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zach- talk to tony messina, If you can msg me or get me your email, i'll tell u details offline (if required), I didnt contact anyone in Princeton area (cuze none had the color in stock i was looking initially)
What other hidden fees should I expect? The Princeton folks said their application fee was $190 and Wayne was $389. Any insights would be helpful....I'm looking to strike deal before end of Jan....hopefully to get better deal. I was told invoice is a fixed amount among dealers...so how do you negotiate a lower deal?
zach5@aol.com thks. zach
-negotiated price for the car
-tax, title, license and doc fees. Depending on the terms, you usually only pay taxes on the monthly lease amount....and not for the entire amount you negotiated for the price of the car.
-downpayment....usually first month's payment, acquisition fees (and sometimes, at the end of the lease, you have to pay a disposal fee), any sort of other monies used to lower the price of the lease terms. Those bank and lease fees are not negotiable.
NOTE: this is why I don't like leases.....first, you have to guess how many miles should be included in the lease. If you go way over, you've got a big $$$$ amount you have to pay. If you're way under, you've paid too much for the lease. Plus, after you think you've negotiated a good price for the car, it doesn't look so good when you add in lease origination fees, bank fees, etc. On top of that, when the lease is over, you may have to pay a disposal fee, just to give the car back to them, with no equity for the car assigned to you.
Some leasing agencies, whether the lease is through Honda Motor Credit, or a 3rd party source, add in more fees for dings, scratches, etc that invariably happen during the course of the lease's term. Some are more strict than others in what they call "normal wear and tear".
All that said, if you're leasing, that about covers it. Read the lease carefully to see what it does/doesn't cover, the fees involved, and what your liability is. Make sure it includes GAP insurance.
From what I'm seeing right now, TL AWD w/tech are going for about $38k-$38.5K...maybe a few hundred less on the east or west coast where the competition is greater.
A TL tech should be in that $34K-34.5K.
- Joey
Thank you.
Thanks,
I'm most interested in the model/options/OTD price, but also dealership/sales person experience is appreciated.
Thanks!
38000 for tl awd w/ tech with hpt and without.
2010 acura TL base. OTD $34,789..including, TTL+fees+ dest. 1.9% for 36 mos in NY area
luisja2000 at yahoo.com
Are you in the Raleigh area and looking to buy this month? I'm wondering if we can leverage our buying power. Maybe we can shop the joint offer around to the area dealerships as an all or nothing deal and we both win by getting them to come down even more on the price. 1 salesman, 2 sales, 1/2 the work to close the deal.
I plan to offer $37,500 (dest and fees included) + TTL for a 2010 TL AWD w/ Tech.
Once I decide that, I'll make my offers. On the TL, I'll make an offer of $37.5. But, I only make one offer. I don't sit at the negotiation table. I make the offer to a few dealers. If they accept, we've got a deal. If they all decline, I start all over again and readjust my offer.
I may expand my shopping as there's only one Infiniti dealer around me, and two Acura dealers. I could go as far as KY and IN to expand my search, as I want a specific TL....CBP and Umber.
I also have a business trip coming up to Chicago (about 5 hours from me), where I may scope some dealerships there.
With the short month, bad weather, and poor TL sales, and dealer cash on the table, I hoping I can get the deal I want without too much hassle.
If I can't get the deal I want this month, I'll wait it out. I don't see too much changing as far as the economy in the short term, so maybe Acura will actually sweeten the deal (wishful thinking?).
I noticed that you did not include sport package in your G37x configuration, and am wondering whether it was an omission or your choice. IMO. the sport package's 18" wheel, paddle shifters, larger break, and sport seats makes the G37x more apple-to-apple with TL AWD and price in the same ballpark. Curious to know your thoughts.
Good luck
I would be curious to see what kind of deal you can get in the DFW area
G37x vs the TL SH AWD? That's my dilemma. I find both to be comfortable. They're both fast. I'm not going to debate a few 10ths of a second on a track. By my "buttometer" says they're both fast.....too close to call.
I posted in another thread, after test driving the A4/5, Mercedes C300 4 matic, BMW 1 and 5 series (used to own a 330i, so I know what a 3 series feels like), the above mentioned cars, the TL SH AWD feels closer to the 5 series in performance, room, ride, handling. It's kind of a "tweener"....splitting the difference between a 3 and 5 series, a G and M series, or an A4 and A6.
That's more or less where I personally slot the TL (SH AWD....the standard TL is kind of in a different category....maybe more comparable to a CTS). I certainly like the seats in the SH AWD version better than the standard TL seats. They don't look much different, but the SH AWD seats feel better. Being in a winter climate (as I look out my window and see about 4 inches of snow on the ground), the 19" summer wheels and tires don't play well for 4 months out of the year around here. Same for the "S" package on the G.
Tough decision. Both the Gx and the TL SH AWD are really close. The G37x is a little faster, but a little less refined than the TL. The TL is a little more comfortable and really offers some nice handling characteristics in the SH AWD version. It "feels" bigger than the G but handles "smaller", too....if that makes sense. Don't know if that's a positive or negative for you.
