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-juice
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-juice
Not sure how accurate, but the computer says I'm betting over 30 for combined driving. Sure makes a difference in how I treat the gas pedal, when I can see immediate feedback! It does seem to be geared a little higher than our GT was, could help.
-juice
However, they were quoting invoice on a LGT 5sp with armrest extension, perimeter alarm and autodimming mirror at 27430. This is more than what edmunds says and only matches car's direct invoice pricing if i add the homelink option to the mirror. The sales manager did say there was a 250 advertising fee, which is reginional. Is there any way to see if these claims are valid? Two years ago i talked to a large dealer in Indianapolis and they told me the same thing about the marketing fee.
Another thing that will have a big impact on the price is how the tax and the trade in is treated. Trade in is valued at 14,000. Can i trade it in and get the tax break (pay only on the difference between LGT and trade in) but still finance the whole 27,000? Basically, the 1.9% loan has considerable value so i want to finance as much as the car as possible. The sales manager wasn't the brightest and didn't understand why i would want to pull the equity out of my current car and was hessitant when i talked about this. However, i think maybe he was just confused, i assume most people do this with any low finance rate promotion.
lastly, all three dealers i've talked to are clueless about the subarubbucks. Has anybody been successful using subaru bucks in multiple names (coworker will sell his at a discount) at the purchase of a new car? The only other time i would use them woudl be if i opted for an extended warrenty.
Many thanks!
But nowadays people are beating that with haggling, so it's not much of a promise at all. It's like saying "pay a little more than most people and you won't have to negotiate".
-juice
if GT ltd, it should be at least 3k msrp.
don't pay more than the above
I would like to buy a 05 Legacy GT Wagon around July/August time frame. I have spent time reading the forums and doing other research. Extra bells and whistles/Options aren't too important to me, but it must have an autotransmission or the wife won't be able to drive it and that can pose a problem, as that was the arrangement when we married. Her auto, me manual. She never could get the hang of driving it.
I live in Virginia Beach and the dealers here don't really seem to interested in providing much info over the internet. I did the IMBA thing the middle of Jan 05 so by the time I'll be ready to buy I will be eligible for their discount. Should there still be plenty of 05's to choose from in the July/August time period and should I still continue to see the good prices mentioned in this forum.
What happens if you try to burn regular unleaded in one of these cars?
Thanks,
Richard
Don't have the car yet, but from the test drive, it drives great! The blue is the best color on this car IMO, but black is nice too. The subwoofer is not worth it as it is small (not much bass) and mounted under the seat so it vibrates your butt, which doesn't work for me. According Edmunds, the MSRP for this car is $30,104, the invoice is $27,515 and the TMV is $28,215. According to another dealer whom I liked much better than the one I bought from (but he didn't have a blue car), dealers are getting a $1250 rebate (stair-step or something) off of this price. If the car was delivered to the dealer before december, the invoice is even less.
The base engines in the 06 models should get the same boost that the Forester is getting, to 173hp.
-juice
The insane part was that they wanted me to pay about 33K + fees for a base GT limited with a few small option worth only $300. What were they thinking of? That would put them making close to 6K and yet they tell me "Oh, you got to let us make some money". Some money huh? :P According to them, this is the flagship car. I thought it was the STi that was the flagship?
I was extremely upset because they were wasting my time. It was either a "yes" or "no". They even brought in their so called "Internet Specialist" to talk to me. If someone doesn't know what a "forum" is, I'm not sure this "Internet Specialist" would fit his title.
I often hear great things about Carlsen Subaru but horrible stories from Stevens Creek Subaru.
One dealer in Maryland & PA has advertised dozens of LGT's for over $2k below invoice...check it out!
http://www.fitzmall.com
thanks for any input...
Thing is, your current car is now used, period. It's worth probably 10-15% less than a new one even before you put any miles on it.
So you could do it, just expect to have to come to the table with about 10% of the original cost, plus whatever the cost it to upgrade to a GT.
I'd wait it out, yours uses regular fuel and less of it, and gas prices are high so I think you timed it well. Get a GT next time around, unless you really have money to spare.
