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Even the exhaust sound on the V6 had a nice snarl to it....nothing approaching the GT, but good nonetheless.
Besides, if I peeled off my shirt while driving, the ceramic color of my skin would have blinded other drivers...... :P :shades:
detailz....talking to my dealer's SM yesterday, he said he expected that the '06 demand to be even higher than the '05s. Only reason, no one knew whether the '05 Mustangs would sell well last winter. That was the only reason I was able to get mine at the X plan price when I bought it last winter.
Now that everyone knows the Mustang is a huge hit, the SM said he's got twice as many orders for '06s than he did for '05s at the same time last year. He's expecting his entire '06 GT allotment to be sold out by Jan 1st '06. He's a "straight-up" guy. He said all '06 GTs will be sold at MSRP. Although, he did say he's got some Steedas and Rousch's on the way, they don't do "additional dealer markup". He said they tell their customers upfront that there is no negotiations on GTs....the sticker is the price. He also said the longest he had a GT on the lot was 72 hours....it was yellow. Most were either ordered, or sold off the carrier when it hit the dealership. He "ebayed" one with no reserve that sold for $1K over sticker. He mentioned he wouldn't do that again since the first two "highest bidders" tanked on him and the eventual buyer couldn't get financing until the F&I guy was finally able to convince a "sub prime" lender to pony up the money at......ready for this.......17% APR. That buyer must have wanted the car badly.
Ouch. :sick:
PLEASE help us out here ..... I am about ready to give up and go to a Charger or a GTO......are these great questions for the "wait times" and "buying experiences" in your postings?????
Ford admitted that 13,000 '05 GTs would not get built. But, much of the ordering "snafus" can be attributable to the dealer's themselves. Customer ordered cars are sold to someone else willing to spend more money for it than the person who ordered it. While I don't think that's right, I've seen it over and over again. Dealer tells the customer who ordered that it's Ford's fault. Well, those 13,000 that didn't get built can be attributable to Ford, but if you ordered 4 months ago, I don't think that's your case. At the very least, your dealer didn't communicate with you the status of your order. At worst, they sold it out from under you.....didin't give you a 10 priority....or, didn't have any allotment left (and conveniently didn't tell you).
While the Charger or GTO are fine alternatives, they aren't Mustangs. We've already beaten to death the differences, so I won't go there.
If you're still in the hunt for a Mustang GT, I'd find a dealer who will order an '06. One who will give you a 10 priority and will give you your VOC (vehicle order confirmation). I doubt any dealer is out of allotment on '06s yet, but I'm not 100% certain of that. If all that transpires, then the first '06s will start rolling off the line next month. I would think that 8-10 weeks delivery would be reasonable if you find an honest dealer.
I think you should be able to get an '06 Mustang GT premium manual tranny, all loaded up for around $28K (MSRP).
On the other hand, GTOs are plentiful. They aren't on any special programs for GM's GTO pricing, so expect to pay around $32K (since GM stated they aren't renewing any employee discount plans). I'm guessing, but since the Charger is just hitting the street, you might find it difficult to get a hemi model at any substantial discount right now. That puts it in that 30ish ballpark, too. There's already a $500 rebate on them, so my guess is they aren't coming out of the starting gate too strong.
Depends on what you want. Do you want instant gratification (get the GTO or Charger)? Or, do you want a Mustang?
What do you use as a guide? Previous Mustang sales?
Do you take the next step and increase those sales over the previous year by a figure based on the increase the last time a new body was introduced?
I can definately tell you what you don't do. You don't predict that Mustang is going to have its best year in over 14 years. You don't predict that demand for the V8 will be at its highest in recent memory. You don't predict that it will take 190,000 to even come close to meeting demand.
YOU DON'T predict that Mustang will sell better than 13 different entire car brands or will account for 2% of the new car sales in the US.
Its easy to blame ford. But if you wanted a new Mustang, you would have done what 192000 other people already did, got your order in early...
Mark
The convertible top process and mechanism is not near as good as the one on my previous 2003 Mustang GT. The 2005 seems to take forever to raise and lower, and it doesn't seem to want to align correctly with the windshield at times.
On a couple of occasions, the driver window has automatically lowered itself after I used the automatic up feature. It's almost as though it hit something on the roof and reversed itself. This may be related to my issue above.
Anyone else having these quirks?
It's funny how we expect perfection from everyone else (car makers, mechanics, doctors, etc), yet how quickly we forget all the mistakes or bad decisions we make. Some people can't get the concept that only hindsight is 20/20.
The current stratospheric gas prices only adds more weight to your already strong argument. I think people blame Ford for making a car that is "too" popular. It is probably one of the greatest all around sports cars in history. It's fast, handles like a dream, even at MSRP is a steal, and looks sublime.
I haven't had the problem with the power windows lowering, but there is some sort of sensor built into the motor to prevent injury during the auto-up function. Something is setting it off prematurely, perhaps a small adjustment is necessary
Besides, if I peeled off my shirt while driving, the ceramic color of my skin would have blinded other drivers......
