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Ford F-150 SUPERCREW
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I'm not sure what you mean by rides like a tank, but mine pulled fine. It just felt like I was towing a trailer. There was some slight sway action going on back there but it was not noticeable in the vehicle. (I will be installing the anti-sway setup)
Hope this helps a little. I have had my SC for 13 months and 28,000 miles later has been completely perfect.
Hope this helps with the controversy. I'll be happy to post the dealer options printout he gave me if someone will tell me how to do it.
So the best case senario for holdback is if a customer comes in and special orders a vehicle, and once the vehicle is built, delivered, and driven away, the dealer pockets the entire holdback, despite the fact that he never had to shoulder any (or negligible) financing costs.
Worst case senario is if the vehicles sits on the lot over 3 months, and the financing costs have basically eaten up the holdback.
This doesn't always mean that salesmen will push every customer to buy special order. Bird in hand over two in the bush is probably the one of the most revered retail mantra. So the salesmen would rather you fork over the money and drive away in a new vehicle TODAY.
This may also factor in on why you can get a deep discount from a high volume dealer. Aside from other benefits, high volume means that vehicles stay on the lot for less time which can potentially increase the net holdback, which can go toward deeper discount, etc.
But generally, it would not be correct to enter a dealership tihnking that (1) holdback is a sure thing, and (2) holdback could be leveraged against sale price.
Thanks for the tip on the F150 website - I will be following it closely (as I'm sure you will!) while I try to see if I can get some info from Ford on my own.
What is the status of your request for a refund from Ford? Are you otherwise happy with the truck?
wim26 - I hope this may help with your towing decision. If you look at a Lariat, the base stereo is "premium" with s single CD in the dash (no cassette). The power seat is also standard in the Lariat as is leather. If you want them heated, you have to additionally order the captains chair option as far as I know. I have all of the above and am satisfied with the vehicle. Don't know about the HD shocks being any harsher riding than the std. Ford ones, but this thing rides as well as my last Suburban.
Does anyone know of any web sites that already have information on the 2002 Screws? Also, am curious that there doesn't seem to be any mention of Ford F150's pitiful performance in the recent Insurance Institute Offset Crash Test in this forum. I am a Ford fan and certainly do not want to bash, but it seems that the test results would cause some concern and generate some discussion.
Thanks in advance.
This thing is even nicer than I expected - way nicer than my previous F150 & older model Chevy & Toyotas.
As far as the Class III towing pkg.- I think it's a good investment for the relatively low cost. The hitch & wiring are all factory Ford installed - always a good thing if anything goes wrong later. The question about the radiator still rubs me the wrong way a little. Seems they could have avoided all this by being a little clearer in the brochure & ordering literature. If you're going to tow anything you need lights so I'd go for the factory towing pkg if cost is not a major issue. I think owners manual in mine says it's rated to tow around 7000lbs w/5.4L, 3.55 gears & 4X4 as mine is equipped. I'd go check but truck & owners manual are both gone! Mine has Off Road pkg w/HD shocks & rides very well. The truck is pretty heavy anyway so I doubt the HD shocks make a big difference in the ways it rides until you tow something.
The heated seats are available with the bench but I only saw one with this combination on the dealer lots. We wanted the bench 'cause the seats felt as comfortable as the captains chairs without the big console in the way and the power seats are really nice for getting it adjusted just right.
I wanted the aftermarket chrome 'nerf bars' instead of the factory steps but the black ones were included in the deal on mine. Just make sure that you check underneath how they're attached to the frame- the dealer didn't install all the bolts in mine so they weren't straight when I got it home but they will fix this.
Several local dealers told me they wouldn't be able to order he 2002's til early September & they do a pretty high volume - I'd seriously question a 6-8 week delivery on a 2002. They'll promise anything to get a deposit then string you along.
So far very happy with the truck & did a lot of research before final purchase.
I called my sales guy. He asks me to take pics and e-mail them to him. I did this and by the next Wednesday, I haven't heard anything. I drive two hours to the dealership only to discover that no one seems to know about my problem, the sales guy is off that day, and the service dept says all they can do is send it to a bodyshop. I made it clear that this was not an option since I had no idea of how much water has gone into the cab even before I purchased the truck.
I got a call this morning from the Service Dept. chief. He talked to the Regional Service guy from Ford and he says the only option they can offer is bodyshop repair. I just don't think I should have to take this since I wouldn't have bought the truck had I known the defect was there. It seems the tear is located where a seam should be and the sealer used to bond the metal didn't hold or whatever.
Please give your vehicle a complete inspection before you leave the lot. Top to bottom and back to front. You will not have a leg to stand on and absolutely no support from FORD if you try to take it back. I have a meeting with the regional guy next week but I don't hold out much hope.
Buyer Beware!
Keep a log of every call you make & who you talked to about the problem. If you get nowhere through Ford channels and decide to pursue relief through other avenues your own records are critical in proving your case. Good Luck! The squeaky wheel gets the grease!
1) are there problems with buying a demo?; and
2) how do you figure in a deduction for mileage?
Also, I assume that rebates ($1500 in this case) and trade-ins are deducted after settling on a price? Any insight would be appreciated.
keep in mind the offset crash was on a supercab, not a supercrew. the supercrew has a b pillar that the supercab doesn't. this may enhance structural integrity in an offset crash...
