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price: $29,995
destination and delivery $695
Power Moonroof/nav $2,995
XM sat. radio $398
trunk tray $69.95
auto-dim mirror-homelink $250.00
total $34,403
Dealer in NC price: $32,603
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2010 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Limited Graphite Gray Metallic/Off Black Leather
Base MSRP $24,995
Power Mnrf: $995
Auto-Dim Mir/Comp: $186
Appearance Package: $707
Remote Start: $424
Destination $695
Total Suggested Retail Price $28,002
Sales Price: $26008
Taxes/Title/License: $1,520.45
Total Amt: $27,538
Financed @ 3.9% for 63 months.
These MSRP for 27,605 (plus about $380 including tax for the trunk stuff and deflectors and mats), although there are a few around (which are not PZEV at 27,305 +380), I've got two dealers that are "moderately close".
The one quit getting serious when he came down to 25,800, but the other one is down to 25,300.
A buddy of mine got the same car a month ago for 24,500 + 80 for the trunk package (he had some subaru loyalty dollars) plus a 350 document fees. Neither of these will charge me document fees but I don't have any loyalty money. Is there any way to get the loyalty money other than a Chase credit card.
I don't feel I need the exact same deal he got, although I could probably get close to it if I wanted to drive the 130 miles, each way to his dealer.
Comments and ideas please.
BTW, this is a cash deal and I'm not pressed for time.
easypar
Am also curious about your statement, "Is there any way to get the loyalty money other than a Chase credit card." Can one get some cash back with a Chase Credit card? Will appreciate if you can clarify that. Thanks.
You get them in $100 increments as "Subaru Bucks". Then you can use them at your dealer to buy a new Subaru, CPO Subaru, or even parts, accessories, or service. Heck, my dealer's body shop even accepts them. :shades:
I feel pretty good and the sales staff never showed any resentment or tried any of the games that many people complain about. There may have been a little bit more in there, but I didn't feel I had to wring every nickel out, so I'm happy.
easypar
It is a rental but the warranty should ease your concerns.
That was a fairly common model. I'm sure there are plenty around. And while the asking price in the 19s is pretty typical, I'm wondering if anyone actually buys them in that range. (An Indiana dealer has a new '09 SE, although with manual shift, advertised for $18,999. Kolb Subaru in upstate NY has a slew of '09 SEs with low mileage, all well under $19K and one in the 15 range, although none appear to be CPO.) Near the end of the model year, I was seeing new ones for close to 19. Also, how do you know it was a rental? Does it say so on the Carfax or are you relying on the dealer for that information? I'm asking because I've never seen these Subarus in rental fleets. Your car sounds more like a demo.
The CPO is probably worth $1,200-$1,500 based on what Subaru dealers are charging for discounted extended warranties these days.
If you still want to buy this car, bargain hard. I think you can do much better on price.
BTW, I considered a couple of 2009s, for about $20,000 each, but the difference in the size and EPA estimates of the 2010 changed my mind. My Legacy is almost identical in every dimension (as checked on this site) with my 2003 Maxima. I think the smaller trunk on the '09 and the lower gas mileage would have been problems for me.
Good luck.
easypar
It's not necessarily the rock-bottom lowest price you will find, but it's an even playing field, with no games.
I no longer have any idea what counts as a deal for a used Legacy.
Any thoughts? Does the Legacy prove to be as small as she thinks it is, once you've owned it awhile?
I know that my '10 Legacy is almost identical to my '03 Maxima and I'm pretty sure the Maxima was bigger than the Accord.
easypar
1. The back seat is small for adults, especially for long trips. It should be fine for two kids for a while. Any more kids and you need to go larger.
2. The trunk is quite large for the car's size, although it depends on how much room you need for folding crib, etc.
3. While the four cylinder is great for daily driving, it becomes sluggish as soon as you add two adults to the back. And that's without adding anything in the trunk. I recently loaded up the trunk with beer and soda for a party. It was just myself in the passenger compartment and you could really feel that you were hauling around a load.
Husbands have to stick together, but your wife might be right on this one. If you must have a Subaru and/or all-wheel drive, you could take a look at a used Outback, which gives you a little more flexibility, or a new base Legacy, which gives you more room. Truecar.com is showing a good price for a base legacy at around $20,600, so you might have to stretch the budget a bit.
There should be plenty of room for negotiation. As an example, Subaru was offering me around $16,250 for my '08 Limited under its guaranteed buyback program, yet my local dealer is now advertising an '08 SE for $20,300 that was turned in under the same program. When you factor in the differing equipment on the two cars, the previous owner probably got something in the high $15K range. That's a pretty big spread.
