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Nissan Titan vs. Ford F150
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Is A/C a huge issue where you live? It was brutal that cold day in November when I wanted to check Titan's A/C. But I had to check, we have long hot summers...
A/C is probably my #1 issue in both of my homes, one in Vegas and one in Florida. I usually try to buy my cars in the summer for that reason, to make sure I've got a unit that can keep me cool. It's one reason I've been happy with Fords, they usually have great A/C. The current Town Car is an exception, I've noted in rentals. I keep the Caravan in Florida, and the others in Vegas. A/C is KING for me. If a car has weak or trouble prone A/C, I'll dump the car regardless of loss.
Upon driving both I was amazed at the diference. The Ford felt like I was driving a tank! You could really feel the weight of the vehicle. It did not feel like a 300 HP engine at all. Now I understand all the sluggish comments I have been reading. My wife had similar thoughts after driving it and though it was a good truck for "Sunday drivers"
Then I test drove the Titan right after and felt like I was the pilot of a rocket! Man does it go. You really feel the power when you step on the gas. IMO the Titan blows the Ford out of the water. My wife's comments..."this is a truck's truck. This is what a truck should feel like"
My decision has been made, my next truck will be a Titan. Nissan has done their homework and put together an excellent truck.
And which book is this, since it's totally false. I would question the source of this book since the F-150 ranked #1 highest in long term dependability.
My source:
JDPower and Associates
http://www.jdpower.com/cc/auto/releases/winners.asp?StudyID=749&a- mp;CatID=1
Dusty
I was reading a book called Lemon-aid for trucks and vans. It is published yearly by Phil Edmonston, very respected for his knowledge in the industry. His books are very knowledgeable IMO and are very popular in Canada.
kinda like a super bowl between detroit and arizona. ;-)
Just like GM admitted in the past they had quality problems as well. Just like Toyota admitted they had a sludge problem with their 3.0L V6 engines if not properly maintained. Just like Honda admitted trannies on certain vehicles had issues and extended the warranty, just like Ford had head gasket issues with the 3.8L and extended warranties in them. Your point?
The fact was, this book stated that the F-150 had "astrocious" dependability. And I showed proof it was the actually leader on dependability.
"Ever own a windstar? a Taurus? Are those reliable vehicles? "
No I dont believe in FWD vehicles. But I do know of Windstar and Taurus owner's that have had them for years without any issues. Just view some of their message boards. Just a few bad lemons, doesn't mean everyone got lemons.
" Go back to the F-150 site and read about the brand new 2004 F-150 that completely lost its brakes. Is that reliable? "
Just as one Titan owner mentioned on another car board mentioned his airbag popped unexpectedly, another one is having electrical issues. Point? A few bad lemons, doesn't mean everyone is getting a lemon. Remember, people will complain more often, than to compliment.
"the only reason the ford was ranked that way is because until 1994, the only competitor was chevy"
The Dependability study/report was based upon vehicles from the past 3-5 years... NOT 1994. Yes, the F-150 did beat out the Tundra...imagine that. Of course, some will claim that's unholy and impossible, but the print is there.
You must remember that post keanec, you responded to it.
I will give credit where credit is due. Kudos to Nissan for the nice 5.6. It really does completely trump the 4.6 which is what you get with an apples to apples price comparison. So I will say that Nissan does have a decent price advantage. What I don't see are all of these other huge differences in quality and interior materials. In fact, they seems so much alike. Anyway, Ford gets my vote. Mostly because of its 5 interior variations. Say what you will about the wood trim in the lariat. I thought it was very nice. Just my thoughts folks, peace :-)
Personally, I was all set to get an '04 Crew Cab Lariat F-150, I decided to test drive a Titan "just in case." Thank God I did! If people would drive the two and truly look at the trucks and not the names I think 9 out of 10 would buy the Titan.
jrc_346, the Titan 5.6 is a better engine than the 4.6, but it also blows the 5.4 away as well. Drive them both back to back and you'll know what I'm talking about.
Will Ford sell a lot of trucks? You bet, because of people like my dad and grandpa. They won't give anything else a chance. They're happey with Ford and it means something to them to drive a Ford. They'll defend Ford to no end. Nothing is wrong with that.
If you want the best truck, drive them ALL, then choose from there. Don't just go and get your Next one.
"the F-150 ranked #1 highest in long term dependability."
then you said:
"The Dependability study/report was based upon vehicles from the past 3-5 years... NOT 1994."
how can you call it "long term dependability" when its only on 5 year old trucks?!?! what happens after 5 years? 8? 12?
thats as good an oxymoron as ive heard lately! ;-)
Unless you just want to nit pick every little thing said here. I've been there and done that before you ever joined edmunds. It's easy to build up a mentality that looks for any small notion to berate, but in the end it just gets old and silly. I know you love the truck you sell. Just realize not everyone believes the same as you. In fact some people have trouble trusting salespeople in general. In the end it really doesn't matter. Let the trucks do the talking.
fact is, i sell fords too. im just being logical. these days, where most vehicles go well over 8 years old/100k miles, 3-5 years just isnt realistically "long-term". if you think it is, then you are living in the 50s when it was. i want to know how my vehicle will be when it has 150k miles on it. the study in question doesnt do that.
besides...even at 5 years, the tundra was barely around. the dodge is worthless in quality, so that leaves just 2...(remembering reference to super bowl)
;-)
"And a whole lot of owners must be really stupid. Sorry, its not because of "brand loyalty"." You're obviously not from the Mid-West. Brand loyalty IS what it's all about. Men buy trucks because they're dad drove it, then they drive it. They are proud to be part of that brands family.
