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Volkswagen Jetta 2006+
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-Andrew L
The 2.0T in the VW makes 206ft-lb of torque at 1800rpm.
actually the accord has 212ft-lb of peak torque. of course your example would have more meaning if torque curves were linear. but yes, turbo engines do have abundant low end torque.
Then there's that VW reliability and quality problem. Toyota makes a bullet proof car to me.
All my cars have been Acura's so for the money rather than a Jetta,I'd go with Honda or Toyota.
i've owned both 1.8t and VR6 jettas and the 1.8t wins hand down. it was quieter, smoother, more eager to rev and got better gas mileage. the jetta also had better weight balance with the turbo. but yes, there was turbo lag with the 1.8t and the VR6 wasn't the best example of a smooth refined V6.
if it's true that the new 2.0t has virtually eliminated turbo lag then a lot of people are going to love this engine.
the "old" 1.8t puts the new 2.5 to shame in my opinion.
Yes...I think the 2.0T brags that the peak is available from 1800 to about 5000 or so.
BTW, Passat's moving into Avalon/Maxima class.
VW has to seriously think about having the 2.0T standard for the jetta w/pck2. the previous jetta GLX model had the VR6 standard.
Not really, but some auto makers would like American buyers to think this is true. This is called "marketing", which may or may not have any basis in reality. I have to give them credit for the plan though. Take a cheap inferior product, make it look like something expensive, and then convince buyers that it's actually an upgrade. Brilliant!
Only after you get on the boost. Before that they are about as responsive as a 50-year-old virgin.
I was REALLY surprised to hear of 27K Jetta's with the 5cyl. I thought the MAX (loaded with everything) would come to 24ish (and typical configuration under 22K) and the 2.0T with DSG hovering around the 27K mark.
i have a hunch that when the 2.0T is available it will be standard for pck2 jettas (in addition to the GLI model) without much of a price increase. i think VW misjudged our market in what's expected in a $27K sedan.
otherwise you might as well go for an audi A4.
The 1.8T Audi engine is a fine engine - a perennial Wards top ten engine champ -but it is NOT as refined as the VR6, which possesses BMW I6 type smoothness and response.
http://auto.consumerguide.com/Auto/New/reviews/full/index.cfm/id/38539/Act/Roadtest/
9.1 seconds to 60 with the auto? Hahaha. I know 0-60 times aren't the most important measure of a car's value, but when it's got such a bad speed to dollar ratio it is an issue.
Usually magazines list their testing procedures. For automatics they usually apply the brake AND press down on the gas at the same time; then release the brake. This way they get “better” acceleration times than the manufacturers claimed times.
Not a road burner either way
I know some people who want to be the first on the block to own the new this-and-that, but is it really worth plunking down $20K+ of hard-earned money to become a beta-tester for the automobile industry?
If anyone has answered yes to this question, then complaining when something goes wrong with a newly-purchased early production automobile will only serve as an object lesson on shooting yourself in the foot.
I just leased a 2005.5 Jetta Package 2 and I LOVE IT. I have owned a 1998 Passat, 2002 Passat, 2003 Jetta, 2004 Jetta, and now I am leasing the new Jetta. Best Volkswagen I have had. Better handling, powerful base engine, and I personally love the look of it as opposed to other VW people who say, "eww Carolla". It puts any Carolla to shame with the features it has and new size. The engine is MUCH MUCH faster then the 2.0 liter and feels almost close to the 1.8 T. Great on gas and sounds great. All in all I love the car! If your unsure of what the new Jetta could be like just drive it and then you'll know. Can't wait for the 2.0T to come out should be pretty fast and then a possible 3.6 liter VR6 engine, we will wait and see.
-Max
That is known as corporate identity. You better get used to it.
Revisted the Jetta at the NYC auto show today- the leatherette is trash, it was already showing age creases from the show wear. Notably, the cloth of the Value Edition was fine and attractive. Doesnt the public deserve better than vinyl when paying 24K for a car? Does VW think its fooling anyone? (For some reason, the leatherette on BMWs is much better...)
~alpha
perhaps you should re-visit the available features on the new jetta.
when are you going to take the new jetta out for a spin?
~alpha
The dealer indicated it should be here in May and that the first VEs are supposed to arrive within a couple weeks here in the north. I believe he indicated the first batch are at a port in the US...forgot exactly where, somewhere on the gulf coast I think.
Is 2,000 hp better than 200? I think the whole focus on hp numbers is getting to be ridiculous. People actually just look at the hp number and will not even consider a car based on that one item. HP is directly related to rpm, and if you are not driving at those high rpms you are not getting that hp. Torque is far more important.
I actually prefer the much less powerfull TDI to the VR-6 or the 2.0t or the new 2.5.
You’re actually singing my tune. I’m a big advocate of the 2.0T over similar 4 cylinders such as the TSX because of the HUGE (relatively) amount of torque down low.
I think the TDI with DSG would be an excellent combination for general use. I think in the Jetta they are only using the 1.9L TDI whereas the new Passat will get a 2.0L TDI that produced 170hp and 260 ft/lb of torque (0-60 8.5 sec and 39mpg).
The 2.0T is my sweet spot
6 speed DSG transmission
an engine (2.0T) better suited to an auto tranny
rain sensor wiper control
air conditioned compartments
trip computer - you need the navi with the TSX
12-way power seats with memory for driver
power lumbar support
heated windshield washers
self centered steering
real wood applications
rear window shade
subjectively i would say the jetta handles as well as the TSX but offers a better ride. it feels great over broken payment.
i agree with you that you need more than the 2.5l for this trim level. you could never get the old GLX model jetta with the base engine (2.0l).
since you didn't respond to my last query does this mean you're not going to test drive the new jetta?
~alpha
~alpha
http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=102071
M
As the saying goes: "Horsepower sells engines, but torque wins races"...
High horse power would win races because you’re running in the upper rpm band so you don’t need the low end torque (Honda S2000)
The high end torque would sell more because it gives a better feel, but if your engine runs out of steam over 4000rpm you maybe able to spin your tires at the lights, or tow a boat, but can’t make a quarter mile run (diesel)
I think high hp figures are just for advertising and may fool some people who would never use the power anyway. Plus hp figures aren’t always accurate or comparable. If you drive a BMW 330 225hp (or even 325 184hp) and compare it to a 240hp Accord, the BMW’s feel much more powerful.
Either way, engine characteristics and driving style probably make a bigger difference if you NEVER drag race or go WOT, a diesel with HUGE low end torque may give you the impression that you’ve got a really powerful engine (which I guess you probably do)
Horsepower gets you there, torque keeps you there...
Probably true, yet it is still far inferior to cloth, IMO.
you never know when an air conditioned owner's manual will come in handy. i hear what you're saying.
however, the DSG will be a noteworthy feature. i know, it's not out yet.
BMW must do wonders with that peak 175 ft/lb of torque for the 2.5l. never mind that honda's 3.0l is producing more than that at virtually every RPM.
since the accord's 3.0l has 90% of it's peak torque as low as 2000 RPM and at the same time reaches peak torque at 5000 RPM i don't see how the BMW's 225hp 3.0l would feel so much faster. perhaps it's the gearing. there sure isn't much difference in measurable terms whether it be 0-30, 0-60, 5-60, 30-50, 50-70 or the 1/4 mile.