-juice
Total MSRP: $29,220
Sale Price: $24,884 (includes destination charge and all fees)
Deposit: $500
Trade In: $4,000
Financed: $20,384 for 48 months @ 2.9% (dealer financing)
Taxes & Reg.: $1,491 (paid separately)
I e-mailed the dealer on Sunday night with a quote request for this car. On Monday morning, I received a response that they could sell me the car for $24,884 including the destination charge and all fees. I went down the next day and bought it. Not only did I get a great sale price, but the dealer was also able to get me the 2.9% financing, and I got a reasonable amount for my trade in.
The whole transaction was smooth and stress free, and the dealership had a nice laid back atmosphere. I'll evaluate the car once the engine is broken in and I can play with it, but I love it so far.
-juice
I've contacted a few local dealers via internet with the best being $27,000 out the door (CA sales tax is 8.25%, ouch!). That was better then Carsdirect which quoted me at $27,455. I heard about Fitzgerald.com on the east coast and was wondering about using them. Is that price really delivered out the door prices to CA included? Seems pretty good, but the website is a bit hard to use and confusing. I can't find one that fits what I'm looking for.
Any help or advice apprecitated. Thanks.
Was at the dealer today. I can confirm that the incentive is either $1500 or $500 and 2.9% financing on Legacy GT's. My local dealer (whom I have given a lot of business) would not go lower than published invoice. No Atlantic Blue/Taupe GT LTD sedan today. Rob M.
-juice
I'm installing a roof rack myself, and seriously considering some higher quality rotors and brake pads. Mountain driving is taking its toll, and had to have it in twice now for brake work in the last 8k miles.
I'm also going to switch over to AMSOIL synthetic oil for any oil that moves, e.g., transmission, motor oil, gear, etc. I want to make the baby last as long as possible.
Any other suggestions?
What is the best deal I could expect, looking for a black/black combination if available.
If someone could refer me to a good dealer in Northern VA/Washington, DC area for a good price. Looking to buy for $20 K OTD price if possible (inclusive of all taxes/destination/dealer fees/registration/title), what are your thoughts????
Thanks folks. :confuse:
For $20k you can probably get a non-Limited, but a dealer would be waaaaay upside down to give you a Limited for that price.
Try fitzmall.com, check prices there. You're close enough that you could get there easily, and they are no-haggle so what you see is what you pay. I suspect a Limited would be in the $23k range or so, plus taxes.
-juice
Subarus are not really popular down here in the south; at least not the Legacy or Outback. We have our share of the boy racers with aspirations of streetracing their fast and furious imports, and they go for the Imprezas. With this in mind, I wasn't sure what to expect when I started shopping for a Subaru.
I tried to use the internet to my advantage, but they wouldn't give me a quote until I came in. Typical. Most dealerships won't, which is unfortunate. They want to give you their pitch and get you in the door because they know the majority of people will have a harder time saying no once they drive a shiny brand new car around the block.
I got to the dealership around 5pm on a Friday afternoon. I met the sales guy who I'd talked to on the phone, and told him what I wanted.
We went outside to look at all the Legacy GT Limited models, of which he had only a few. SOJ is actually the largest Subaru delaership in the region, but he didn't have a silver, charcoal interior GT Limited with a manual transmission. They called around and located one in Tampa, saying they could go pick it up for me if I left a deposit. I knew I wanted the car, so I agreed. I was lucky enough to test drive it in heavy rain. The dealer tricked me and turned my seat heater on, so I started roasting; asked him to switch on the AC while I was driving. He thought that was funny, but I wasn't so sure about it.
I already had financing secured for 66 months through my company, with an employee discount. I work as a sales rep for Chase, and thought I had a decent rate in 6.48%, because I had a 60 day late on my credit report a couple years ago. I asked the guy at Subaru to run my credit and tell me what they could offer. They beat my employee discounted rate by 2%. Guess who the financer is? Chase. That's strange, but I took it for 63 months.
Then it was time to talk about price.
I had brought in my Edmunds.com TMV report and other various documents. The sales rep wouldn't use my TMV values as the invoice cost, saying that they were wrong. I argued for a while, but he wouldn't budge. His invoice was about $600 more than Edmunds.com lists. I ignored the trade-in talk, and steered away from the monthly payment method of negotiating. I wanted to know the full, out the door price. After financing in a spoiler (the car in Tampa did not have one, which originally I didn't want, but after seeing it on in the dealership, I decided to get one), which they overcharged me on, I ended up paying around $29,500, out the door, including tax, tags, title, etc.
