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I know several other guys bought this way at almost the same price in June.
Someone mentioned a $500 year end bonus on 2005 models...was that only good until the end of June? If AARP has a discount, does AAA members get discounts too?
Mine came as a "coupon" in the mail, addressed specifically to me. It was actually presented as a Jeep discount (but good on all dodge, chrysler, etc... minus the 300c and other in demand vehicles). It was transferable only to other family members at the same address....
The one piece of junk mail that actually was worth something.
Now it seems my offering was more than reasonable.
Thanks for your post.
Then I get an email last week from the dealership about the employee pricing. I haven't run the numbers yet but should I be pissed off about this? I'm thinking that I could have gotten a T&C Touring w/ leather and DVD for about the same price that I paid for the LX.
I don't suppose there is anything I can do about it now. This my was third car and my first new and at the time I got a good deal but I'm still pissed about this. lol
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The GC SXT has power sliding doors both sides, cast wheels, 3.8L V6 instead of 3.3L V6, fog lights, plus a few others goodies and will cost LESS than either the T&C LX or GC SE Plus if the overhead console and separately controlled temperature for driver and front passenger is added to the T&C LX or GC SE Plus.
DaimlerChrysler has so many different discount and rebate programs that it makes a buyer wonder when to buy.
The original owner of my 2002 T&C LX was not pleased when DC added an additional $1,000 rebate a few months after the minivan was purchased in 2002.
I just want to hear if someone has negotiated a price (without trade-in) that is lower than EP minus trade in this month so I know if I can get them lower. $20,000 might be a stretch, but $20,500 should be OK, right?
BTW, this dealer is offering a Christmas in July deal - pick an envelop of the tree and get an additional $500 - $5000 off. I figure at a minimum, the $500 would cover taxes, tags, fees, and dealer-add ons.
Does the FWD model come with Wireless Headphones for the DVD system, or do I have to listen to the DVD through my speakers? If not included, can I just buy the wireless headphones from anywhere?
I like my 2002 T&C LX but would not have even considered a Chrysler or Dodge without the 7 year 100,000 mile powertrain warranty and the 7 year 75,000 Additional DC warranty that covers almost everything else.
It is the SWB FWD model with a bunch of features I was looking for. MSRP was about $25,000.
I sent e-mail for 4 dealers stating I would like to know the lowest actual selling price of a NEW 2005 GC SXT with no options and MSRP $27,725. NOT one has replied with an e-mail quote.
Salesmen have called telling me to come see what they have while selection is still good as they are just flying out the door. Funny thing, as I check their online inventory, the same ones I specifically asked about are still there.
Meanwhile, Honda salesman gave me NO B.S. and told me their best price (which is not as good as my nephew got last November 30 on a new 2005 Ody EX). When I asked the salesman, he said November is normally a slow month and I too might be able to get a $3,301 discount from MSRP on a cloth Ody EX.
Downside is that my nephew did NOT get the color he wanted. I doubt it is worth saving $1,000 to $1,500 to not get the exact vehicle I want.
My questions are this
1) Is this a reasonable price? 2) From all you experts our their what are the things that I should look out for, any known technical issues with these vehicles. I have been reading a lot on transmission problems with the Chrysler vehicles. I will be buying additional warranty on the vehicle.
As I am buying from a reputable Toyota or Dodge dealership, Do I need an independent Carfax report? ( I ask this as I am from the UK and first time that I will be buying a vehicle in the states)
Finally which of the two vehicles do people recommend? I know the T&C is 3.8 litres and the G/Caravan is 3.3.
Your opinions will be appreciated as well as any advise when I go to test drive the vehicles what things should I check for.
Thank in advance
Neither the GC Sport nor T&C LXi will have the acceleration of a Sienna or Odyssey and DC transmissions have a noticeable whine. However, a used 2002 GC Sport will cost about half the price of a used 2002 Sienna LE or Ody EX. :confuse:
Didn't the salesperson get a manager approval on the deal before you took it and left? :confuse:
Needless to say, I am waiting to see what is available as 2006 models in Grand Caravan, Sienna, and Odyssey. since no more 2005 GC or Ody are being built.
A friend traded in a 2002 Honda Accord for a new 2005 Toyota Camry instead of getting a new 2005 Accord partly because of the longer Toyota warranty.
Apparently your more expensive 04 T&C Limited is not as quiet as my low end T&C LX or the other DC minivans I have been in.
There are many levels of GC SE from very basic to almost as well equipped as the no extra options GC SXT. The base GC SXT is a very well equipped vehicle and is a good deal if you want most of the features standard on the GC SXT.
