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Does anyone know when the 2010s will be out?
Still wondering when the 2010 RAV4s will be out...
However... included in the offer is the following statement:
*** Please note: The offer cannot be combined with the CARS government rebate program. It will be MSRP only with the "Cash for Clunker" Rebate Program!
Basically this dealer seems to be taking advantage of the Clash for Clunker program as well and is pocketing the discount that they would give otherwise.
Has anyone here received a discount IN ADDITION to the money from Clash for Clunker? Thanks in advance.
Check here: http://www.cashforclunkersfacts.com/bill-faq
"Q: If dealers are offering cash incentives toward a new car purchase, would that be in addition to this credit?
A: The CARS credit is independent from manufacturer buying incentives. For example, if a car dealer is offering $3,000 off the list price of a car and you qualified for a $4,500 CARS credit from your trade-in, then the total reduction off the MSRP would be $7,500. You should always shop for the best deals before buying a car.
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It that's the case, then it would seem they will continue that way until the end of the program. I might have to go ahead and take the deal. $4500 is still quite a bit more than the usual $2000 that is offered.
I do not think the program (OUR tax money!) is supposed to work this way, allowing dealers to double dip, essentially took half of the discount from customers.
The best offer I've gotten from a discount-friendly dealer here in Los Angeles (one of largest in the world) is about $300 if you use cash/clunker and about $2000 or so if you don't.
Not sure if it's legal but every dealer in Los Angeles is doing it. And there is some sort of pricing scheme (seems somehow so illegal!) going on since the $300 number has been offered to me by 2 different dealers.
Has anyone is Los Angeles gotten better than $300?
If a dealer doesn't want to give you the price, along with the CARS program, then I'd just shop elsewhere..
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There are a lot of stories coming out now that prices are rising because C4C got more $$$ and the dealerships are running out of cars.
I think the reason Dealers are doing this because $4500 that you get is counts as profit for dealer (i.e they have to pay income tax on $4500). Which i think would be around $1800.
No dealer is going to loose $1800 and offer you other discounts as well.
Guys, this is a game from government. When they say $4500, you don't really get $4500, you only get $2700.
This is a same game they use when they talk about $8000 first time home buyer tax credit. it's not $8000 that you get, you just get $8000 in tax free. I wish people would understand government games.
Other reasons i don't like C4C...
(1) All Car Makers have reduced their rebates in August in all cars due to this program. Because they know there are enough fulls out there who will buy their cars this month.
(2) People like me can't and won't buy car until C4C program ends because we are at a huge disadvantage.
However, if C4C is increasing demand, then actual selling prices may indeed be on the rise.. supply/demand affects prices.
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with 17in alloy wheels
6 cd changer
mats
bluetooth
18.2k otd! w/ cash for clunkers trade in
not sure if mazda was worth 4.5 or 3.5, either way i feel i got a good deal
remember tax in cali is close to 10% :surprise:
$21743 + $218 doc/DMV - clunker $4500
$17461 OTD
this is from McMinnville Toyota, taking delivery of a special order made about 2 weeks ago when C4C started - as of Friday they did not have any new RAVs left on the lot
I want to pay cash for the car, but the dealer, for reason that I don't know whether to believe, wants to structure it as a loan from Toyota Financial, and guarantees that I will incur NO FEE, NO PENALTY, NO INTEREST. In 30 days or so, he stated I will receive a bill from Toyota Financial. At that point, he stated if I pay off the loan, it will be exactly the same as if I pay by cash.
His reason is that they want to be guaranteed payment by Toyota since he's not sure if the clunker program will reimburse. I want to walk because I think there is something fishy and he's trying to make extra money with the financing.
Before I walk, I thought I would check the forum first, since he states this is done frequently without any extra fee to customer. Please advise.
I know dealers are not sure how long will it take to get that big bunch of money from uncle sam, since everyday the major deals are with C4C program.
$16,320 OTD price ( trade-in: cash $4,500 for clunker).
Excellent SUV!
Runing at 26.7 mpg so far most on highways.
Only complaint is back door should be lifeted up, not on the right hand side.