I had decided to buy an Screw XLT with only the limited slip diff. & cab steps as options, but the selections at my local dealers are "slim pickin's" & most of the trucks remaining have several options installed.
Would someone be so kind to help with the following questions:
1. Is the ride (i.e. tranny performance) for the 5.4 much better than the 4.6; someone had alluded to this awhile ago, I think.
2. Should I go with the 5.4 if I'm looking for the limited slip diff. & towing package?
3. What's the verdict on the towing package anyway? Would I be able to transport a car on a trailer? And, should I make a "big stink" up front about the radiator?
4. My main reason for the limited slip is for a possible relocation up north & anxiety with cold climate driving (currently not much snowfall in FLA), but the salesman said that lim. slip isn't much of a help in snow?
5. Is there any history of a cash incentive/ rebate on a new year model? Am considering waiting a few months for an '02 Screw, but don't want to miss out on the $1500 deal.
6. I like the deep blue color choice, but worried about possible repair work / aftermarket product matching since it's no longer being offered as a color choice.
Had a few more ?'s, but can't rememeber now! Thanks again to everyone!
Here are my thoughts regarding your questions on a new Supercrew.
IMHO:
1.I haven't driven one with a 4.6L but mine with the 5.4L rides very nice. As far as the tranny - not sure but I think the 5.4L might have a different tranny than the 4.6L. At any rate, the 5.4L comes with a HD transmission cooler with should improve longevity & transmission performance particularly if towing is a consideration. If you're thinking about towing anything -go for the 5.4L & it will be money well spent.
2. See #1 above. The 5.4L is built with heavier internals i.e. than the 4.6L and has better torque & HP. Both of these will be noticed when you do some towing. Mine has the 5.4L w/towing pkg, 4X4 w/off road package which also includes heavier duty shocks. I have a 26' two axle travel trailer that I've been fixing up all summer to take to my hunting camp. It's old (a 1973 model) and heavy (around 4500-5000lbs). I hooked it up & pulled it around the North Georgia mountains last week and the truck pulled this heavy trailer effortlessly. I could steer it with one finger on the wheel everywhere but the steepest downhill curves where I would get a little sway but I haven't put a sway control hitch on the truck yet.
3. I think the towing package is worth getting but the verdict is still out on the radiator issue. My truck is back at the dealer getting two tone paint applied & I have continued to inquire about the radiator. I mentioned a TSB (technical service bulletin) the I had heard mentioned on the f150 online site. This seemed to get their attention & they are looking further into it while the truck is in the shop getting painted. I am not optimistic however. I still like the towing package - it's just too bad Ford didn't clarify this earlier.
4. As far as driving in snow - the salesman might be right. Chains will give you better grip whether you have limited slip or not. 4WD is better yet but if there's ice (and there will be) you're going to slide even if you're driving a tank. If you're new to cold weather driving going slow and braking carefully makes more difference than what kind of car you're driving.
The limited slip is a relatively cheap upgrade however & will come in handy if you're pulling a boat up a steep ramp.
5. I grabbed the $1500 to get a 2001 when I found the truck I wanted. Mine is loaded & I was lucky to find one decked out like I wanted. Don't know about incentives for the 2002's but doubt they will be as generous for the times being.
6. Get the color you like. They can always match the color by computer if need be.
Sorry this got so long but hope it helps.
I had a friend (former Ford mechanic) drive the 4.6 & 5.4 & he also noticed a considerable difference between ride quality (the 5.4 transferring many road imperfections). Supposedly these 2 have the same suspension, etc... & we made sure they had the same tires (although we couldn't check tire pressure). While the 4.6 with towing package wasn't as smooth as the 4.6 without it, it was still better than the 5.4.
Since I'm buying as a truck/SUV compromise, I would like a smoother ride, but don't want to sacrifice power. I'm not expecting a truck to ride like a caddy, but I can't believe that a difference in engine weight is the cause.
Several people have told me that their 5.4 rides smooth, but would like more confirmation.
Also, the brakes on the 4.6 were very soft (like an old U-haul) while the 5.4 brakes were excellent. Go figure.
Yes, Avalanche is not a good looking truck as Screw so I don't want to go for it. However, it has all the functions that Screw has. Plus, it has side-airbags, fog lights, hard bed cover, better towing capacity and more as standard. Of cause, it also costs more.
This truck drove much better than the other 5.4's I tested. Not like the ride of the 4.6 I mentioned before, but vastly better. However, the brakes were soft, which I don't understand.
I'm thinking the prevsious poor 5.4 rides were due to those particular trucks sitting in one spot for awhile. Perhaps they developed a flat spot on the tire?
Agree with emale about the cladding on the Avalanche. The general reaction I've heard is either love it or hate it. It definitely gives the truck an unmistakable appearance. Wonder what it would look like with the cladding toned down a bit?
Thanks.
"Attention: Radiator Concern: 2001 F150, 5.4L engine with trailer tow pkg (XL3Z-8005-AA) If you have concerns call Ford FCSD reg. office. Bulletin #3556"
The dealer was passing this on to his area rep. in my behalf. Does anyone have an opinion on what this means?