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Good luck!
Also, does anyone know if any of the car rental companies have the Outback in their fleet? I'd really like to rent one for a few days for a longish trip, see how I like it. Seems like I could make a much better judgment about whether it's the right car for me after that kind of use, rather than the usual 15 minutes to 1/2 hour test drive.
Bob
Oh well, their loss.
Fitz is right off 355 (Rockville Pike). They have a 2nd location up 270, but the Rockville one is closer to you. They are really nice, our family has purchased several cars there.
One bonus - in MD, processing fees are capped at $99. In VA some dealers have $399 fees. May be worth the drive for that difference alone.
Does anyone have a good source to buy the ext warranty Gold 100/7 no deductible and what is a good price? Preferably east coast and not PA. Thanks.
My Subaru: 2010 OB Ltd, Nav, SR, CVT, PZEV, Gold. have owned it >3 mos and 3300 miles about 22mpg overall so far.
Anyway - I have been comparing the Outback to the Passat and think we want to go with the Outback. Have looked at all the dealers' inventory all around the Beltway, and no one seems to have exactly what we want, which is a 3.6 Ltd. with moonroof/nav, auto dim. mirror with homelink (a lot have them with just the compass, but not HL), and puddle lights. Plus splash guards, etc., which I'm sure any dealer could install.
The 2.5s are a lot easier to find, but even in the 2.5 ltds, I couldn't find exactly the package I wanted.
Might have to drive further afield to get what I want, maybe.
I'm not connected to them in any way - except that we bought my wife's Forester there in 2007 and were satisfied. I've also been very pleased with their service dept.
I need to test drive both the 2.5 and the 3.6 to really confirm which version I want.
Adding the homelink is a matter of chaning out the mirror, at distribution center or dealership. Puddle lights are the same AFAIK.
Good luck
easypar
From what I've seen, it looks like dealers really want to keep the price of the Ltd. versions right around $30,000 to $31,000 at most, so there is some slicing and dicing of options to keep the price there. Am I right that if I get the trim line and color I want, pretty much every thing else can be a dealer-installed option?
On the Subaru site they list "options" as moonroof with or without navigation. So those have to come from the factory that way, although aftermarket nav is one heck of a lot cheaper, but so are roadmaps.
The only thing under "accessories" that might be iffy on adding at the dealership or distribution center is the media hub. But since it's possible to fit an aftermarket set up on any car I imagine that maybe all units are prewired for it and it's just a matter of having the usb port installed. I don't really understand this kind of stuff so I could be totally wrong, but it is listed as an accessory, not an option.
BTW, I checked online and found a couple of places (IIRC a dealer in Wisconsin) who sell many of the accessories for less than listed at the Subaru site. I compared my cost of buying and installing myself and used that number in "offset" negotiating with my final dealer. In the end they were so close that I figured I was only going to save a total of about $35 if I ordered in and then installed myself the hood and sunroof deflectors, the splash guards and the cargo nets. For that I just ordered them on the car.
Good luck
easypar
For instance, I want the puddle lights, bumper moldings, splash guards, wheel arch moldings, and maybe the interior lighting system. And definitely want the mirror with home-link. So if I found a car in a color I liked, that had, say, the bumper moldings and splash guards, but not the puddle or interior lights, I could order those and have the dealer install them, right? I'm assuming they would still be under the same warranty in that case.
In doing my research, I'm understanding why they call the top trim line "Limited," because it certainly is! Even dealers with as many as 15 OBs will typically have only 1 or 2 Ltds, often in a color I don't like.
Thankfully I'm in no rush, so I'll wait for something I want. Anyone know if there's a certain schedule when dealers will get more stock, or does it just depend on how well they've sold over the past 60 days or something?
Well, dealers, and manufacturers are in business to maximize profits. Which they do by stocking what sells (or, what they think will sell based on historical data) so they can satisfy customer demand quickly and turn their inventory. Looking at the "dealer inventory" tab on subaru usa's website I agree with your note about not stocking many Limiteds, but I guess they know their market.
I was luck that I live in CO (probably number 1 Subie market in the US) and there is a depot or distribution center in Denver. Even though I initially liked the metallic gray color I decided against it for two reasons; I wanted the lighter interior and a salesman at one store told me it is the NUMBER ONE selling color on the Legacy. Heck, if I wanted to drive what EVERYONE else is driving I wouldn't have been in a subaru dealership.
And yes, if you order any of the "accessories" from the dealer they become part of the total car and are covered by the warranty.
easypar
Wouldn't you be more worried if they had 27 in stock in the exact color and model you wanted? :surprise:
Imagine trying to sell or trade that in a few years. You'll have the same sort of demand.