LOL graphicguy. sooner or later I'm going to have to drive the car on a rainy day. THEN I'll put the top up
By the way, How'd the A/C work? I 'm not even sure where the button is
What I don't understand is why dealers can't give straight answers on manufacturing and delivery status. I have to think there's a computer somewhere that knows when an order came in, how many are in front of it, and how long it takes to make one. With those three pieces, the math should be fairly simple.
That said, I've never worked in the car industry, and may have no idea what I'm talking about!
I do have to say the dealer I used did give me straight answers. Taking the old adage, "Caveat Emptor" in mind, I "verified" what they said via the ERL phone number. In the end, I had the car in 7 weeks (they predicted 8-12 weeks) and below MSRP ($500 military discount and $500 price lock before MSRP price increase). My point is just that there are good dealers out there.
Also.there seems to be some confusion with the 18" wheels offered. I ordered the polished Al. wheels for mine...is this right? or are they "satin" finish; "fan" type at the beginning?
Whenever I drive any convertible I always tell myself I'll buy one. But, in reality, around here, a 'vert is only useful about 6-8 weeks out of the year. Early Fall/early Spring...and a day here & there during the summer. It's either too hot (June/July/August/September) or too cold (November thru the beginning of April).
On a side note, as I put more miles on my GT, it's clearly getting even faster than when it was new. I would imagine if I were to take it to the track, I could hit high 4s 0-60 and mid 13s in the 1/4. Shifter is also becomimg more "snikety" as I put some wear on it.
The more miles I pile on, the better I like this car.
It still gathers a crowd no matter where I go with it. More importantly, whenever I see it parked in my garage or whenever I get into it, it always brings a huge smile to my face. Now, if I could only get strangers to keep from asking to put their butts in the seats and fondling the interior (accompanied by "oohhh....ahhh....nice"), I'll be happy.
But I also have to get this finish and fabric protection for $550. They say it guarantees them for 7 years. Others have told me they can't force me to take anything like that. I know I am paying full price and am ok with that, but maybe some kind of break should be in order. Any thoughts?
That sucks man.
Mark.
Legally he can't force you to take any of this.
Slimey.
If you have ANYTHING in writing regarding an agree upon sales price, let your dealer know that you'll be contacting your State's Attorney General's office to file a complaint.
Some will disagree with me regarding Lojac, but most law enforcement people I've spoken to say it's no more of a deterrent than the standard factory anti-theft devices. The finish/fabric protection is little more than fancy wax. Matter of fact, with $50 worth of wash/wax products and a little elbo grease, I do a better job. What exactly are the terms for the finish/fabric protection warranty? Do they have to reapply it? If so, how often and how much do they charge for the reapplicaction?
Almost any well waxed paint will not fade considering today's finishes. Are there exclusions to the warranty? What are they?
I saw the "tungsten" color at my dealership. They should have it in their '06 ordering guide.
I read a recent review of the Mustang GT. I believe it was C&D and it was their second review. If I remember correctly, they saw results very similar to yours. The 0-60 time dropped from 5.1 to 4.9 and the shifter improved as well.
http://bradbarnett.net/mustangs/timeline/05/06/
Go to the bottom of the page.
The more miles I put on mine, the better it performs. Although I haven't been to the track in quite some time, I'm tempted to do so with my 'Stang GT.
My "buttometer" tells me that high 4s 0-60 and mid 13s 1/4s are possible as the trade rags report, however. While a 1/10th of a second doesn't mean anything on the street, I'd be interested in the trade rags performance figures are on a long term Mustang GT test. I just don't know of any that are doing long term tests.
Even the steering allows me to "point and shoot" holes in traffic quickly.
I can remember the sloppy "rock cruncher" manual trannys and very heavy clutches on V8 cars of the past. The Mustang, while beefy, doesn't exhibit any of that. The shifter is purposeful and accurate, but relatively light. I can snap off shifts very quickly.
Personally, I hate dealers like that. They force you to take dealer installed options you may not want (I can't think of one dealer installed option I would want).
You might want to try a little hardball with them. Tell them the deal is off if they force the dealer installed options on you. See what they say. At worst, they unwind the deal and you don't get the car. Maybe they discount the dealer installed options. Maybe they cave and don't charge you for them. Don't know unless you try.
I have a golf partner that bought the first Mustang GT in the city last November. He wanted it so badly that he not only paid $1K over MSRP for it, he also paid $995 for the "sealant" the dealer put on it. His is a black GT base model. He ended up paying $2,000 more for his base model than I did for my totally loaded GT. His car is always garaged. He had some stains from bird droppings he couldn't get off the paint, however. He took it in under the "sealant" warranty. Dealer refused his claim stating owner negligence. The wording of the "sealant" warranty was so nebulous that the dealership was totally in their rights to refuse the claim.
