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A couple of years ago, I was fairly certain my next car would be foreign. But with the introduction of the GTO and impending launch of the '05 Mustang, I'm 99.9% sure that I will buy American. It's a good feeling to know that our country's products are going to be competitive in the market place.
Snaker, I love hearing people's opinions, but I'm not so keen on assumptions. Many times you have stated opinions as though they are facts.
As far as the family encyclopedia goes, I'm one of the authors, so I get a free set every year...
No, the 1964 GTO is on the A body, the first mid size cars from GM. Nova and Corviar were compacts at that time.
"GTO looks too much like other Pontiacs". Go get an auto history book and look at pictures of the 1960's Pontiac line up. The GTO had the exact same body as the Tempest/LeMans, with scoops and different taillights. It's as if people think all the 1960's cars sold were only Muscle Cars!
ie: Mazda 6, Focus, new retro Tbird, Escape/Tribute, 99 Mercury Cougar, Contour/Mystique, etc.
It should be noted that the Cougar/Contour/Mystique and Mazda 6 were all built in the Flat Rock plant. Flat Rock isn't exactly known for building high quality products.
Just started yesterday, the Auto and Boat show at the Farm Show Complex in Harrisburg. I am sure you are familiar with it. On the radio ads they highlight the features and do mention in the ad they have the 05 Mustang on display. Being from Pitt you know HBg is a smaller town, so yes the new Mustang is even appearing at shows in small towns. I have heard comments from a few people already who have given their thoughts they like this car. even though most of them never had one before. I have not gone to the show and am not an enthusiast like the folks on here but yes it has had good reviews. I just like the cars and think I will trade mine for the new one anyway. You should drive up and see it in advance if you don't want to wait a few more weeks until your show starts. I actually thought you should have a show first being a bigger city and all, but again I don't know that much about cars.
I just noticed that the new 2005 Mustang will be using DBW, yuck.
Audi has been using DBW for several years now. Their throttle has a nasty habit of waiting 1-2 seconds, before actually applying the throttle, but only sometimes, usually, when the delay will cause driver errors.
I hope GM & Ford makes the DBW response quicker and predictable. The Audi system is terrible, especially on the Tiptronic (Automatic cars).
Don
Do search on the web and you will see. The question is Ford going to make the same mistake as Audi/VW? Even Autoweek mentioned, this recently on the Pasand.
Don
My current car ('03 Lincoln LS V8 Sport) has DBW. So far, it has been 'invisible'. Meaning: No hesitation, delay, or other inconsistencies.
- Ray
Introducing the back of the throttle pedal to the carpet regularly . . .
As a side note, our boat show and auto show are separate animals. In fact, the show season just started up this week with the boat show. Then we'll have a custom car show, the auto show, and finally the home show. I think an RV show is thrown in there somewhere too.
My wife hates this time of year.
So does anyone know if you can delete them from a GT?
Ford made them different because a ton of GT owners said they wanted their Mustangs to look different than the base V6 Mustang. Personally I prefer the way the 2005 GT looks over the base Mustang. I was just the opposite though when it came to the 87 - 93 Mustangs.
Those dates are subject to change of course.
The fact that old GTOs are selling for large amounts at auction (when even sold) may or may not have to do with the fact that they were made in the USA. There are many variables that affect the price of classics (rarity when made, rarity now, engine choices, certain options, mythology, etc.), of which "made in the USA" is but one.
You'd have to run a regression to really see what the effects of the different variables are.
But the question I ask re Australian musclecars and their "authenticity" as such is - Ford and GM have been making Aussie musclecars for about as along as they've been making American ones. But to be a true GTO, it has to be assembled haphazardly and possess the shoddy build quality we assoctiate with Ford/GM domestic production???
Interesting argument.
My point is just that the Monaro is a very high-quality car (and yes, I've actually ridden in one in Australia) that manages to combine all the musclecar power you'd expect, with a *much* better fit, finish and feel than just about anything that comes out of Detroit (from any point in GM's history).
It's also important to note I think that unlike Ford and GM here who are just now embracing the musclecar again, FordAus and Holden have been doing it for some time now. RWD cars with big engines are awesomely common down under...they even have a hugely (think NASCAR level) popular racing series called "V8 Supercars" that's akin to our TransAm Series, but with all the Holdens and Fords. The drivers do commericals for fast food joints... : )
In a certain sense, Australian companies been more loyal to the musclecar than have the orginators. So I think it's more than appropriate that the new GTO be from Australia.
If only GM/Ford would import more cars from Australia...but the UAW will see that that never happens.
How far does your "built-in-the-USA" idealogy go?
What if it was built in the US, but designed by a European team? How about if it was designed by an american living in a different country? What if the transmission was built in Asia, the steering-rack in europe, but the final assembly took place in the US? Would that be "American" enough?
Cars of every market are engineered and designed by non-local people. In fact for ages these people have been jumping from company to company and country to country and have designed cars all over the world.
The various parts for a single model are often built all over the world.
Is "american made" really made in america enough to be called american these days?
Do we have to break it down by percentages?
Seems kinda silly doesn't it?
I had a 67 289 hi perf solid lifter GTA. Engine and exhaust very nice sounds on acceleration. Put on Konis and Pirellis for better handling. Do recall a number of loose nuts/screws in interior of car when delivered that I went over myself and tightened up. Am anxiously awaiting a test drive in 05 GT.
Mechanically, I'm sure the Mustang is great...I just don't care for the looks...awfully dated, isn't it?
A friend of mine had a '69 Mach 1, 351 Cleveland engine with the 'shaker' hood, and I drove it more than he did in the summer of '70. This new Mustang looks an awful lot like that one, it seems to me.
While I like the looks of the '05 as much as anyone, the next model after that hopefully will be something new. Otherwise, there's a danger that the Mustang will forever be stuck in time instead of evolving (as it has previously in its history).
i agree that the next edition of the mustang will present an interesting challenge for ford, but i like the whole idea of cutting out the fox-platform-based years of the mustang.
except for the original version which had simple lines and an appealing boxy shape--especially in the notchback style--everything that came after was in my opinion melted down or tacked-on.
i LOVE the new mustang, and i will definitely buy one in 2006.