Also, I never once mentioned anything about Ford's reliability, I've been around them all of my life and was going to buy one. I however have an open mind and decided to buy the better truck, period.
My last point, for a truck that makes such a "quality and reliable" product how come they can't figure out what's making the truck vibrate so much? Maybe if they looked at the polyurethane bushing it may help. Why is it that Ford uses a plastic and everyone else uses rubber? Did I mention no other manufacturer has a severe cabin vibration problem?
Again I WAS going to buy a Ford, I really don't think it's the better truck, but that's my opinion.
1) Nissan is going to sell some Titans.
2) Somebody, or everybody else is going to lose some market share.
Now, let's hang on and see how much.
BTW, my dad worked for Fisher Body (GM), so I'll let you guess what I drove growing up.
Bowke- At 5+ years there are a whole multitude of things that could contribute to the problems that a car may or may not have. Such as keeping up with maintenance etc.
how can you call it "long term dependability" when its only on 5 year old trucks?!?! what happens after 5 years? 8? 12? "
Read the study, and learn more about how it's composed and what's involved.
Like MidnightStand said..."Unless you just want to nit pick every little thing said here."
Brand loyal, I'm not. I pick what fits best at the time. From the midwest? , yes, I'm from the Chicago metro area (the 'burbs). And actually my Dad drove whatever he could get a good deal on. Not a picky man.
If Fords made such good quality vehicles, then why did I only buy one? Well Bresslers sells 31 flavors and I like to have a taste of all of them. How many carmakers are there? I better get buying or I won't get to try some of them.
Ford vibration, a problem? Do you think this is unique? Look up the data on the Silverado when it came out. The quality issues were endless. Including severe vibration.
Conclusion: If you don't care how it looks, buy the Titan/Armada. Tundra/Sequoia should really look out, because other than the cosmetics, it's 10 times the truck.
And I'm glad to see Chevy was smart enough to figure the vibration thing out, maybe Ford will some day too.
You have driven a lot of different vehicles, what's your next one going to be?
My point is, I see brand loyalty disappearing more each year. Consumers want the most for thier hard earned dollar. And that means changing brands.
Personally I look at a lot more details, especially the items I use most frequently. The door handles(exterior & interior)on the F150's function crudely and feel cheap. The doors/hinge action is clumsy. The turn signal feels and operates like it's off a Walmart toy. I have serious doubts the silver dollar sized ducts can handle real Texas heat. The door handle to center console width is tight. And I'm thin! Finally at least for me(I'm 6'1), with the driver's seat adjusted the B pillar creates a blind spot for left. After glancing at mirrors, I like to look before switching lanes.
Sometimes folks say one interior is better than the other without being specific about what level interiors they are comparing.
Despite the shortcomings noted above with all F150s, I think the Lariat interior is better than the LE. There is a richness or ambiance in the Lariat bordering on Mercury. But then a Lariat is at least $35K on up to $40K.
I think the Titan is better than the F150 at XE & SE levels. All levels of the Titan have solid feeling,smooth action door handles; precise weighted & smooth hinged doors; easier entry/exit; more room for the driver's left knee; nice turn signal; larger air ducts with near silent fan even at high speed. If you get the center floor shifter on the Titan, it is Step-Gated which is a nice feature.
The SE has nice Standard features like power pedals, and leather steering wheel.
On a separate issue, but similar theme: How about Titan's Utility bed! Wow, it's like Nissan actually talked to us athletes and outdoors types. And Nissan listened! Ford has ignored us 20+ years, and Ford still thinks we should be happy to have an empty box?
Just my humble, stupid, late night opinions
The Titan's fold up rear seat (for utility and function) is so much better than the F-150's fold-up rear seat for the following reasons:
When you fold up the F-150's rear seat you end up with a part of the seat frame mounted to the floor, and sticking out, which partially obstructs loading. In addition, on the passenger's side, the jack is mounted where the seat base would normally be in the down position, which is in the middle of the floor. This creates a lumpy load floor on that side. It's not good design, especially when compared to the Titan's solution.
On the Titan, when both rear seats are folded up, there's no seat frame obstructing loading, and the jack is neatly tucked away under the folded rear seat. The load floor is clear and free of any obstructions, unlike the F-150.
Granted, these are small details, but probably very typical of what you might expect in cross-shopping the Titan vs. F-150.
Bob
;-)
Regards,
Dusty
http://www.detnews.com/2004/insiders/0401/27/autos-46671.htm
That titanic is a lot more likely to be sunk than Ford...titans aren't exactly moving off the lots around here...BTW, since your such a Toyota fan...you should know that their quality has been decreasing as of late...
Guess what [insert foregin car company here] fans have been saying for decades?
Comparing Ford quality to the quality of a Ford Tempo? LMAO, that's clearly a very up to date and very portable examination of Ford quality.
Wouldn't this point be best addressed at a general topic named Ford's Current State of Business, than F150 vs. Titan thread?
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