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Ford Mustang (2005 and Newer)

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  • ksuwildcat001ksuwildcat001 Member Posts: 97
    I guess it just depends on the person since each person has different taste. I thought the 05 looked better in person than in pictures.

    I want one baaaaaaaaaaaaad. Love the whole exterior design.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 50,439
    when is the convertible supposed to actually arrive at the dealers?

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  • ksuwildcat001ksuwildcat001 Member Posts: 97
    The convert is reportedly coming out 6 months after the coupe.
  • baggs32baggs32 Member Posts: 3,229
    The '05 coupe Job1 date is 9/7/2004 while the verts will begin in January of 2005 (Was February until last week). Depending on what the actual day in January is you probably won't see a vert on a dealer lot until early to mid February.

    It has also been reported that only 175,000 total Mustangs will be built for MY2005. Let's hope that's enough to go around! :)
  • john_324john_324 Member Posts: 974
    Finally the '05 info is starting to come out on the Ford website (I always take magazine stuff with a grain of salt; to me it's not official until I see it on the manufacturer's site).

    No real tech specs yet, but the pics are great.

    And I've got to say that I REALLY like the V6 16" wheels with the spinners...very sharp.
  • setzersetzer Member Posts: 127
    Ford motor sales are dropping, because whatever they have Honda Toyota or Nissan has better. The Mustang is one of the things Honda Toyota Nissan doesn't and cannot compete against. So if Ford wants to bring up their sales, the Mustang will do it.
  • nvbankernvbanker Member Posts: 7,239
    True, but Ford has been neglecting their cars for a while, focusing on trucks. Cars are now on the front burner, and a whole raft of new models are almost here. It should recover a lot of sales for Ford. It will always be a battle though, with Toyota and Honda, for the middle class sedans. Toyota has never had a Mustang competitor.
  • kenm8kenm8 Member Posts: 71
    Recall that in early 80's (I think), Toyota brought out a fastback rear-drive 2-door with straight six named Supra. Previous to that, they sold a fastback Mustang lookalike with a 4 cylinder starting in 77 through 81-82. The early Supra models somewhat resembled 67-68 or 69-70 Mustangs. In early 90's, the Supra pricing and equipment kept increasing (to high 30's or 40K?) and Supra was discontinued sometime in late 90's.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,370
    It was the first Celica c. 1973, that was patterned after the Mustang, notwithstanding the small 4 cyl engine (which contemporaneous Mustangs had as well).

    Gen 1 Celicas came as either fastbacks or notchbacks, just like Mustangs. The fastback Celica models actually bore a passing resemblance to Mustang Fastbacks of the '67-'69 era.

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    To be unveiled at the New York Auto Show later this week:

    http://www.detnews.com/2004/autosinsider/0404/04/c10-111614.htm
  • john_324john_324 Member Posts: 974
    Was it the first-gen Celica that had an availble "sunchaser" option, that amounted to a cool drop-top-and-rear-window thing that was sorta like having a Euro-convertible? That was pretty nifty... : )
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,370
    early Celicas like most early 1970s Japanese cars were pretty bare-bones cars. I'm not sure what this Sunchaser thing was but the Gen I Celicas all had steel roofs.

    I think they may have had some sort of targa-style option in the Gen II (late 70s) cars IIRC.

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    All you had to do was google it (first link):

    http://www.pitt.edu/~chirdon/sunchaser/history1.html
  • john_324john_324 Member Posts: 974
    Looks like I had the right car, wrong timeperiod. : )

    I ran across one of these in decent condition in the mid-1990s on the road...it was pretty unique and stuck in my mind.
  • john_324john_324 Member Posts: 974
    What's the feeling on the quarter windows on the '05?

    They don't look right to me for some reason (maybe I'm just used to the more truncated ones on my 2002)...thoughts?
  • kenm8kenm8 Member Posts: 71
    I also feel the quarter window on 05 not quite right. But, maybe it has to grow on you.

