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One little nitpick, the 6 cylinder on the '98 GC is an I6 instead of a V6.
My one driving desire to upgrade to an '05 would be to get the Hemi. But I also tow snowmobiles and live at 6500' elevation so for me the Hemi has some significant benefits over the 4.7L.
Oh yeah, one more thing, I do a fair amount of fairly serious off roading in the mountains of Colorado so I already want the off road package/skid plates/tow package.
If you're just looking for the Hemi, it is required that you purchase some packages you might not want.
Just curious.
Thanks for the information, particularly about the availability of the Hemi engine WITHOUT all the options. After "ozonecat" and I were insulted by "bravest086" ("people are so dumb"), you've offered proof that we're not so uninformed. I was already aware of this when I wrote that the Hemi was a $1,200 option (it's actually $1,245), but I didn't want to get into a "p-ing" contest. My interest in the Hemi (vs. the 4.7L V8) is the Dynamic Handling System (DHS). I've read that DHS will be available mid-year (March 2005?). A writer from another auto website who drove two identically equipped Hemi GC's (one with standard suspension and the other with DHS) wrote that "the difference is dramatic". The DHS offers "sport handling benefits" versus the standard suspension. Before being attacked again, I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with the standard suspension, just that the DHS offers different handling characteristics. My last 2 cars have been sport sedans (BMW 528 & Audi A6 2.7T). An SUV like the GC is certainly not a sport sedan, but if DHS has been designed for sport handling, I see an opportunity to get the best of both worlds with this option. If DHS was available with the 4.7L V8, I'd probably select this engine instead of the HEMI...but it's not. This same writer reviewed the 4.7L engine, and wrote that it was "terrific", and "a paragon of power and smoothness" with "a broad torque band, and a lovely sound". This is a fairly impressive endorsement. In fact, I've done an extensive amount of reading, and haven't seen a negative review about either of these V8's.
I have a couple of questions for you. Do you know when DHS-equipped vehicles will be available? Also, I'm curious what part of the country you work in? Finally, how typical is a deal of $1,200 below invoice before rebates and incentives? Is your dealership unique among Jeep stores in how it does business? Thanks again.
Thanks.
I was quoted ~6 weeks for a custom order from the factory at the same pricing (invoice -1%).
* You don't have to keep the loan and you can write it for any duration. e.g. you want to pay cash but still get the extra $1,000 finance credit so you do a 2 year loan and pay it in full /w the first payment.
We ended up with $500 over invoice plus rebates out the door excluding tax and tag. Got a written guarantee of keeping the $2k rebates upon delivery as well as a written guarantee of "if it's higher, you get it" as well.
The dealer in Missouri was wonderful to work with both over the internet and in person. Now it's just the waiting and I have to go get it. It'll be a tough drive home . . .
Thanks!
Thanks for any advice and info.
Then subtract 3% from that and use that as a starting point with the dealer. Expect to pay about 1% less than invoice when you are all done.
-D
Thanks for the advice
-max28
residual. I am not happy with the money factor of .00283 (6.8%). Dealership says the rate is based on vehicle and not on credit tiers and that is the best rate. I have an A+ credit rating..should I expect a better rate?
I agree with your other reply -- why mess with an '04 for $30k when the Hemi & Quadra-drive + 5 more inches in the back seat are available for just a bit more?
But it's just an opinion . . . .
I just ordered my JGC with a Hemi but I had to add the 4x4 off road package to get Quadra-Drive. But . . .
During the process I contacted Jeep and I got two different answers. One answer was "yes, you must order the 4x4 off road package to get quadra-drive." Then another call said "nope, you get quadra-drive with the Hemi." A third call got door #1, order the 4x4 package. A fourth call got door #2, it's in the Hemi package. It's worse than the IRS.
The dealer has been wonderful trying to sort out the confusion but we finally just succumbed and added the 4x4 package.
Does anyone REALLY know what ordering package gets quadra-drive? The factory reps sure don't.
THANKS!
Having previously worked for Chrysler Financial, I can say that it sounds very odd for someone to tell you they are basing your interest rate on the vehicle and not your credit score. I would be curious to know if the dealership is tacking on a few points for themselves. The Gold Key Plus is a retail account, not a lease. It's just structured like a lease because it has a balloon payment on the end (I think they call it a fixed-value payment), and you can walk away after 24-48 months just like in a lease. I can't say for certain that the process is the same, but when I was there, all retail accounts had interest rates that were based mainly on the buyer's credit score. The vehicle price plays into it because you have to consider what kind of risk the finance company is assuming, but it was definitely not the sole or main determining factor. I'm not sure that helps, but you may want to check at other dealers or question the F&I manager a little more closely.