I expected to pay a bit less, but I was happy to be getting exactly the car I wanted, and for 2% less in interest than I walked in with. It ended up costing me $12 more per month than I thought it would (thanks to the spoiler!). I know owe $512 per month for 63 months.
Before I could leave, they made me talk to another rep about how to read the owner's manual, and gave me a ton of business cards and flyers and booklets, which they stuffed into the folder with the manual. Everyone was very nice and agreeable, and didn't treat me like I didn't know anything. They employed the usual tactics; making me wait for 10 minutes or so alone at the desk while they discussed my counter-offers, tried to work the monthly payment angle, tried to charge me MSRP for everything instead of invoice. But they are just like me, living off of commission and doing what they can to squeeze a few extra bucks out of the deal without being dishonest. It took three hours, which kind of sucked, but oh well.
I was much more impressed with this buying experience than I was when I bought my last car, a used 1997 Honda Prelude SH, from a BMW/VW dealership. Those guys were snakes!
Do you guys have a quote for the 05 legacy GT Limited for the Bay Area, California?
Thanks.
Popular equipment package (auto-dimming rear-view w/compass, security alarm)
Spoiler
STi Short-Throw Shifter
I originally emailed the dealership with a request for a quote for just the performance package (Momo shift knob, short-throw shifter, and metal pedals), spoiler, auto-dimming mirror w/compass, and floor mats and was emailed back with a price of $25,995.
When I went in to the dealership yesterday, they didn't have what I wanted on the lot - they had a car without the performance package and with the popular equipment group, so I said OK, even trade, just throw in the short-throw shifter without the momo knob and pedals and they charged me $350 w/ installation for that, so I ended up with a final price of $26,345.
That price above from Beefheart for $24,884 is awesome - I wonder what add-ons it had...
I also got the "added Security" extended warranty of 5 yr/100,000 miles for $1200. They originally tried to get me to agree to a 6 yr./80,000 plan for much more.
I took the incentive ($1800?) and the 4.85% financing instead of the $500 off and the 3.99%. With the extended warranty, the shifter and other options, I took the 63 month loan for $499/month.
The dealership employees were very nice and easy to deal with - not too much pressure. They put my shifter in while we did the paperwork. Overall a pleasant buying experience.
As far as the car goes, I did a lot of research and can't find a better value for your money. The power is good, the handling sweet, and to get AWD and 8 airbags as standard features is something you would have to pay extra for most everywhere else. This car is as good as or better than a lot of other cars you would not be able to get for even close to $30,000.
I am very satisfied with the car and my purchase. It is a pleasure to drive - lots of fun, AND luxurious at the same time. I can't wait for winter to try my AWD in the snow and my heated wipers and side mirrors!
Hope my experience helps any one else out there!
oh, and for anyone looking for an lgt ltd wagon who doesn't mind getting one from out of state (dealer in idaho) there is still a new regal/charcoal for sale on ebay for $26.5k. i'm frustrated it hasn't sold yet and that my wife is insisting on a lighter interior...otherwise i'd have snagged that one. even with shipping it would be cheaper than what i might be able to get locally....ticks me off!!
Nooooo! You're gonna spend $25 grand or so and give it to the lowest bidder?
Buy the one you enjoy more. 7 years from now it won't matter that you saved $200 on this or that, but if you're still smiling while driving it makes all the difference.
Buy the one you like better regardless of price! :shades:
-juice
I really wish I could.. but if you take navigation into account, theres a price difference of about 4,500$ - the Accord coupe being lower. The LGT is without doubt a lot of fun to drive (probably more than the Accord), but then again its AWD is really more of a gas guzzler for someone down in California, and gas prices here are a major pain, especially in the Bay Area. Now, if I were in a place that snowed - say New York or Canada, I would've taken the Legacy without any further consideration.
I'm sure the Legacy will cost more but the difference should be a lot smaller than that.
-juice
lgt ltd wagon, atlantic/taupe, auto
all weather mats, auto dimming mirror, air filtration, rear cargo mat
msrp around 32,200. we paid 27,800 plus ttl (zero additional dealer fees). probably around invoice minus 1700....not the best but ok and saves us a few hours going elsewhere.
-juice
Thanks,
Jim
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