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I would consider that demo, sure. It really would depend on my financial situation. If you cannot afford new anyway, it seems like that car is a match for what you want (otherwise you would not have mentioned the extras). I might buy it, sure.
FWIW, I bought my Miata used, 8 years old, and it's been one of the two most reliable cars I've ever owned (the other being my new Forester).
-juice
I went to a dealership and found a new "demo" car for sale at a $4,000 discount. Is buying a "demo" car a good idea?
Dealerships are always trying to unload "demonstrators" ("demos") -- cars that were driven by the managers or salesmen but are still legally new. The car salesman may tell you that the "demonstrator" has been immaculately maintained since it was driven by an "executive." He may also assure you that you can get a far better deal on this car than you would get on a brand new car. Don't believe it.
While a discount of $4,000 may seem generous at first glance, my experience tells me that the selling price of a "demonstrator" car is often not much less than if you bought the same car brand new. And if you take into account the fact that there is considerable mileage on this "new" car (which gets subtracted from the mileage allotment of your Factory Warranty) and the fact that "demonstrator" cars often receive lots of abusive wear and tear that may not be noticeable at first glance, the "demo" suddenly doesn't seem so attractive.
Best Advice: avoid any offers to buy a "demo."
I was just curious if anyone on this board has heard good or horror demo stories. In addition, since you mentioned a Forrester, a Subaru salesman told me the other day that this car is compared to the Civic. I don't get this idea.
-juice
Somebody wants to buy my car and they need to pick it up now because they are moving out-of-state. This means i need a new car asap and i've been eyeing the 06 Sti.
I looked up the TMV and it looks like everybody's paying $33,620 MSRP
Has anybody bought one that is priced lower than that? Btw, invoice price is $31,394.
Thanks!
I just use the Trip B odometer. I reset it after I change the oil. I use the Trip A for gas mileage calculation. I just hit the trip button whenever I want to check how long it's been
-juice
I don't think it really matters if this dealer is losing money on that car... If the car won't sell at that price, then they will have to lower it... or keep it for a lovely trophy.. Once the '06 models come out, that car is depreciating on their lot, the same as it would in someone's driveway..
It is a decent price, but nothing that hasn't been available for the last few months...
regards,
kyfdx
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I did not end up getting the 2005 WR Blue wagon as I discussed before. However, another dealer from neighboring city is offering 2006 base WRX in WR Blue (color that I like) for $23,645. He is also offering Limted starting at $26,200. I could really care less about auto dimming mirrors and security sesor on 2006, since they come equipped with the engine immobilizer. Is this fair price for 2006 base WRX wagon with no options? Edmunds TMV is about at $23,700. Also, this car yet from another city nearby...do you usually pay dealers to bring vehicle from outside their inventory?
Any thoughts and feedback would be appreciated.
is your 2006 wrx base model still the wrx, and not the TR? because if it's the regular WRX, i think thats reasonable. i think you may do better, but then again i dont know much about finding a good price online. the TR should go for less. at least with the small amount of research i've been doing.
As for the 2006 WRX Wagon questions - there is no TR wagon and the 2006 should be selling better because it has the newer, more powerful engine than the 2005 with the 2.0L.
Get some quotes and ask for specific price components. Forget list/MSRP. Ask to see their cost, existing incentives, holdbacks, etc. and work from there. Any dealer not willing to do this is not worth doing business with.
Here is another price point, pretax: $25,200. (That was $23,140 car + $360 short shifter, installed + $1700 gold plus plan)
Yesterday, here in the SF Bay Area, I bought a 2006 Subaru Impreza WRX sport wagon (the cloth interior, not the leather) for $220 under the Edmunds invoice price for the car itself.
Since it was a base model with no options, I got the short shifter installed for another $360, which was $135 over edmunds invoice of $225. It was $15 over edmunds MSRP for that option as well. Oh well.
For an extended warrantee or service plan, I got the 7/100K mi, 0 deductible gold plus plan for $1700. That was supposedly dealer cost. The Gold Plus plan for turbo has MSRP listed here(http://www.rushneck.subarusdc.com/en_US/f_AddedSecurity_1.chtml
for $2710.
