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Nissan Titan vs. Ford F150

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  • ANT14ANT14 Member Posts: 2,687
    Oh don't dramatize the senario, I just stated that the full advantages or dissadvantages of aluminum have yet to be explored. I'm not talking specifically heads, or blocks, etc.etc. I'm talking in general.

    "the only reason they werent used widely 50 years ago is because of the cost and metallurgical technology."

    Thank you, you just reinforced my above reference. Your caught up again.

    "so what you are saying is that you would rather have 120 year old technology under the hood than 5 year old technology? "

    Didn't you just say "the only reason they werent used widely 50 years ago", so how can it now be 5 year old technology ?

    I didn't say anything relating to 120 year old technology (horse and carriage you mean?). I was stating something known in the engineering industry, and as to why a manufacturer would prefer one, over another. It's JUST a preference, don't get all wound up over it....
  • kg11kg11 Member Posts: 530
    All use steel sleeves in the cylinders. Many aluminum engines have suffered catastrophic failure from the sleeves comeing loose. Dissimilar materials expand at different rates when heated, even moderately.

    Yes, aluminum engines and especially heads have been sucessfully used for decades but, ALL of those 200,000 mile stories are cast iron engines.(heads and all)
  • ANT14ANT14 Member Posts: 2,687
    And that's virginal, I've seen some Ford 5.0L V8's with well over 500K miles...
  • dustykdustyk Member Posts: 2,926
    Neither iron or aluminum have the ability to be universal material. Each have there own advantages and disadvantages as someone just pointed out.

    Aluminum engine blocks have the advantage of weight but the disadvantage of manufacturing cost. The strength of an aluminium block is more determined by design execution than just comparing the material. Aluminum used in other components, however, might have a distinct disadvantage with respect to strength. For engine blocks and cylinder heads, corrosion is more an acute problem than rusting in iron components.

    Iron has the advantage of cost and manufacturing ease. It obviously has the disadvantage of weight, but by and large that is the only real significant disadvantage in engine components. Iron blocks generally suffer less torsion twisting compared to aluminum versions of the same configuration. Some aluminum blocks use steel bulkheads cast into critical areas to control axial and non-axial bending.

    Unfortunately, aluminum does not conduct heat as evenly as ductile materials. Heat transfer rate is approximately 30% less than iron or steel.

    The bottom line is that both metals are excellent materials for specific automotive purposes each possessing unique qualities.

    Dusty
  • kg11kg11 Member Posts: 530
    "Strength through weight is a ginnick"

    I refer you to post #110 in "Nissan Titan: Problems and solutions"

    A few posts back I mentioned the possible problems associated with too light construction and speculated that the doors might not fit after a few years of heavy use. Now we hear of Titans coming from the factory that way. There's nothing wrong with trimming the fat but you've got to be carefull not to cut muscle too!

    Them that knows the workin of them truks wont buy one of them puny ones now
    Good luck on this one now
  • boomer1bboomer1b Member Posts: 316
    I wonder if Franklin ever got a ride in a toyota?
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    Don't think Franklin would feel safe in a full sized truck with that Tacoma pumpkin.

    Good luck on this one now.
  • nvbankernvbanker Member Posts: 7,239
    "I remember when the Mazda Miata first hit the market. It was a cute little sports car that the consumers loved. They were selling for 25% OVER MSRP and selling as fast as dealers could get them."

    Must say, I agree with you on this point. I remember the into of the Miata - my boss paid about 20% over sticker on the "gottahaveitnomatterwhatthecost" deal.

    When the PT Cruiser was introduced, I really wanted one for my business to use. But when I saw the add-on stickers, I passed. I just won't pay over sticker for anything, don't need it that badly. And now look at them! Huge discounts are available now. But, since everybody has one now, I don't want one anymore at any price.
  • nvbankernvbanker Member Posts: 7,239
    "I haven't paid attention to Motor Trend's picks since they made the Chevy Vega and Ford Pinto cars of the year back in the 70's. I think they are heavily swayed by advertiser's $$$."