    Doesn't the quarter window go back to the 65-66 fastback Shelby Mustang? It looked pretty good on these models. I recall these were mostly white with a blue racing stripe. In early 67, looked at a used (pre-driven) 66 black (with gold trim) Shelby Hertz. Hertz had a small number of these in their rental fleet. I passed on it unfortunately. Got a new 67 GT with 289 high perf solid lifters instead. Was very nice. Wasn't the Bullit car a 67 with supposedly a Chevy engine?
  • baggs32baggs32 Member Posts: 3,229
    "http://www.pitt.edu/~chirdon/sunchaser/history1.html"

    I shared a locker with that guy for one year in High School!

    He lives about 1/4 mile up the road from me now but I don't recall ever seeing his Sunchaser on the road before. Now I'll have to keep an eye out for it.
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  • rorrrorr Member Posts: 3,630
    The '65 Shelby's where all either white or white w/ the blue stripe. The '65's did NOT have the quarter window in lieu of the louvers/extractors. The '66 Shelby's where availble in a wide range of colors, and, as you've noted, as a 'rent-a-racer' through Hertz (the GT350H cars). The '66 cars were the first street Shelby's with the rear quarter window. The track cars (GT350-R) had (to the best of my memory) an aluminum panel riveted in place of the plexiglas quarter window.

    Bullitt Mustang a '67? Yes.

    Bullitt Mustang w/ a Bowtie? Ehhhhh, no.
  • john_324john_324 Member Posts: 974
    Actually, the Bullitt Mustang was a '68 (with a Ford 390 ci engine from the uplevel T-bird I believe).

    Kenm8, too bad about not picking up that GT-350H, eh? : )

    Of possible interest to the faithful out there: Target has a "checkout stand" (you know, with the National Inquirer and Horoscope mags) digest celebrating Mustang history. It's pretty in-depth, only a few errors and has some great pictures of the Shelbys and Trans-Am Boss Mustangs. Plus it's only like 3 bucks...
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,370
    the small side (rear) window came out with the '66 GT-350, as did a range of colors other than white/blue.

    Race versions (GT-350R) did have it as well if they were based on '66 bodies.

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • rorrrorr Member Posts: 3,630
    You are correct re: the quarter windows. I realize now that the GT350-R I'm thinking of is Walt Hane's '65 model.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,370

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  • rorrrorr Member Posts: 3,630
    yup.
  • peter1cpeter1c Member Posts: 5
    I am a long time mustang fan, but is it just me or does this car kinda resemble an early 80's steched out pinto?????? I really think ford is making a big mistake with this one. What I like in cars is new gagets and electronic devices. Why can't Ford integrate some futuristic electronics into the mustang instead of a boring and plain design! And I have a 2003 mustang, I sat in the 2005, they still dont get the hint about stero ergonomics. You still have to stretch out of position for the radio. How bout some controls on the steering wheel! Anyway thats my thoughts on this car, overall the design and lack of features really bother me.
  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    Then don't buy one. It looks nothing like a pinto.

    What about the color changing gauges? That's not gadgety enough for you?

    Gadgets cost $$$. Mustangs are popular because they're affordable.
  • kenm8kenm8 Member Posts: 71
    Don't you all think that the shortened Mustang 2 of early-mid 70's was closer to a Pinto?

    With the 05, it seems that Ford Company was trying to go back to the "classic" real Mustang fastback of eras 65-66, 67-68, 69-70. The show car that was prelude to the 05 was cleaner and truer to the classic. If McQueen were alive and not so old, he probably would have waited till 2004 to make Bullitt II with the 05 Mustang or 05 show car equivalent.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,370
    Same chassis, and drivetrain. (except V8 versions)

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • john_324john_324 Member Posts: 974
    Re the audio controls, I don't think ANY American car ever quite gets it right. ; )

    Still can't understand those change-a-color gauges...I mean maybe in a VW Beetle, but a Mustang?!

    To me, the '05 styling is mostly '68 GT with a touch of Shelby in it. Ford could have done a lot worse... : )
  • nvbankernvbanker Member Posts: 7,239
    Personally, I love it. But I am amazed at the emotion this car evokes, good and bad, in the fans and non fans alike. That alone is a victory for the car. And FWIW, I love the different color guages!
  • ksuwildcat001ksuwildcat001 Member Posts: 97
    I guess I don't see why anyone has any issues with the color changing gauges. A user can set them to regular green and leave them that way if they really don't want to play with the new technology. It isn't like the owner is forced to change them to all sorts of different colors.

