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>These tires are about 32" tall and not particularly wide but this is the top of the heap for the limited number of 17" tires. Had I ordered it I probably would have opted for the 16" alloy wheels so that I could have put on light truck tires size LT285 R7516 which are considerably taller (about 2") and wider.
Does this comment mean taller/fatter tires aren't available for this rim in 17"??
The bedliner....I'm glad you point out the weaknesses of a drop-in bedliner vs a spray-on. Is there any particular brand of spray-on that resists weather/scratching/peeling better than most? How long does this last for very light duty?
What's the average cost? Thanks.
However, Ford claims to be working on a fix. Perhaps 2002 model year will do much better based on Ford's success in crash testing other vehicles.
I realize this was an "offset" test, but if you go to NHTSA website, you'll see that Ford rec'd a 5 star rating and the Tundra which rated best on the same test, only received a 3 star rating in the govt test.
Also the government has a note for 2001 Ford F-150 4-DR. Cab Frontal Tests, that its yet to be tested. With the Toyota Tundra. According to NHTSA the 2000 Toyota Tundra, got a 4/3 rating. 4 Stars front driver, and 3 stars for the Passenger's, and in 2001 the Toyota Tundra got a 3/3 frontal rating. Maybe the 2001 F-150 is not as good as the 2000? Werid. You would not think so but... Funny the Chevrolet Silverado Extended Cab 3/4 star front raiting, and did better in the IIHS tests.. But anyways..
The 2000 Ford F-150 4-DR cab ...
4 Star for Front Crash, 5 for Side Crash, in Government Tests,
The 2001 Ford F-150 4-DR cab. got a
Poor in IIHS Side impact test. Also to note that the Bumper test by IIHS gives the F-150 a Poor.
The IIHS has not tested the 4-DR cab for 2001 yet, but they plan to according to their site.
Tired and mixed up yet??
But anyway, Its Clear this is a disappointment to ford, lovers and owners of the F-150. But really there is no question that this truck should have and could have done better. After all its 2001 and Ford has been around for a very long time and should have this crash thing down by now. Really something this big should do better than that. And really there is no question why this truck cannot do well in all types of crashes. After all allot of people buy these trucks because they feel safe, but apparently it's not true in some cases. I know of an accident where a person was killed in a 2000 f-150, I have posted the story in another news group. Lets hope ford fixes the problem fast.
by the way here are the web addresses to the gov. sites.
2001 Ford F-150 4-DR. Cab
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/ncap/cars/1686.html
2000 Ford F-150 Extended Cab
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/ncap/cars/1460.html
IIHS Test on the 2001 F-150
http://www.hwysafety.org/vehicle_ratings/ce/html/0110.htm
Anyway, once all of this blows over in a week or two, everyone will be back to their favorite vehicles talking about performance and durability!!
4x4, 5.4L, tow pack, limited slip, skid plates and trailer tow group in Toreador Red.
I had been considering Dakota and Tundra, but by chance found out just a few days ago that I can purchase with Ford -plan. So, although I still spent more than I would have on the others, I couldn't pass up several hundred dollars below dealer cost... plus got the 2.9% interest rate. The F-150 was my first choice anyway when I started researching what to get when my 6 years in a Camry come to an end in July. (I think the V6 Camry is a great car by the way.) The -plan option just made it an offer I couldn't refuse!
Cost of vehicle as above: $28,425.28. To that add state tax and $150 registration/title fee. But dealer waives usual document fees of $167.50 on -plan.
One comment for potential buyers. When I went to the dealer with my list of desired options, I had expected to opt for the captains chairs. Turned out, they didn't have any in stock with that option, so I drove the "bench" seat. When I realized that the bench was more like two bucket seats and that the center section folded down to make a perfect height armrest and a good size center console...plus still the option of lifting that console for room for 3 in front... couldn't think of a good reason to pay over $400 for captains chairs. I'm sure those who have em love em, but I think the bench is the best of both worlds. Hope this helps those of you still looking.
Now I just have to hold on 'til delivery day!
Was that a Lariat or XLT for 28400? Sounds like a nice truck & I agree on the bench seat being the best of both worlds. I'm on the verge of passing on my order for a white Lariat 4x2 in favor of a red Lariat 4x4 already on my dealer lot but the dealer invoice (and Edmunds)says $31200 (w/5.4, towing, off road pkg,leather bench). I can get 2.9% & $1000 rebate but dealer wont budge on the invoice. I sure would like the 4x4 though!
