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You might find that you can coast somewhat longer with a 'green' battery than a blue or pink one. That's about it.
The Georgetown launch will be marked by a ceremony in which keys to several of the first hybrids off the line will be handed to distinguished guests. One Camry Hybrid will be driven by the Mayor of Lexington, Kentucky; another by the staff of Kentucky's Environmental Protection Administration; and soon thereafter by rangers in Yellowstone, America's first national park.
Read all about it by clicking HERE
So the Mayor gets a free car eh! Explain to me just how that works. Nah, don't bother. I say let him enjoy it, 'cos when those Camry-laden railcars from Toyota start jamming Main Street Lexington in the middle of rush hour the poor blighter's days in office are going to be numbered !!
So anyway I clicked "Here" and got the Toyota sheet on the Camry. And it has errors. Those who might be slightly interested should go to the Camry Hybrid (now read only) forum # 64 for the more accurate data that dewey posted.
The difference between the two drivetrains put up by Usbseawolf is at #470. My feeble ramblings on Advanced Hybrid Eng... are at #115,116. I see that I need to update them because I hadn't seen the #470 diagrams at the time. Now that I see that there is a second planetary for MG2 the figures from # 64 will make sense.
T2
Sorry to have let you down, and posted it under Prius. Since the general discussion forum was shut down, maybe you could suggest where, under Camry, it should go.....
I drove a Prius today. I went home had my wife
drive it. It has more than enough acceleration for
our San Diego Freeways. I was to 75 before I
realized. So quiet, so roomy ( I rode in the back
seat). It is definitely the car of the future.
Kinda ugly like the VW bug. But for 52 MPG around
town it is beautiful. And a warranty to die for 8 years on the drive train. Toyota wants this car to succeed. I hope it does.
that's pretty funny...... :shades:
I paid MSRP for the car ($20450) and have the
impression that one cannot bargain for a lower
price -- that Toyota is making little or nothing
on the car at MSRP. In California, a $2000
tax rebate is available, I have heard.
I can't find a lot of more references to early prices paid, but you can bet he's not the only person in the USA who got a Prius for $20,450.
I did like it. And thought the price at $20k was fair. Now a loaded Prius in San Diego is $31,725. And no 8 year bumper to bumper warranty. Not such a good deal.
I really thought it was a no brainer with all the fancy gadgets and the 8 year warranty and service. The salesman told me the free 8 years of service was to keep prying eyes out of the car.
Just so you know where I started to lose interest. Shortly there after I ran into a fellow at the Firestone store with a Prius. I asked him how he liked it. All but the tires. He already was buying new tires with a very few miles. Plus they were special order and expensive. Of course the LRR tires have been a real issue on the Prius. To not get 40k miles on OEM tires was not something I would relish.
Delivery, Processing
& Handling Fee:** $620
Total MSRP:*** $26,850 Reno, Nevada
Option Combination #B $970
- 50 State Emissions (FE)
- Heated Outside Mirrors [6] (HM)
- Moonroof Package includes: Power Tilt/Slide Moonroof w/Sliding Sunshade, Dual Illuminated Visor Vanity Mirrors w/Dimmer Control & Rear Personal Reading Lights (SR)
= $27,790 MSRP
Option Combination #C $3,910
- 50 State Emissions (FE)
- Comfort & Convenience Package Includes: Heated Front Seats and Outside Mirrors. (CQ)
- Moonroof Package includes: Power Tilt/Slide Moonroof w/Sliding Sunshade, Dual Illuminated Visor Vanity Mirrors w/Dimmer Control & Rear Personal Reading Lights (SR)
- Sport Leather-Trimmed Seats & Door Trim w/Integrated Armrests & Dual Front & Rear Map Pockets[15] (LA)
- Voice-Activated DVD Navigation System[15] w/JBL® AM/FM 4-Disc In-Dash CD Changer w/Satellite Radio Capability[7], MP3/WMA Playback Capability, Aux Audio Jack, Hands-Free Phone Capability Via Bluetooth®[8] Wireless Technology, 8 Speakers in 6 Locations and FM Diversity Reception
= $30,730 MSRP
People here, in Reno, and others as posted in these very forums, are paying $27,000 for the fully loaded Prius. $25,500 or so for the Option "B" one.