    Oh, c'mon, you know M/T always chooses the newest and most revolutionary stuff to make "car of the year", and they don't have a clue about quality at that point. The Pinto & Vega were both completely revolutionary for US product at the time, and deserved the recognition. Of course, nobody knew that the Vega engine had a 12,000 mile lifespan or that the Pinto would be a fireball if rear ended at 70mph by an Impala at that point, so I can't blame them.
  • foureyes3foureyes3 Member Posts: 165
    Is Motor Trend more accurate or Edmund? They didn't picked the same truck. So, who do you think did the better research. Edmunds has a long term test for their vehicles. They also keep up with safety ratings for the vehicles. Motor trend do have their own tv show. Does that really mean anything? Why do you think Edmund pick the Titan over the F150? Why do you really think Motor Trend really picked the F150 over the Titan? Personally, I like both trucks. I think the F150 is more luxurious than the Titan. The engine is what caught my attention. Luxury is not as important to me as speed and power. I think luxury is meant more for suvs and sedans. Trucks are just simply meant to be driven and used to their utmost abilities. F150 is a very eye catching truck. It looks somewhat bulky from different sides. I guess the extra weight makes it look that way. It is way to sluggish for my taste.
  • nvbankernvbanker Member Posts: 7,239
    I don't think it's so much a matter of "better reasearch" as a matter of preferences. The Titan is perceived as a better value, and if that's weighted highly, it'll win. OTOH, if reputation or capacities are considered, or even looks, the F-150 could win. Just different methodologies the way I see it. The F-150 has been the gold standard of trucks forever, and has been the benchmark for both Toyota and Nissan to match in building their big trucks. The Titan is too new to rate, and Nissan's reputation (and I have one, you know), is inconsistent, and untried in large trucks to this point. Plus, they are having issues with the Titan - not to be unexpected, actually, but something Toyota generally doesn't have.
  • derykfderykf Member Posts: 9
    I see a lot of posts about all the problems Titans have but are these happening in current production or have these issues already been fixed. I have an LE Crew Cab that was built in March and I don't have squeaks, ill fitting doors, brake problems or any of the problems I have seen listed. The only thing I had wrong was a rivet on a rear window controller that wasn't finished off right so it caught slightly in the fully down position. Dealer took care of that no problem. I've got 8200 miles on it and used it to tow and haul. Just haven't had it off road yet but hunting season is right around the corner. Maybe I just got lucky?
  • foureyes3foureyes3 Member Posts: 165
    Well, I don't really know how current they are right now.It's good to hear yours is not given you any real problems. We don't all buy from the same dealership. Some may have better service people that catch these problems before it gets to the consumer.
  • aspesisteveaspesisteve Member Posts: 833
    interesting that I would be commenting on post 911 on 9/11 which as we all know is a day in infamy.

    Ant;
    I just wanted to say that you pretty much delivered a "knock out" blow of information regarding the extra weight and it's worthyness that the F150 carries. Thanks for describing why the '04 F150, in my opinion was the truck to buy.

    goog job
  • 04f150l4x404f150l4x4 Member Posts: 33
    I believe Motor Trend has more weight on the decision on the No. 1 truck, than Edmunds.

    The redesigned Ford F-150 earned the top spot as the most popular pickup with shoppers on MSN Autos for the second quarter of 2004. The F-150 was also the fifth most popular vehicle overall for the same time period.

    The Toyota Tacoma, a consistently popular compact pickup, was second with shoppers for the second quarter of the year. A sporty truck with nostalgic styling, the all-new Chevrolet SSR was third on the list.

    The list of the ten most popular pickups on MSN Autos is based on visits to the site's vehicle research pages during the second quarter, April through June, of the year. Here is the complete list:

    1. Ford F-150
    Ford's half-ton pickup line is redesigned for 2004 with a stronger, bolder look and five distinct versions: XL, STX, XLT, FX4 and Lariat, each with unique styling. Regular Cab and SuperCab versions are six inches longer and the Regular Cab adds rear-hinged panels to access behind-seat storage. The complete F-Series line has been the best-selling truck in America for 26 straight years and the best-selling vehicle overall for 21 years.

    2. Toyota Tacoma
    The Tacoma is in its sixth generation and is now available in Regular Cab, extended Xtracab and 4-door Double Cab configurations. For 2004 Vehicle Stability Control is available as an option on PreRunner and 4-wheel-drive trims with V6 engines. The current Tacoma was designed in the U.S. and is built in the New United Motor Manufacturing, Inc. factory in Fremont, Calif.

    3. Chevrolet SSR
    The SSR is a sporty two-seat pickup that takes its styling cues from Chevrolet trucks of the 1940s, but includes a thoroughly modern power-retractable hardtop for open-air driving. Powered by a 300-horsepower version of the legendary small-block Chevy V8, the SSR design features large flared fenders and a wide stance, punctuated by 19-inch wheels and tires at the front and 20-inch meats at the rear.