Atlanta4....you also mention 2.9%..is that for short-term (24 mo.) financing? I'm in San Antonio and have noticed that depending on what part of the USA you live in, the incentives may be different. I'm looking at a 2WD/Lariat/5.4/limited-slip/Moonroof/sliding rear window in 2-tone color. Although I also like the Tundra Limited, I can get more bang for my buck with the Lariat, plus size and a bit nicer styling.
Since I was on X-plan, didn't have any negotiating on price. Dealer (Central NJ by the way) seemed pretty honest about pricing and said they generally don't sell Screws much less than $800 - $1000 over invoice. That's a bit higher than Edmund's TMV suggests...but not much.
Maybe a really good negotiator could get dealer down to $500 over invoice if the dealer is also motivated, i.e. move a unit off the lot, etc..
I don't know exactly how the A-plan price is set (it's set by Ford) but it looks to me like the A-plan price is around 6% below dealer invoice. A very nice deal.
The X-plan is available to company's that have some kind of "relationship" with Ford. My employer is a Fortune 500 property/casualty insurance company. I don't know exactly what our relationship to Ford is. Maybe all our fleet cars are Fords, or maybe we insure some significant part of the Ford empire...I just don't know.
Anyway, X-plan pricing is 4% above A-plan. So for instance, my dealer just read the A-plan price off of his computer printout/invoice and then used his trusty desk calculator to multiply A-plan times 1.04...and that gives the X-plan price, which is what I paid. All the options get the same treatment. I figure net result in my case was around $500 below dealer cost.
Dealer didn't mention the deadline for ordering 2001 Screws...but it must be close. (For instance, the deadline has passed for ordering 2001 Escapes).
Delivery time as indicated 6-8 weeks. He said he wouldn't know much of anything on status for 4 weeks, so I'll start checking with him in a month.
In NJ, the 2.9% is available up to 36 months.
Their price is $99 over invoice. I brought the invoice price from this website & it matched theirs (wish I could get that "plan" price that luckyjack mentioned). They don't try to slip any "doc fees" or any of the other typical dealer phoney baloney in on you on top of the quoted price so I was pleased with the experience. Area dealers have tons of SCrews and mostly fully loaded Lariats so you could probably find what you want if you don't mind a days drive & want to skip the 6-8 week wait. We wanted the leather bench but not the moonroof so had to look around to find the right combination. Really don't need the 4X4 here either except some areas we go for mountain biking. BTW -I looked briefly at the Tundra but felt the SCrew was much more capable for carrying family of 4 plus bikes, dog, camper, etc. Good Luck with your decision.
Thanks again.
I just bought my SuperCrew this weekend. The local Ford dealer is taking $5500 off MSRP on every SuperCrew is stock. I got a bare bones XLT. The only option, captain's chairs front seats. Sticker was $27,910. I paid $22,410. No kidding. Invoice is $24,700 +/- for this unit. I am an X-Plan member and this is way below X-Plan or even A-Plan. This was a no hassle deal. Pick out your truck, and they take $5500 off the sticker. No bull, no argument, no dealer ad-ons. Fair value on my trade-in too ($1000 more than 2 other dealers offered me). This was as good of a deal as I have seen, so I bought a 2001 instead of waiting on a 2002 (I understand the changes to the 2002 to be a minor front end restyling).
The dealer told me that Ford has a special promotion on Ford trucks (at least in Texas). If the dealer sells 250 trucks in June, Ford pays him a bonus of $250,000. The number of trucks that must be sold probably limits this deal only to the bigger dealers.
This particular dealer is Don Davis Ford in Arlington (817) 261-4261. Ask for Bobby Ervin. He is their top salesman. A real pro. The dealer has just about everything in stock. I saw all colors. XLTs, Lariats, King Ranches, 4x2s, 4x4s, 4.6L strippo models (like mine). He has 40-50 in stock and told me that there is another 60 at the railhead waiting to be delivered.
If you want to check inventory, go to www.forddirect.com. Use ZIP code 76011. That will let you look at Don Davis' inventory.
Locally, at the mega-Ford dealers, the most I've seen within the past month is $4000 off of King Ranch, $35-3800 off Lariats and ?? on XLT's. There must be a ton of SCrews up there. Is Don Davis Ford close to IH35? I'll check MapQuest for detailed directions. Thanks again!!
1Digger....I'd jump on a 2001 if I were you, otherwise you'd probably have to wait till Spring 2002 to start seeing decent deals on SCrews. I havn't found any source of price increase amount for 2002 Fords. I'm also considering a Tundra Limited, but you just get so much more bang for the buck with a SCrew when you compare features/options.
I do not know how long Don Davis is going to hold that price, but I suspect at least during June, or until they sell 250 trucks.
I would call Bobby first and make sure they have what you want and that the $5500 off MSRP deal is still going on.