Many years ago, I was all hot and bothered about getting a 300Z. At the time, the dealer I bought from told me all their cars were PDI'd with paint sealant and I had to pay for it if I wanted a Z. They didn't have the color I wanted, but we struck a deal on one that was coming in. As luck would have it, I saw them unloading the Z from the carrier truck one day. It was the one I wanted. I went into the dealership while they were unloading it off the carrier and stated that "it doesn't have any sealant on it, so I'll take the one you're unloading". They finally agreed. I sat there for 3 hours while they PDI'd it. I also went back into service area and stated to the PDI guys that the car they were inspecting was the one I just bought and they weren't to do apply any sealant (just in case they tried to sneak it on).
I know sealant is a big profit line item for the dealerships, but I've never, ever seen one where it was worth $250, $500, $1,000 worth what the dealership charged.....maybe $100, at most.
The car has about 50miles, and a carfax seems to verify his story. I haven't actually seen the car yet, I'll be driving out to check it out on Friday. Anyone have any ideas about what this guy could be up to? If it turns out he's being honest then this could be a really great deal, obviously still under warranty. Is it possible he's done some major mechanical damage to the car in the first few months of ownership and paid cash to have it repaired? I'm obviously excited at the prospect of getting a great deal on the car, but really don't want to get screwed in the deal. Any suggestions on what to look for when I inspect and drive the car?
Thanks all.
Anything is possible.
I think it should be pretty obvious if the car is "still in the wrapper."
Heck, a car at the dealership can easily have over 50 miles on it. So I say go for it if its what you want.
HOWEVER, personally, at this point, I'd probably opt for an '06 at MSRP rather than an '05 at $2K under.
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If that checks out, it certainly wouldn't hurt to have a mechanic look at it. Although, with 50 miles on it, I'd doubt anything would be amiss.
Even used '05 GTs are going for at or near MSRP (I've had 3 offers on mine for MSRP, and it's 5 months old with 4,000 miles on it).
As q says, I'd probably opt for a new '06, though.....unless you want that Mustang NOW! You certainly aren't going to get a shot at one for less than MSRP. If you keep the '06 for awhile, that $2K you saved (in addition to the inevitable price increase) will disappear in year 4 or 5.
could you please get a hold of Road & Track, Car & Driver, Automobile, and every other major car and mainstream publication to enlighten them with your "pearl" of automotive wisdom? They probably don't even know that. BTW, I would suggest letting the 190,000 2005 Mustang owners know as well.
graphicguy,
I'll see if I can find the article online. I'm pretty sure it was C&D. In fact, MM&FF tested JDM headers and an X-pipe this month and said stock Mustang GTs are getting "Mid-13s" in the 1/4 mile.
mustanglover.....NO GOLD Mustangs. Any Mustang GT....'06 or '05 (if you can find one) is selling for MSRP. That's as good as the price gets (which is good to begin with).
tmtgt....congrats on your new 'Stang. As you already have noticed, you're going to love it.
vp....don't look too hard. My seat of the pants tells me that mine is probably hitting high 4s if I get on it in the 0-60. mide 13 1/4s should be no sweat. A while ago, I posted a video showing a brand new GT tracking at 13.6 for the 1/4. A little break-in and 13.5 should be about right (which is what the trade rags are getting for bone stock, new out of the package is running on their test tracks).
CR (who couldn't launch a car for speed if they were being chased by a tsunami) actually had the worst numbers I've seen. IIRC, I think they were 14.1 in the 1/4 and 5.4 0-60 (which happened to be identical to what they achieved with the '05 GTO). After break-in, R&T hit 4.9 secs 0-60 for the Mustang GT and ran a 13.5 1/4. Most of the other car mags are very close to those times with little or no break-in miles.
I like and avidly use CR, but they look at cars from an automotive appliance perspective instead of a fun and frolic one. They do a great job reviewing Accords, Camrys, and Civics, but not so good at performance cars.
There was a pretty stong rumor running around the various Mustang boards a few weeks ago stating that the 4.6L was really putting out something in the neighborhood of 320HP as opposed to Ford's stated 300 HP based on some dyno runs. That would explain the performance figures we're seeing.
I agree about CR. They don't really like performance cars all that much (particular American iron) and rate them accordingly. I like to glance at reliability ratings, but those don't even give a true picture. It's a pretty safe bet that if there's a Toyota or Honda badge on the hood, CR will like it.
I have experienced the exact issues you have (window automatically lowering itself - passenger window) and difficulty latching the right roof latch (constant). Have wanted to take to dealer but like you and all the others, having too much fun driving it. Tells ya what the weather has been like.
You and everybody else that's got one of these babies is right on, more you drive it the more want to keep driving it.
I do intend to make an appointment and bring it in to try and have addressed. I always have to keep pressing the top up button (even though it's all the way up) to force it close enough that I can grab the top and pull it to align the slot and then force the latch to catch and then turn. Driver side is no issue.
If anybody else has had this have you had luck resolving the issue?