The base price on the XLE 6 Cylinder ICE is $28,440 without additions. The XLE 4 is $25,300, making it comparable in price to the the Prius. This is all from Toyota's website.
If someone paid $32,000 for one, they were an idiot, so eager to buy, the dealership smelled them coming a mile away. They deserved to get rooked. :P
When I was looking into buying a Prius last year, the pricing in California, Palm Desert specifically, were not the inflated ones some people in these forums are talking about, but rather in line with the MSRP's I posted above for Reno, Nevada.
In 2005 I could have bought a Prius for under the MSRP just like thousands of others actually did, and are doing this year.
Thank you,
Jennifer
There are two issues with winter driving in the Prius:
1. The OEM Goodyear Integrities are not winter tires or even acceptable all season tires. They have been called "dangerous" in winter conditions by many owners.
2. The car has to protect the electric drive components from overspinning, and this can cause difficulty in slippery conditions (car will refuse to spin the wheels).
Switching to proper winter tires alleviates these problems, according to most owners.
KAR
Just wanted to report that the Prius held up the best by far! My rear bumper cracked in half, while the front bumper of the Prius had no visible damage at all!
The rear bumper in the Prius had a couple of small dimples, but again, the TrailBlazer's bumper seemed to do worse.
Not bad for a car that got sandwiched.
If you're an Edmunds member I hope you're OK (everyone seemed OK at the scene).
-juice
Dave Hermance
Our first test drive was in Touring-edition Prius as it was the right color and included Package #2 -- and sitting right there on the lot in front of us. Before pulling the trigger we went down the road to the Honda folks and drove the Civic Hybrid which offered a substantially smoother ride. However, it didn't have quite the zip from a standing stop and was a bit harsher getting up to freeway speeds. And, though not really important in the overall picture but odd nonetheless, there is no rear seat center console that lowers nor cupholders.
Again, the color choice and package we wanted in the Civic was on the lot and ready to be bought. But a little bird in the back of my mind said perhaps we should drive the regular Prius first as our biggest complaint with the first drive was the hard ride. So back up the road we went to take out the "regular" Prius on a drive which, to our delight, was much smoother over the ruts and holes I was seeking out around the dealership.
To think that the Touring trim nearly put us off the vehicle is worth noting for shoppers. We live in the mountains and use many sub-standard roads to get around. The Touring's Sport Tuned suspension would have been brutal.
Otherwise, it was almost a coin-toss between to two vehicles both with many positives and few negatives. Perhaps the most influential factor in making the decision was the vehicle stability control in the Pruis, absent in the Civic. With a nice fresh coat of cold snow around Denver I was able to take both cars into big, empty shopping center parking lots and throw them around. The Pruis was clearly the better car in this situation. Honda had better get this technology included in the next version of the Civic Hybrid.
By the way, with our first big winter storm buyers are swithing off the sedans and shopping SUVs -- plenty of inventory in the area for both cars.
What constitutes "acceptable" ride and handling is obviously subjective, and I'm glad that Toyota now offers both.
Now if I travel across the state, there is a dealership who has about 50 available immediately. I would be very happy with package 2. Out the door price at that dealership for package 2 is about $24,000. They would be willing to deliver the car to me.
Is this 2500 market valve adjustment something normal for the Prius?
"Car Buyers Hit Brakes on Prius
http://money.cnn.com/2006/11/29/news/international/bc.toyota.usa.reut/?postversi- on=2006112920
I'd print this out and take it into your dealer and demand MSRP at the very least. Or, walk.
Thanks.
AK
Anyone know what that is?
Thanks
Do NOT Block this vent! The batteries can overheat if there isn't an airflow.