If you want the separately controlled temperature for driver and front passenger and the overhead console with compass/outside temperature and trip computer, the GC SE will cost about as much as the GC SXT and you will still have far fewer features to include power sliding doors on each side, cast wheels, the smaller 3.3L on GC SE vs 3.8L on GC SXT, cheaper trim on the front doors, fog lamps, radio controls on the steering wheel....and maybe even more.
If you do not want the bucket seats in middle, row separately controlled temperature, cast wheels, the larger engine, etc. you can save $ 50 a month for 48 months by buying the cheaper GC SE. (or $2,400).
After owning a 2002 T&C LX for a year, I would not want the cheaper GC SE as we enjoy having many of the optional features of the GC SE that are standard on the GC SXT.
I would recommend the GC SXT unless your budget suggests getting the GC SE. The seats are identical in the 2 if you get 2nd row bucket seats in the GC SE but you get all the extras in the GC SXT for a bargain price....compared to getting the items as options in the GC SE.
Wow!!!! I think these monthly payments sound really high, even if you're talking Canadian dollars!!!!! I think I saw GC SXT for $189/month here in Detroit for 3 year lease?? I'd keep shopping!!!
As long as you have Stow N Go, I don't think you can go wrong....love mine!! Just got back from Simcoe Ontario camping....18mpg pulling loaded RV and family!! The space and flexibility is great!!
I do have recorded phone messages left by the dealership on my answering machine where he called me back and verified that the wireless system would work with this particular vehicle.
If you have anything in wrinting it should make it easier for you to get resolution. if not, it will be more difficult. I would not be obnoxious with the dealer. I would calmly ask for resolution and I would talk to the GM or owner of the dealership.
Good Luck!!
I ask because my T&C Touring manufactured in June 05 and purchased july 14 began making (or increasing) a variety of noises at about 100 miles (14 miles on clock delivered). These noises got progressively worse until stabilizing at about 300 miles. I just returned from third trip to the dealer (68miles round trip - I sure wish the dealer closest to me had had one in stock with the equipment I wanted). The service manager and I drove mine and also another Touring from the lot, one which I had driven on Monday to prove to myself that I wasn't losing my mind when I was told for the second time that the sounds coming from my car were normal. The service manager says that, to his ears, the Touring from the lot is noisier than mine. Rubbish!
The three primary sources of noise are:
1. The exhaust system. The motorboat sound that only showed as a very subdued sound on acceleration now is a much louder noise that shows up strong at about 1500 RPM and is maddening by 2000 RPM, no matter what road speed. At interstate cruising speeds it is a steady growling, drumming noise that even drowns out:
2 The A/C compressor that whines at lower engine speeds and moans at at higher speeds. At low speeds around town, this competes with the exhaust noise for the most irritating sound. At low speeds and with the A/C off, the third noise is most apparent:
3. The transmission whines loudly in all indirect gears. Neither my 92 Grand Caravan or my 99 T&C Limited had transmissions that made even half so much noise.
Mixed in with these sounds are the sounds from my tires. In the five other DC Stow n Go minivans I have driven or have ridden in, small road bumps at lower speeds are felt, but not heard. In my car, the bumps are heard as well. Tire noise is about what I would expect from OE tires and have been easily eliminated as the source of any unusual noises.
Also, the driver's side window air deflector which I had installed by the dealer makes a rather loud wind noise at any speed over 30 mph. The passenger's side (and all the deflectors on other DC minivans I am familiar with) makes only a soft burble at worst, even though the adhesive strip holding it at the front refuses to stay stuck. The dealer has ordered another set.
About the only way I can think of to describe what I hear from the driver's or front passenger's seats is to say it is as if all the sound deadening materials between the engine bay / front wheel openings had fallen out between 80 and 200 miles of usage.
As of now, It will be August 31 before the regional tech service guy will next be at my dealer. If he gives no satisfaction, I will invite the owner of the dealership, who also drive a T&C at the moment, to drive my car and decide if it is really one he wants to have his name on.
If still no satisfaction after that, I reckon it will be a case of finding some deaf guy who I can unload this car on and hoping that the 2006 KIA Sedona will be better. The 1977 Dodge Aspen I bought new back then was bad enough to put me off Chrysler products for 15 years. This van could be enough to put off them for life!
I attempted to negotiate a lower price on the base model minivan with three dealers in the area and none of them would go lower than this price which is MSRP - Employee discount - $1500 rebate. Did I get ripped off?
I don't pick up the vehicle until tomorrow morning.
Thanks for your help!