If Don Davis is no longer offering that deal, Westway Ford in Irving is taking $4800 off King Ranches. www.westway.ford
Just a little surfing on internet shows there are a huge number of options, so any comments (pro's and con's of various styles and brands, cost, etc.) from Screw owners on these items most appreciated. Directions to websites would be great if available.
Only thing I've pretty much ruled out at this point is the one-piece, solid type cover 'cause I want to be able to load large/tall items.
Thanks in advance.
LuckyJack
Re: Bedliner....I've seen many owners that are down on drop-in liners, who cite such things as slippery surface which creates problems with small loads sliding all over the bed. Another issue is water that somehow sits beneath the liner and causes rust. I, too am apprehensive about having something "sprayed" into a bed. I did notice some new trucks at the dealership with spray-in liners that were very neatly applied by a local vendor. Some owners swear by them, pointing out durability and slip-resistant surface. I guess it just depends on what type of compound is used as to durability. Cost is $300-$400. I'm going to also add billet grill and chrome nerf bars, in place of factory black running boards. Good luck.
I would also caution against leaving the cover unsnapped for any length of time as the cover can stretch and/or contract in odd places giving you a devil of a time getting it back into proper position.
I won't go near those on my next truck.
What they would not do is give me any other choice of tire, but did say that for $300 they could have Michelns put on it.
Are the generals any good? Should I just get the Michelns? What do you think guys? I have to call the dealership by Sunday noon.
Thanks,
Jim
invoice costs I/ options is 26,477 they will do it for 26,506 (they keep the 500 rebate)
oh yes ... plus tax....
it all seems too easy ---------is this a reasonable deal ??
thanks for your input
Mike
Michelin have never tested out very well in the tire tests done by Consumer Reports. They have always been the most expensive tire, but middle of the road as far as performance. You probably will get long life out of them. I have known people that get 80,000 miles or more on a set of Michelins.
B.F. Goodrich Radial Long Trail (OEM on some F150s) or Bridgestone Dueler A/T have topped Consumer Reports test. The Bridgestones looks really good too. Don't let the agressive tread pattern of the A/T fool you, they really ride pretty smooth and quiet.
You can also look at Yokohama Geolander H/T or Bridgestone Dueler H/L. Both scored very well. They are more of an SUV tire and do not look as aggressive as the Dueler A/T. The Yokohamas are a little cheaper than B.F. Goodrich or Bridgestone. You can go Consumer Reports website to learn more.
www.consumerreports.org
invoice costs I/ options is 26,477 they will do it for 26,506 (they keep the 500 rebate) plus tax
when you say invoice or below ... how does the $500 rebate fit in .... to me or them if I am below invoice......
I do not mean to be dense.... I just want to get the best deal I can ...
thanks
Mike
Mikebike, the rebate is YOUR money! If you give it to the dealer, then it's like saying invoice plus $529. Email the internet sales managers of the Ford dealerships in your area, with exactly the truck you are looking for, and ask for firm quotes. The more dealerships you email, the better the picture becomes. Some will respond with exactly what you are looking for, that is, a firm quote on the truck you want, and it can be a very clean, easy deal for you at the best possible price.
Good luck.
Jim
Jimbob7216 - I have Generals on my truck too. We are in the dry season in North Texas, so I will keep these tires for now, but will switch to the Bridgestone Dueler A/T's when the rainy season starts in the fall. I had a 2000 GMC with Generals and had to try and avoid a bus that cut in front of me during a rainstorm. Ended up hitting the bus and the guardrail. The only body panel not damaged was the roof and the tailgate (repair bill was $6800, paid for by the bus company insurance). I don't know if different tires would have helped, but I got away from that one without a scratch, and if new tires will help prevent even a little a repeat performance, they are worth the money. On a positive note, wrecking my GMC gave me a good excuse to trade it in and get my Screw.
Jim
What was the MSRP on your truck? Was it just the base 4x4 XLT SC, or did you have any options? How many miles/yr are you allowed? From what I've seen advertised where I live (Midwest), it seems like you got a pretty good deal.
Also, was it really a 35 month lease, or was that just a typo?
Thanks in advance!
The dealer is Don Davis on SH 360 in Arlington. Talk to Bobby Ervin, a nice guy and a man of few word, rare in a car salesman. Don Davis' number is (817) 261-4261.
Westway Ford in Irving was advertising $6400 off a loaded 4x4 Lariat Screw this past weekend. MSRP $35,400. Sale price $28,998. I think that the ad said that they had 15 in stock at that price. I don't have a name there. The telephone number is (972) 659-0333.
I'll bite. Give me your pitch on your used 2001. cdcox@bayou.com