We took a short trip to Snowshoe Mtn WV and after it had been parked at mountain top for a day (4500' elevation and it stayed above freezing) a 'chirp' developed when the brake pedal is depressed (moving or not). At first I thought it was my rubber boot sliding on the pedal and making the noise. Was not that. Very light pressure on the pedal did not cause the noise and did engage the brakes a bit, but depressing it more than 1/2 inch would cause the chirp from behind the dash near the pedal, fairly loud, not coming from the brakes.
The next day as we left the mountain it still made the noise. As time went on (and we got down the mountain) the chirp got quieter and now is gone.
Any thoughts or suggestions?
Gene
In addition to the chirp, the car developed the rough stopping issue also reported by others. It's as though the brakes were grabbing - a smooth stop was not possible by anyone driving the car. The solution for this was to resurface the rotors, and sand/clean the brake pads. This seems like an inappropriate issue for a car with 11,000 miles - mainly freeway driving.
I'm interested in hearing from others who are having similar issues.
I have a friend who's at 36 mo's and 135,000 miles with no issues at all save worn fabric and he's still on his original brakes.
Amid all the recent talk in Washington about raising fuel economy standards, Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A. was quietly trying to work off a backlog of unsold Prius hybrids by offering the first incentives on the fuel-saving hatchback. Seven of Toyota's 12 U.S. sales regions were offering a low lease payment, cut-rate finance deals or cash to the dealer for each unit sold.
Now this year 3 months into the 4th year of this model's life it's acting just like any other vehicle. It's not new, astonounding, innovative or cutting edge. It's just a car. Typically in the final years of a model incentives are the norm rather than the exception. OK the Corolla was an exception last summer but that was due to forces outside the norm.
A) My commute is 75 mi each way, 15 of which is at about 30-40 mph and 60 of which is about at 60-70 mph.
Overall fuel economy for the Prius now is 48.1 mpg ( 51 in summertime and 45 in wintertime )
C) I like the position and the support of this Prius better than any of the other 4 Camry's, or the current one. It's a lot firmer.
D) I do like very much the electric power steering ( EPS ) that the Prius offers. I find it very very precise in handling. It does eliminate 'road feel' but with this smany miles it could float for all I care I have no interest in 'feeling the road'. There is no play in the wheel.
E) With a relatively high profile and somewhat narrow width it is prone to being buffetted in the wind.
F) The Prius will do much better in slower driving situations like suburban or city streets. It can easily do 75 or 85 mph on the highway but I feel that the 1.5L ICE is on the small side for the size and the weight of this vehicle. OTOH the 2.4L in the TCH is better matched to the larger size and weight of that vehicle. When driving on the HWY at say 75 mph it's the ICE that is primarily driving the vehicle.
I switched out of Camrys after 16 years of commuting in them. I think that the Prius is much better than any of the past 4. As your wife notes it is more useful. I've had a 43" flatscreen and briefcase and set of golf clubs in the back of the Prius.
I hated the driving position at first but eventually got used to it after using the same setting as my wife but sliding it back. I had been trying a semi-reclined position ala the Volvo but it was killing my shoulders and neck. The steering wheel does not telescope.
Be sure you test both the Touring and non-touring suspensions as they are quite different in feel, with fans for both setups. To each his own. (We very nearly passed on the Pruis based on our first test drive with one model, but tested again with the other and found it enough to our liking to buy the car.)
Our typical drive is similar to yours though shorter. Five miles of twisty mountain road at 35 mph; 10 miles of county highway at 45; 20 miles of interstate. All downhill one way, uphill coming back. Averaging 45-48 right now with Colorado's winter oxygenated blend and the application of "lips" -- foam inserts on the grill to keep the engine running warmer. (Everything you'd ever want to know about this over at the PriusChat.com "Modifications" forum. Use at your own risk.
I haven't been out and about with the car at speed for any long trips but am continuously surprised at how many of them are showing up at ski area parking lots. Those folks are braver or better drivers than am I -- or have switched to snow tires.
Your wife apparently has vetoed the Camry hybrid but let me add that my brother-in-law just got one and really loves it.
Good luck with your decision, Phil
Putting 3 tons less crap a year into the air,
rbillymac