    I love the way the new Mustang will look. I have no idea how anyone could compare it to a Pinto like Peter did. A Mustang II sure was, but not the 2005 Mustang.
  • martin3martin3 Member Posts: 17
    It is nice to see LS folks (Mr. Banker and Mr. Kirby) on this board! As an LS owner also who looks for great American engineering, I must say that the LS has no emotions but it is a great driving machine, however the 05 Stang is an emotional beast with some outstanding engineering work by part of the same team that worked on the LS! Also I wanted 300Hp LS with 5-speed stick and now there is one coming in the form of Mustang. Can't wait to test drive one!
  • nvbankernvbanker Member Posts: 7,239
    I keep hoping that somebody at Lincoln will notice that a lot of us are getting antsy about the end of the LS, and reverse course on that.....
  • tomcat630tomcat630 Member Posts: 854
    I fell out of my chiar when someone said "it looks like a early 80's Pinto"

    Only for six months in 1980 did Ford sell the Pinto, the Escort came along in the fall. So there was no 81-83 Pinto, "early 80s'"

    I don't see any Pinto in it at all!
  • rayainswrayainsw Member Posts: 3,191
    . . the possibility of a new L-M Cougar.

    Why couldn’t Ford / L-M take the development that WAS already done on a higher end Mustang, and create a new Cougar. (OK, probably another name . . )

    Significant development was reportedly done on a mustang based on the LS / DEW98 platform. Take that and develop something that really could shove L-M forward in de-defining the Brand.

    For instance:

    A better suspension, in real world driving than likely will be offered with strut front and live axle rear suspensions. (I have read that the struts were selected partly because of space limitations – in addition to mfg. Cost. I’ll bet Lincoln engineers could creatively address this.) I do understand the ‘drag strip’ = live axle point of view, through I don’t necessarily agree.

    Pull the 6-speed from Jag and add SST – bring Mark K. back to do the software!!!!!!!!!!!!! (And at the same time, sort of 'sneak' it onto the option list for the LS!)

    Make the interior somewhat more upscale in styling and materials.

    Develop specific roofline styling that will allow offering a sun- / moon-roof.

    Etc, etc., etc.

    [The Cougars on the 1994 or so time frame, as I recall, had IRS, for instance. And under the skin, that generation Cougar was largely a Thunderbird, as I recall. Hmmmm . . .]

    Well, if L-M thinks they can make this sort of thing work by starting with the F150 – Why not????

    Ford can still sell oodles of Mustangs in something close to their traditional price range, and L-M can defray the costs of some future mechanical enhancements to DEW98 / LS by spreading the development costs across a larger total sales volume.

    - Ray

    Just deamin’, I suppose . . .
    2022 X3 M40i
  • emmanuelchokeemmanuelchoke Member Posts: 97
    I've owned a couple of G.T.'s, one of them was an 85, the last year of the carburetor. Anyone remember kicking in the 4 barrel, getting shoved back in the seat and that sound, that ungodly sound.
         Anyway, since the 05 is retro themed, a useless but interesting feature would be a program in the car's computer that simulates a 4bbl. Driver could push a button and change the feel from f.i to carbed.
  • rayainswrayainsw Member Posts: 3,191
    "Driver could push a button and change the feel from f.i to carbed. "
    HA!
    That's great!
    Choice to simulate a big 4-bbl - or 4 twin choke webbers???
    And you could 'flood it' - heat soak it . . . simulate a choke stuck open.
    Love it!
    - Ray
    Spent way too long trying to 'tune' sidedraft SU carbs . . .
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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,370
    '86s were a little down on power from '85s with the big carb atop the 5 liter but were much smoother running, esp when cold, and better on gas.

    '86-on Mustangs were widely considered better cars for having EFI rather than carbs.

    If you're looking to simulate that kick in the butt surge when the secondaries come in, try a turbocharged car.