I stand corrected! I checked with a source and they have changed things on the Gold Key Plus deals since I have been there. The way it is working now is that you get the rate you qualify for, then add 3 points to the rate. Then you would deduct what ever the buy down is (rate reduction) and that depends on the kind of car. The buy downs on the Jeep vary between .50 and 2.00 depending on the car. So chances are your rate will be in the six's if you have good credit.
Hope this helps and sorry if I was misinformed previously.
Thanks for your help in advance.
ksd
This discussion is mainly about pricing and the buying experience itself. For your particular question, you would be better off asking other owners in this discussion:
ed96, "Jeep Cherokee" #1358, 10 Feb 2005 4:29 pm
2. Depends on the money factor. We recommend NOT putting money down on a lease.
3. Could be, depending on what special deals they're running. Depends on the residual value of this vehicle at the 39-month point vs the 36-month point.
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I, too, am waiting for DHS. And I, too, last heard that it would be available in March. Presumably, the Jeeps at the New York Auto Show will have it. I still don't have any idea of what the price will be.
Of course the off road package is really cool so I personally would order it anyway.
traded it in for a 2000Ltd 4.7 with Quadradrive / Black
traded that one in for a 5.7Ltd / Black
Got very lucky. My dealership in Larchmont, NY had a 2002 with only 14K miles. My payments would go up 100$ to 500/month.Only one problem - it was grey. The DAY BEFORE I was suppose to get it - I decided to just go take a look at another place. That day I got the 2005 one - black with chrome 17x7.5s. I still cannot believe Its only 59$ more a month - thank god ofr this because I wouldve lost it if I went the other way.
This truck has some minor stuff going on that are small concerns. Overall - I am blown away by the suspension combined with the linebacker engine. Iam also blwon away by the MDS system. I just but it on cruise and coast away on 4 cylinders - most excellent. The BA sound system is very very very nice - no more Infinity...
I am not thrilled with the plastic but I can live with it. Much more of a grown up vehicle - I am 37 so I think this fits me just fine. I certainly love the stares at the lights and I also love dealing with irritants. I have blown out an jealous FX35 or two ( Ok Ok - they were sixes but hey - I will see a 45 soon enough - esp in Manhattan ) I have also had a run with a kid in an MDX that was fun - but the jeep had its plate full with an X5 4.8i - I can deal with up to the 4.4s but thats about it. But - of course with the fun comes the price you pay at the tank but hey - I am so happy these days I can live with it. The only reason I really got the 5.7L is the MDS - it seems to really work when you chill out on the pedal very nice work Jeep. Well gotta run but I highly recommend this 4x4 - Its more powerfull than most other trucks out there and I am takking it up to Vermont next month to an off road facility and will test her out in the mud - cannot wait.....
i'm looking to buy a car for the first time, all by my very lonesome. i'm totally loving the 2005 GC 4x4 limited. this would actually be my fourth jeep, so i guess i'm pretty loyal to the brand.
anyway, i used the internet option through jeep.com to get quotes from local dealers. 2 of them have quoted back invoice to me ($35246 with my options). my dad (ever the extra-special bargain hunter) wants me to throw back $33200 at them.
my question is, i know it can't hurt ... but are they going to laugh in my face? if they came at me with invoice, what should i have in mind as an absolute highest i will go?
thanks in advance to you all.
Regards
Sorry for any confusion.
If you are a Chrysler employee, the deal they give you is 1% below invoice minus any applicable rebates. I'd shoot for invoice - any rebate - 1-2% of the invoice cost.
Offer them a little bit lower and work up to your target price.
Compared extensively against the Toyota 4 Runner (more expensive for comparable equipment and little wow) and Nissan Pathfinder (nice ergonomics but relatively boring performance). Jeep definitely seems to offer the best bang for the buck, especially when I consider I am looking for a comfortable daily commuter that will really take me just about anywhere when I get the chance to play. Really liked the new Land Rover LR3 or Lexus GX470 but could not justify the extra $15,000 to join that club.
My remaining concern is Jeep's spotty reliability rep compared to Toyota. I don't really expect Jeep to match my current 2000 Toyota Tundra that with 116K that aside from oil changes and one brake job does not know what the inside of a repair shop looks like. My dad traded at a significant loss a 60K 2000 GC in 2003 because of a oil leak the dealer could not manage to locate and fix. Anybody have any luck negotiating a reasonable discount to a Chrslyer extended warranty? Getting one may be worth the piece of mind for a 1st year model.
Toyota 4 Runner gets one more test drive tommorrow and then it will be a done deal one way or the other.
My question: will existing Cherokee 2005 owners like myself be able to add that suspension system to the existing models we have --- in my case, the basic Laredo?
Michael (gordongordo)
I'm sure there is some form of electronic box associated with it and even if you could it would probably be very expensive.
Needless to say I'm just guessing here and your dealer would probably be a better source of information although you are reading this on the internet so it must be true!
Thanks.