400 Nuvi w/ traffic and TTS (Black Friday deal) is FAR more useful than the HL Nav system.
Well...not exactly. If you're going to use it, fine. If the advantages of having the integrated unit (larger screen for the backup camera, touchscreen interface to the radio, integration with the steering wheel controls, voice recognition, etc.) outweigh the cost of a handheld unit, fine.
Getting it just because the Highlander is a high dollar purchase? That's absurd.
Besides, take a look at this article about navigation systems and resale value:
"Navigation Systems Hurt Resale Values"
All of this is moot for me; in my state (Hawaii), navigation is not an option. Our distributor just started bringing in navigation-equipped units in the Lexus lineup, but nothing on the Toyota side yet. I heard it had something to do with licensing fees.