Since you are in no rush, you might consider "factory ordering" a vehicle to your exact specifications. The accessories, such as door moldings and splash guards (both great accessories to have!), will be added at port and, depending on the price you negotiate, cost less than dealer-installed. Also, you often have to pay installation fees for dealer-installed accessories.
Dealers typically receive vehicles weekly, but "allocation" occurs on a monthly schedule. So, if factory ordering, you can wait as much as 8-10 weeks (assuming a regular manufacturing schedule) depending on when you order and the factory/allocation schedule.
I'm sure it'll take longer for an Outback, as many are already accounted for.
I once took a friend to pick up his new pickup and asked why he didn't take it when he signed the contract. He replied that the dealer was installing a different stereo. I thought "ugh-oh" and told him to inspect the installation job before accepting it. The sight when we arrived was sickening - the dash was hacked apart. He refused the truck. I asked the manager if they used a machete or a chainsaw to install stereos. Weeks later he got his truck with a new dash and instrument panel. The less the dealer does to a new car, the better.
That is an excellent point.
That also applies to after delivery service, except for recalls and warranty work.
In general that's true, but I don't think any of the "accessories" are EVER going to be factory installed.
Splash guards,
wind deflectors
cargo nets,
all weather mats
etc.
I agree having a dealer install an upgraded stereo is pretty much guaranteed to be a mistake. IMO if it's not on the manufacturer's website then it shouldn't be purchased through the dealer, period.
easypar
easypar
Paid invoice price (edmund's #) for the gray OB with nav, PZEV, hitch, remote starter, nets, bumper guard, mats, security wheelocks.
- no doc fees (they had agreed to lower the invoice price by $275 and add the doc fee line which was mandated by law but in the end they left it out entirely)
- had to be ordered and was going to take 4 months. 2 days later they called about one on the lot with the color and nav I wanted. I test drove the same car two weeks before but was "sold" by the time I was ready to buy. They wanted to "move it" as a previous buyer backed out. They would install all OEM options at factory prices! Only catch was that it had 270 miles on it. I didn't feel like waiting 4 months to save 265 miles.
-$100 for new plates/registration and $25 for state inspection sticker. 6.25% MA sales taxes.
Cityside Subaru, MA: Very professional dealership. When ready I used the internet/emails/phone and dealt with "management". Two or three days later it all worked out as I wanted/hoped, and they appreciated the speed to get the transaction done. No pressure/conditional over trade-in, loans, etc as I read about other dealerships around MA.
I was going to get the 3.6R but after test driving both cars the term "adequate acceleration" for the 2.5 was indeed correct. Plus my wife drives it during the week and is lead-footed: 15mpg for our small sedan that is supposed to give us low 20s in city driving!
Picked up the car last rainy Saturday and so far so good. My first Subaru (20 yrs of Honda/Acura) and I could see myself keeping the car for many years. The only thing ridiculous is the horn, which belongs in a moped
Thank you all for valuable data/info. I hope my post helps others as well.
My final advice: do extensive research, search for reputable dealers, deal by email/phone and let them know upfront how knowledgeable you are and what you want. Speed of transactions keeps costs low for everybody. Ordering a car may be cheaper than buying off the lot.
Of course, you're right. I was looking at the Legacy, not the OB. That seems like a good price to me.
easypar
OutBack 2.5 Premium
CVT
All weather package
Floor Mats
Remote Starter
Rear Bumper cover
How did I do?
Here in the front range of CO below invoice isn't hard to get, even on Premium and less loaded models.
Have you accepted delivery yet?
Did you check several local dealers? Do you have more than one local dealer.
easypar
I was just given an offer at this price for the new Outback 2.5 limited with CVT (without tax). The car has remote starter, splash guards, mats, cargo net, auto dimmers. Am I being fleeced?
I've got another offer for a bare-bones Outback 2.5 limited CVT with nothing extra but the floor mats and dimmer/compass for 27,500, but that car, Im told, could be 12 weeks away. Its also the color I like.
the msrp is like $27300..
you think I can get it like $24500?
thanks!
As far as the "bare bones" one you described, I can't believe a 12 week delivery schedule on Outbacks. Although that one represents more of a discount from MSRP. Taking off the remote starter (worth maybe TEN CENTS in my book) is about $424, the floor mats are $69 and the splash guards $129. Auto dimming mirror is standard, btw. The only upcharge on the mirror is for the homelink system.
Other than the sunroof everything else is done at the distribution center or dealer.
I suggest you try the pricing option on edmunds then follow the car buying advice about shopping online.
easypar
I found a 2006 Outback Wagon 2.5 Limited, two-tone silver and grey, in really good condition with just over 49,000 miles - for just under $14,000 including taxes and fees. Heated leather seats, heated power mirrors and wiper, 6-disc CD (no aux jack), auto-dimming compass mirror, dual center console, full-size spare tire, roof racks installed. 21 mpg.