Could you happen to tell me what dealer and person you made the deal through?
I have been trying to get the same specs Rav4 but most dealers are asking for 22k!!
I remember my relative got a Rav4 back in 2007 limited 4x4 4-cyl for 22k OTD!!!
I would greatly appreciate your help,
Thank you
Drew
the First Time home buyers Tax Credit is a "Credit." You get 8k, it's not a 8k tax deduction.
If you make 60k/yr the credit is actually like receiving a 10k pay raise for that year. assuming income tax + 15% fed + ss and this and that. It is a great deal.
I'd make a mention of how he's probably doing this for a cash-to-dealer incentive and throw in some floor mats or something for it.
I did this in October 2008 with my 08 RAV4 LTD loaded, signed for a 12% interest rate (dealer gets an incentive/kickback from it), paid it off in full 4 days later in cash. Got free all-weather floor mats and detailing package to be used within 1 year, reminds me to use that soon.
You can do much better than those lease deals advertised by Toyota, as they are a starting point for negotiations. They only do like $1,000 off MSRP, and then you have to do a huge cap cost reduction to get the payment down.
Is the car you're looking at the Base 4WD or 2WD? 4cyl?
On the 2WD 4cyl plus third row seat, MSRP is 23,240, invoice 22,300. You should be able to do $22,300 at the most, which is invoice, so the dealership makes the holdback + any incentives going on under the radar.
Don't know EXACT numbers, but payment for a 36month lease based on $22,300 sell price with $1000 down, is $265 a month excluding tax. This is with the third row seat.
http://www.carspace.com/bigdadi118/Albums/bigdadi118%27s%20Album/2009_Toyota_RAV- - - - - - 4_lease.gif/page/photo.html#pic
$219 mo w/ 1999 due at signing ($1,130 DOWN) ... should be BASE 4X4 2.5l
thanks
Paul
I went to a dealer in dallas,texas to purchase
2009 toyota RAV4
Model 4430 5-door 4X2 SUV
and this is the price he quoted
Base MSRP $ 21,500 (He refused to go below MSRP for only standard options)
D/P/H $ 855
Window tint $ 319
Mat set $ 199
Rebate $ 1000
Total Selling Price $ 21,873 + TTL
Is this a good price, Please advice, we are a first time SUV buyer
Thanks.
Paul
Perhaps this might be of help to someone out there comparing the vehicles.
Anyone have any idea what knd of price I might pay on a 2010 in very late Sept/early October? I am kind of thinking that I will have pay considerably more because the new model won't be discounted off MSRP, or will only be discounted like $500 off MSRP.
The way I undestand it, Edmunds might not even have TMV pricing for the 2010s at that time, since so few will have been sold.
Well, truth was I made this deal before July 24, 2009.
I assumed dealer would much like to give in to make deal before July 24. Still thought Dealer will make at least more than $800 from this sale on that day. Toyota has $1,000 market assistant to dealer for 2009 RAV4 then.
It's Certified Pre-Owned so it still has the Manufacturers Warranty.
The CarFax looks good. One owner.
21,900 miles
4 wheel drive
It looks great (I think they call is "clean" condition)
Body Style- Sport Utility
Automatic four-speed transmission
has a roof rack
It's listed at $18,700. I talked the dealer down to $17,900. That's higher than I want to pay so I said I'd get back to him.
Thank you for any advice.
This seems crazy to me. Before CARS I read people were getting Rav4's for almost $1000 below invoice. Now they are going for over $1000 above invoice. That is a $2000 swing. I guess the dealerships have us by the balls. I am going to negotiate this price Thursday and if they can't bring it down more I am going to walk right next door to Honda. They really want my business.
The CARS program has given the dealers all the power. Negotiation is tough.
I really like to buy the best quality item availabale and keep it for several years. Like with clothing, electronics, etc., it just pays off in the long run.
On the bright side, someone posted, I think on the CRV forum, that in six weeks or so the C4C should be just about over, or at least widing down, and inventory should be up.
Should I wait till after cash for clunkers or is this an acceptable deal for the Portland OR area?
Thanks
PJ