Kids take up more cargo space than adults do. Far, far more.
The back seat of the Legacy is plenty big. An Accord's bigger back seat will make no difference whatsoever.
Now go to the trunk - the stroller, the diaper bag, the port-a-crib, the port-a-potty, the luggage, the plastic bath tub thingy, the high chair, etc. Will all that fit?
I say go for a Legacy wagon, especially since they existed until 2009.
Or you could get a new Forester 2.5X. That has a bigger back seat plus more cargo room. Or a base 2010 Outback, also very roomy with tons more cargo space.
My wife wanted a sedan back in 2002, she was pregant with our 2nd. I grabbed our stroller from the Forester, put it in the trunk, showed her it was already full.
She changed her mind, just like that. We got a 2002 Legacy wagon. She traded it recently for a 2009 Forester. Perfect size for 2 kids.
I think there are TWO 05 and 06 Outbacks on Craigslist here and in Denver from private parties and they're $16K and $18K. A friend in Austin just bought an 05 for about $8 or $9K a month or so back, but it was a five speed. Depending on how far you want to drive you may take a look at the places where there is not such a heavy demand for used Subies.
easypar
There's an idea - get a Chase Subaru credit card, and start earning 3% back. Too late to help pay for the car, but you can pay for service with it.
We've had the Forester a year and a half and have already accumulated another $800 in Subaru Bucks. I can pay for tires, accessories, service, whatever.
That directly lowers our ownership cost. It could help you stretch your budget a bit.
The Premium is a great value at about $23.5k nowadays. I know it's a bit beyond your budget, though. A new base 2.5X is right in your $20k range, though.
how much are they knocking off?
it says some people are getting it invoice, but how do I know that invoice is that price they say it is??
the car comes to MSRP with destination at $26695
you think they will take off $4000 off? $3000 maybe?
This is also good for factory ordering on the exact car you want.
http://www.legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58200
they have like boat loads of the 4 cylinders!!
the H-6 is so much fun!!! IT HAS TORQUE!!!
Hopefully the dealer treats you better when it's time for service. Perhaps it was out of their control (the other dealer tried to sell it out from under them).
Sticker $27,486
TruAverage $ $26,131 (local)
Invoice $ 25,823
TrueCost $ 25,019
I felt this was a very good deal if truecar or edmunds is correct about what other people are really paying. I specifically bought because I wanted a car that looked like the Camry SE, but drove like a Honda Accord with Toyota/Honda/Subaru reliability and had AWD and Hwy mileage over 30 mpg. I just sold my 13 year old Impreza OutbackSport for $2000 with 208,000 miles on it and I bet it will go another 100k easy.
I did luck out that the exact car I wanted arrived at the dealership the day after I contacted dealers for quotes and I closed a deal 4 days later. My guess is they got their $26k and they have 90 days still to pay Subaru.
Was this a good deal or a great deal ?
Where are you located and what's the name of the Subie store? I'm sure others who are lurking here will patronize them.
easypar
I was in my local dealer today and my salesman told me that Legacy and Outbacks are flying out the door, but he still said he'd discount a '10 or an '11 for me if my wife was interested in the Outback. Since my Legacy ($2700 +/- off of MSRP) is only 6 months old we're not looking to replace my wife's Lexus for a couple of more years.
Good luck on your hunt.
easypar
From what I've read, I am eligible for any regional dealer and factory incentives. Does this mean that I should get that volume incentive too? I'm not being told that the dealer gets this incentive by my sales rep, so how do I figure it out. Can I actually call Subaru to find out?
Also, I'm being low balled by about $1700 on a trade in. They should EASILY be able to pay it off, but are about $1300 under my payoff. Any suggestions for pushing that number somewhat higher? Thanks in advance.
I am in Southern California. How much should the OTD price be? Thanks.
This is what I am looking for:
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2011 Legacy
MSRP
Base 20995
CVT 1000
PZEV 300
AWP+HK+Moonroof 2790
Destination 725
Total 25810
We've been going to ALL subaru dealers around here. The lowest we were able to get on 2010 Legacy premium with weather pkg and moonroof (CVT) was 22380. I am not sure what the invoice is (~24980) because they ALWAYS showed me invoices that were above our negotiating prices and said they were losing money. Anyway, I think the best way to purchase a subaru car is go to the dealer's website, look at what they have in stock, and get a quote or make an offer if you roughly know how much you're dealing with. That's the way we got ours and I think it's the best way to go.