Kelley Blue Book lists the retail price of this car at over $20k, and private-party value at $17,500. I've already test-driven the car and gotten a full maintenance report. The brakes were replaced last summer, and the last major service, other than oil changes, etc., happened at 30,000 miles.
Is this a good deal? Do these cars last to 80k-100k miles without major costly service work? I've been looking for a pre-owned hybrid to eventually do a plug-in battery conversion on, but this wagon fits my needs.
Please advise. Thank you!
1. 2.5i Premium Auto with moonroof and all weather package price = $25996
2. 2.5i Premium Auto with moonroof only. = $25550
3. 2.5i Limited Auto with moonroof = $28553 and yes the all weather is included
How much should I offer? Is there any question regarding any hiden price that I need to ask?
I still haven't decided if I should go with limited with moonroof, which is more attractive to me. :P
Thanks,
My personal theory of car-buying is to buy what you really want with whatever options and accessories you most enjoy, and then keep the thing for at least 7 years, more if possible. You will enjoy the extras more than you will enjoy having a few more bucks in the bank, IF you can truly afford whatever it is you're looking at.
If not, then go down to a lesser car rather than injure yourself financially, and save more than $2k in doing so. $2k itself is just not enough to make that much of a difference either way.
I think I will go for limited as I prefer leather seat.
It is very hard to find a limited one. The dealer told me that it will take about 12 weeks to get.
That website is very helpful!
Looks like I will soon be a new owner of a 3.6 Ltd. with Moonroof, Nav, homelink, security system, nets, moldings, cargo organizer, puddle lights, etc. Azurite Blue over Taupe.
Most of this stuff will be added at the dealer. It comes with a remote start, which I didn't even want, but I'll take it rather than have a long wait for something else.
Car will be coming in sometime in the next week to 10 days. It is "reserved" for me but I did not have to put a deposit on it. We didn't talk price much; he just said yes, he'd be able to get me a better price than MSRP.
MSRP is $36220 with all the goodies. Truecar says "lowest certified price" is $33,390.
Think there's any chance of getting it at close to that price? Or anything in the $33 - 34k range?
Most of what I've seen in my area, and read on here are 10% off of MSRP without any difficulty, and MSRP is high with the 3.6 plus navigation/etc. Unless the dealer has a list of folks waiting for it you should plan on getting that much off. You don't get unless you ask and are "well armed" i.e; ready to walk!
Congratulations.
One combination of options that I don't understand ANYONE ordering for themselves is "homelink" (for garages) with remote start (for pre-starting the engine when it's cold outside). Hence my comment about this being a dealer specced car instead of customer preference. Remote start is second only to moonroof and navigation in MSRP, so it's also the highest profit $$ for the dealer.
I guess I wasn't clear. The ONLY thing that comes on the car when it's delivered to the dealer is the remote start (plus the moonroof and NAV.)
The other stuff is the list of things that *I* want that the dealer will add. It is the only one coming in that's a 3.6 in the color I want, so I said ok to the remote start, and here's what else I want, and he will have to order all those bits and pieces.
It comes with the auto-dimming mirror with compass. I will have them switch it out for the Homelink. If anyone needs a brand new auto-dimming mirror, will be glad to sell one to you.
I agree it's a weird combination to have the remote start and the Homelink together, but I gotta have my Homelink. I suppose the remote start might come in handy if I'm parked someplace and want to get the a.c. or the heat going a minute or two in advance of getting into the car, but I would have been just as happy not to have it.
I can certainly understand that sentiment! But like I said, I wonder if they put the auto start on to pad the ticket?
It comes with the auto-dimming mirror with compass. I will have them switch it out for the Homelink. If anyone needs a brand new auto-dimming mirror, will be glad to sell one to you.
Hmmm, I don't think you actually get the basic one back. Maybe if you ordered it and itstalled it yourself. But where I live that mod is done at the Denver distribution center.
But I gotta have my Homelink.
ME TOO. I consider that one of the best things automotive in the last 10 years. Although for some reason my wife just doesn't have 100% faith in it (we've never had a problem) so she keeps a clicker on the pax side of her car :confuse:
Re getting the original mirror back, yes, I do. I asked if I could get a "credit" for the old one being taken out and new one installed, and the dealer said they don't do that, they just give me the original mirror.
So - guess I can sell it on Ebay or do whatever I want with it.
Even though this car is "reserved," I'm continuing with my due diligence and checking to see if there is a 3.6 anywhere near me coming in with HL, Nav, and moonroof, in one of the colors I like. So far no luck. Obviously that would be preferable, as everything else (splash guards, moldings, etc.) are easy for the dealer to install and don't involve taking anything else off, which does bother me some.