Also, any more thoughts about what people are paying in Northern CA?
I've been reading as much of the old posts as I could get through before posting, good discussions!
thanks in advance for thoughts.
-juice
oh wait I see another thing but am not going to bother to re-author... the "Patti factor" is now gone for Subaru.
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they are very similar cars, although the 3 trims of Evo now available versus just one STi does muddy the comparision a bit. my opinions are sprinkled in among some measured facts. I am comparing 2005 models --Evo just now available-- but drive an '03 Evo (GSR).
common features:
- plenty of power with both doing 13.3-13.5 second quartermile under magazine test conditions. under less abusive real-world driving, they're not as fast due to avoiding harsh AWD launches.
- 'in your face' styling
- suspension that is heavily handling biased and offers little ride comfort
- no near-luxo features
- both* have HID headlamps
- acceptable fuel mileage for the HP delivered
- noisy, harsh-riding, super sticky summer-only original equipment tires
- unbelivably powerful brakes (same Brembo calipers on both cars)
- excellent visibility compared to other sporty cars due to lots of glass and the tall rallycar stance (compare with 350Z and RX-8)
company differences:
- Subaru has never been remotely as large as Mitsubishi, but Mitsubishi's size is definitely not an advantage when they have tremendous debt and rapidly fading brand image. If Mitsubishi were anything but a semi-nationalized Japanese company they would have folded / sold long ago, but I'm not sure that they are going anywhere just yet.
- Mitsubishi reliability is at least as good as Subaru (headgaskets anyone?), but they are extremely aggressive about denying warranty on vehicles that are raced, have been modified, etc in the event you do have a problem. Subaru as a company is better about it, and weighing in the "Patti" factor there's no comparison.
Evo RS:
- unreal performance for only $28,199.
- no sound deadening, no trunk lining, no HID headlights, no wing, no ABS, no power locks, no power windows.
- no resale value IMO because of the above, except to young sportcompact enthusiasts or real rally- / road-racers.
- narrower seats fit drivers below 200lb better than the STi seats
- aftermarket cruise control can be added for about $300. mine (Rostra) is much better than nothing but not near as good as OEM.
- much more neutral handling than the STi, whose pronounced understeer is felt under hard cornering
- ultra-quick steering with good road feel
- larger and more sophisticated turbocharger than the STi uses, but 19.5psi doesn't arrive until 3,500 rpm.
- truly useable backseat that is Subaru Legacy-sized.
- gas tank is a bit small at 14.0 gallons and is at least a gallon smaller than the Impreza.
- five speed gearbox is perfect for all but extended high speed highway use (about 3400 rpm at 80)
Evo GSR changes from RS:
- at $30,499 it offers everything that the STi does except DCCD and a six speed, for about $2,000 less.
- in my opinion, the hood vent is a lot more attractive and less obnoxious than the STi's hood scoop.
- hood vent is functional; massive heat waves can readily be seen as it is just over the turbocharger and air flows through the grille / radiator and then out the vent.
- interior is simple but does not look cheap in my opinion (look in a regular Lancer, hehe).
Evo MR changes from GSR:
- at $34,999 it is a poor value.
- ADM is likely, but if you hunt around enough you can probably find one for MSRP. unfortunately that is still not a fair price to me for this trim level.
- while it might be functional, I find the rear diffuser (comb-looking device at the top of the rear glass) to be ugly and unnecessary.
- gunmetal wheels do nothing for me, but they are forged aluminum like the STi wheels.
- six speed is very similar to STi, which is to say it will be a bit annoying in normal driving but nice to turn a few hundred RPM less at 80+ MPH on the highway.
- active center differential has tarmac, gravel and snow modes. many purchasers will use the vehicle only on tarmac, but it is roughly equivalent to the STi's DCCD.
- no active yaw control rear differential like the Japanese and European market Evo GSR and MR have.
WRX STi
- $32,295 is a decent price, but you can have one for invoice or a few hundred over, which makes it very competitive with Evo GSR and MR.
- considerably better torque than the Evo below 3,500 rpm-- only relevant in normal commuting/driving. doesn't matter at all when driving hard.