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • emmanuelchokeemmanuelchoke Member Posts: 97
    The efficiency and power of fuel injection with the sound and feel of a 4bbl. The variable valve timing might give a suggestion of this.
  • tayllortayllor Member Posts: 4
    I'm almost positive that my next car will be a 2005 Mustang. I'm ready for a new car but I've decided to wait until the 05 Mustangs are out. I currently own a 1999 Celica GT - I had a '93 Celica before this one. I really love the Celica for many reasons: reliability - I've never had a problem with either car; power - I can always count on it in any situation; style - the 93 and 99 are great looking cars but I'm not wild about the newer model Celicas. Anyway, I think it's time for a change. I've often thought about getting a Mustang (my dream car was a 1966 Mustang convertible - red with white leather interior - ohhhhh yeaaahhh!) then I'd hear about how unreliable they are. But I think I'm going to get a 2005 Mustang anyway. I'd love to hear from some of you car buffs who might be able to offer some insight into how the Celica compares to the Mustang.
    Thanks
  • ksuwildcat001ksuwildcat001 Member Posts: 97
    BMW uses struts in the front suspension on several of their current production vehicles, so a strut front suspension doesn't have to be a bad or low-tech thing. It just depends on how it is designed and set up.
  • john_324john_324 Member Posts: 974
    Celicas are great cars, and in fact were designed originally to be quasi-competitors of the Mustang.

    I like the new Celicas (WITHOUT that horrid body kit), and a GT-S without a spoiler (rare) is a nice sight to my eyes. Very "1960s GT racecar." And the early 90s (?) Celica All-Trac was and still is a really fun car.

    However, 2 things really differentiate the Mustang from the Celica: low rpm torque and rwd.

    Mustang torque is instant and immense; Celicas have to be revved pretty high to bring on significant power. If you like your Celica's power, you will LOVE the Mustang's...

    RWD makes a big difference in the character of the car and how it handles; rwd cars feel more balanced due to the better weight distribution, and they accelerate in a more controlled (i.e. no torque steer) fashion. There's a reason why most Euro sportscars are rwd.
  • nvbankernvbanker Member Posts: 7,239
    Don't forget the Vapor Lock too.....interesting feature to retro....
  • emmanuelchokeemmanuelchoke Member Posts: 97
    Seemed like an easy concept to grasp. I should have known better.
  • john_324john_324 Member Posts: 974
    Okay, let's not get all worked up here...

    While simulated carburation would be an interesting feature and definitely fit the retro feel of the car, Ford would never do it. Very few people would actually purchase it I bet.

    Besides, I'd say there are a lot of other more pressing options to add for the GT. An option independent rear suspension, maybe a hurst shifter option and I hope the 2005 GT does not sport the odd "4x4" look that my 2002 does (current Mustang owners know what I'm talking about).
  • emmanuelchokeemmanuelchoke Member Posts: 97
    Too much coffee, NO sleep. Rough week.
         Just a light hearted suggestion gone askew. I agree about more pressing options.
         Pinto? No, I don't see it.
         Note to self: Lighten up Francis.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,370
    not being a current 'Stang owner I'm not sure what you mean by "4x4 look". Ig you mean the current style is too tall and blocky looking, I'd agree.

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • john_324john_324 Member Posts: 974
    But thinking more about the suggested "carburetor" feel, I do have to say that I'd like it if Mustangs had more of a "lopey" (is that the word?) cam, so that the engine/idle would have that coool old-school uneven sound (cf. Max's orignal yellow Interceptor in Mad Max). I love that. Sadly, they'll never offer that one either... : (

    Re the "4x4 look", hey I LIKE the current styling... : ) What I meant was the oddly large amount of space between the top of the tire and the wheelwell. It's like 3 1/2 inches! The car looks jacked-up like a truck, rather than hunkered down like most previous Mustangs. No one knows exactly why Ford did it for the 1999+ Mustang, but it's a definitely weird look, and the reason why a lot of people replace the stock springs (not to slam the car, but just to get it looking normal...)

    I'm planning on installing a set of Ford Racing's "B" springs to lower my car about 1.25 inches in front .75 in back (a "Daytona Rake", right?)...
  • scarletstangscarletstang Member Posts: 24
    I like the looks - combining nostalgia with a little present day pizzaz. The guages will be fun to tinker with at night. Since I owned a Ford Pinto wagon many years ago, I can safely attest that their is no comparison. That comment must have been a conversation starter.
  • scarletstangscarletstang Member Posts: 24
    There is emotion over the Mustang because no matter what, it is a "survivor." ;)
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