If I were in CA, and I absolutely had to have the very last "nth" degree in handling? I'd probably look at the TL SH AWD with the HPT, or the "S" package on the Gx. Just know that the ride would be a lot stiffer with either. If you can live with 99.5% of the capabilities of either HPT or S package, and get a better ride, stick with the standard set ups with both.
One thing you mention which I don't quite get it is that TL "feels" bigger than the G but handles "smaller". The TL is bigger and it shows. In the test drive, I felt I was driving a Buick dimension-wise. In fact, its size bothers me more than its grille and rear end. I do like TL's interior space, feel and comfort better than G, though.
The funny thing is, as I sat in G and TL the other day, I realized that I like my 328i better than either. However, since I am purchasing (vs lease) this time and plan to keep the car for a long time, I do not want to take the risk of owning a German car beyond warranty. I have had my fair share of electronic problems during the 3-year lease. I just can't imagine how much it would cost if the repairs had to come out from my pocket. :sick:
I've also test driven the base TL and the TL SH AWD. Really, two different cars (of course except for the way they look). I almost felt like Acura wanted the base TL to compete with the Lesux ES350....a car I never enjoyed driving. The TL SH AWD definitely handles much better. It also feels much more fluid....almost like there's nothing you can do to upset it through the turns. If there's a downside to it, it almost takes the decision making out of the equation when driving briskly through twisty roads. No matter what line you pick, it sticks to that line, regardless. Steering is very neutral, too. The TL SH AWD drives much smaller than the weight and dimensions tell you it should.
As you know, BMWs are very nice cars. I know I got my 330i, all loaded up, with Nav, upgraded stereo, etc for a shade under $40K (I think it was $38K and change) about 4+ years ago. At the time, it was the top of the line 3 Series.
To get a top of the line 3 Series today, which would be a 335i, all loaded up, you're looking at $50K MSRP....maybe a little more. Let's say you get the dealer to discount $3K....that's still $47K. That's quite a price jump from just a few years ago.
Yeah, the 335i is faster than the 328 or 330. But, the underpinnings are about the same, and the interior sure hasn't changed much, neither has the exterior. Still, $7K-$10K more isn't something I'd be willing to pay for extra speed....especially since I can find that kind of performance elsewhere for a lot less money in the premium sedan dept.
I've always felt that BMW sets things up whereas leasing is the way to go, since they subsidize leases pretty heavily. They do next to nothing for the person who wants to purchase one.
I don't like leases, for a multitude of reasons, on any car, not the least of which is all the bank/lessor fees, cap cost reductions, restrictive use parameters, etc that are associated with them.
Again, tough decision between the Gx and the TL AWD. These are two very good cars, that are priced so close, and perform so well, it's probably going to come down to what's available in what I want.
For example, I really like the CBP w/umber interior of the TL AWD. Either dealerships sell that combo as fast as they get them in. Or, Acura doesn't produce many of that combo. I had one dealership tell me that it wasn't very popular and they don't like getting them in. Yet, that dealer sells everyone of them he can get before any other color combo.
On the G37, I really like either the obsidian black or deep grey color (can't remember what Inifiniti calls it), with tan interior. I also prefer the wood option over the aluminum. I feel Acura does a much better job with their aluminum interior than Infiniti does. But, I do like the wood option in the G.
I'm probably leaning towards the TL AWD, if I can find it in the color combo I want. If not, I'll probably go with the G37x, which seems to have better availability in the colors I want (wood option is hard to find, though).
I was also hot for that umber interior but then when I saw it in person, tho' beautiful, was too much of a 'statement' for us to live with daily. We once had a Caprice with a red interior...that got old quick.
I mae a poiunt in another thread where I consider the TL SH AWD to be more of a "tweener". It's performance ride and handling remind me a whole lot of a BMW 535i or an Infiniti M. But, people keep comparing it to the G and 3 Series (probably because of the price differential between the TL and the 5 series.
Acura TL 2010 30.8K incl destination
He gave me just 72-hour window and I wasn't in a rush...
$37,659
price INCLUDES: Destination and all other manufacturer fees plus applicable incentives.
price DOES NOT INCLUDE: Dealer documentation (processing), tax, DMV, registration, title, license, other government fees, or dealer installed accessories.
Dealer also offers the following:
Free discount gas card
Free 10 year / 100,000 Mile Nationwide Warranty (only on purchase)
Free 4 year - 24 Hour Nationwide Roadside Assistance
Free car washes for life
I think rick case has dealers in ohio, florida, and atlanta, but i'm not 100% sure about the locations. rickcase.com (I believe) is their site.
$50?
$500?
$999?
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Again, this was a lot of years ago. And, Rick Case may have changed since then.
But, as "kyfdx" points out, look very carefully at some of the fees they may charge on the back end of that deal.
Also, do you have a trade-in. Rick Case used to always undervalue trade-ins, by a lot.
http://www.edmunds.com/dealerships/Florida/FortLauderdale/RickCaseAcura/index.ht- ml