- DCCD's auto mode is probably better than the Evo MR's tarmac setting but it is overall less intuitive for users. many people would not know to set 50/50 in gravel and in heavy snow use 50/50 locked, even if it is suggested in the owner's manual.
- steering feel and speed improved for '05 but still lags behind the Evo
- wider sport seats are better for larger frames
- back seat is tight
- you either love or you hate the tall hood scoop. the wings on both cars are pretty wild.
- standard side airbags if you care. I don't.
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whew.
~Colin
I'm going to try to pick up an STI in the next week or so. I've got an offer for 31,999, with two years maint, and they have decent financing offers right now.
thanks for the input
Price is figured as listed:
$30,766.12 - car w/ delivery
$ 2,692.03 - 8.75% sales tax on $30,766.12
$ 180.00 - License and Title.
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$33,638.15 - out of the door.
I conversed with about 8 dealers total before going with this guy, he was able to dip below invoice on a brand new car, ordered for me to meet all of my specs. I'll probably be adding a short throw shifter and wheel locks to this beast when it arrives. Based on complaints (in the NASIOC.com forums) I've heard about the stock shifter, I think it's worth it to upgrade to the short throw.
Either way, I'm friggin' psyched and counting down the days to the car's arrival.
~Colin
-juice
1) it's a model-year old
2) the current model has cosmetic changes. (I'm not sure if they are improvements, hehe.)
3) the current model has a much nicer 2.5L turbocharged engine
I'd say #3 is the biggest reason.
~Colin
I prefer the 2.5T engine as well, but you can't get it for that kind of price, and the 2.0T is probably a lot more fuel efficient.
-juice
~Colin
In the XT, fuel efficiency has been a common complaint, but to be fair that is a Forester, which is heavier and less aerodynamic.
-juice
~Colin
-juice
Now he'll disappear for about a month, keep driving it, watch.
-juice
06 pearl blue STI, 16 miles on the odo when I left with it.
THis break in period is going to be tough. BIG change from the Acura I was driving, but I love the change.
-juice
what should I do about trading this truck in?? I've been offered $6300 which here in Tennessee means the same as if I sold it for $7000.
It has 120k miles with a v8 and 5 speed manual. VERY STRONG, eaton Positraction rear end, very clean.
Help me make a good deal guys!
What was the MSRP on your 2005 WRX? Could you please give me the the break down as to what the car cost, the tax, and any other fees which led to an out the door price of $21,500? Did you buy the car from a dealer, if so where or from Subaru directly?
Thank You
Khyle
~Colin
I'm sure tired of it, as then it wants to "nibble", wander about following the uneven road surfaces...
Aside for that, it is a wonderful piece of machinery..
For what it is I consider my 25 mpg at 80-85 and 19-20 around town, short shifting a lot to be quite good...
It certainly makes this old man feel much younger...Quite a fountain of youth...
I'm about to get really upset with Subaru if I'm the only one who has this happen...If it is happening to others, then there will be many more STi'owners who are complaining..
Please respond
I only have a little over 1K miles on it (break in OVER!!), so I haven't been in to check the alignment, but haven't felt anything on smooth roads to make me worry.
I remember that my Acura would need adjusting once in awhile during a service, and that was for all 4 wheels, so I don't know if its an issue with more complicated alignment set-ups.
Great car though. Still working on shifting smoother.
Byron
Thanks!
Subaru is the worse with 20% premium on the WRX and Honda has a 13% additional markup on an SI with Aero and 18" wheels.
At Audi Canadians pay a 14% premium for 4WD compared to an 8% premium for 2WD
Generally speaking across the Toyota lineup we're paying between 10% and 20% more than the US after factoring in the current exchange rate.
The new VW GTI gap starts at 14% for the base but when you add some extras it drops to 7%
Given the free trade laws I think it's at the point where it might cost less to import the car from the US rather than buying at a Canadian dealership.
PS - don't give me the line about supply and demand. This is the corporate machine exploiting the under informed consumer.
What an awesome car! Just came from a WRX too. What a huge difference. I'm glad I bought one!
What are they really getting? How did you do?