    4. Ford Ranger
    Another popular compact truck with MSN shoppers, the Ranger's updates for 2004 include a raised power dome hood, a nostril grille with horizontal bars on 2WD trims, a honeycomb grille on 4WD trims, a new front valance, a rally gauge cluster, and Ford-style steering wheel.

    5. Dodge Ram 1500
    The Ram 1500 was redesigned with bolder, distinctive Dodge styling for 2002, and the famous HEMI name returned to the line late in 2003 with the 345-horsepower 5.7-liter HEMI Magnum engine. For 2004 the Laramie adds a chrome grille surround, a chrome billet grille center, chrome moldings, silver interior trim, and a unique leather seat design with contrasting colors.
    6. Chevrolet Silverado 1500
    The Silverado replaced Chevrolet's C/K pickup line with all-new styling for 1999. For 2004 a new half-ton 1500 Crew Cab is added. All Silverado 1500 trims now include cruise control, power door locks, a chrome bumper and an AM/FM/CD audio system.

    7. Chevrolet Colorado
    The Colorado is Chevrolet's all-new midsize pickup that replaces the S-10 for 2004. The Colorado is larger and stronger than the S-10 and offers Regular Cab, Extended Cab and Crew Cab versions. Power comes from two new engines: the Vortec 2800 inline 4-cylinder and the Vortec 3500 inline 5-cylinder, both derived from the Vortec 4200 inline 6-cylinder.

    8. Dodge Dakota
    The midsize Dakota continues to be popular, with a Stampede package offered for 2004 including monochromatic front and rear fascia moldings, ground-effect side moldings, 16-inch aluminum wheels, wheel flares and a rear stabilizer bar. The new 2005 Dakota is due this fall with a bigger, bolder look, following the design direction of the Ram.

    9. Toyota Tundra
    Toyota's full-size Tundra received updated styling for 2003 and the Stepside Access Cab was added. The Tundra Double Cab debuts for 2004. This year Toyota focused on rear-seat comfort—a rear-seat DVD entertainment system is offered. The Tundra Double Cab features one of the longest beds available for a double cab half-ton truck.

    10. Nissan Titan
    The first full-size pickup from Nissan, the 2004 Titan offers a fresh alternative in the category. Titan features bold styling with available King Cab and Crew Cab trims, powered by a 305-horsepower 5.6-liter V8 with a 5-speed automatic transmission. A unique feature is a factory-installed Utili-track tie-down system in the bed. The Titan was conceived, developed and engineered primarily in North America and is produced at Nissan's new facility in Canton, Mississippi.
  • twinbladesztwinbladesz Member Posts: 104
    Motor Trend they love their long term F150. Well everything except the engine that is. Many of the editors do not see where this new 5.4L has 300 horses in it. I think another reason MT chose the F150 0ver the Titan was its very customizable with 5 different trim levels 3 different box styles. It can be everything for everyone. I'm not much of a pick up guy but both trucks have some great styling. Yeah the new F150 does look more manly and aggressive then the Heritage Model. Although I haven't seen anything more aggressive looking then the Hemi Sport Ram, the thing is huge.
  • nvbankernvbanker Member Posts: 7,239
    I must be missing something. The SSR is a very expensive limited production truck. How does Msn define popular?
  • foureyes3foureyes3 Member Posts: 165
    How often did Edmunds website have hits for the same vehicles? Is MSN website the measuring stick for researching vehicles on the web? How many hits did Motor Trend have for the same vehicles?
  • aspesisteveaspesisteve Member Posts: 833
    rvbanker,

    does Motor Trend have a website listing all their car of the year awards? I'd be interested to see how many of them (hind sight) turned out to be decent vehicles of their time vs. fireball, engine siezing junkers just a few years later.

    wasn't a 'K' car from Chrysler crowned once by MT?
  • bowke28bowke28 Member Posts: 2,185
    yeah...along with the pinto, pacer, javelin, etc...

    the list goes on.

    funny, too...the honda accord has NEVER been MTCOY. its one of the most successful, reliable, long-lasting vehicles ever put on the road.
  • 04f150l4x404f150l4x4 Member Posts: 33
    See the article below from edmunds. This is why EDMUNDS reviews have no weight. The FORD sold more trucks (F150) than Nissan (Titan), therefor FORD F150 had more consumers......Check out the liberal adjectives (burly, massive, innovative). I want to know how much money Nissan is paying off Edmunds to write this..

    -------------------------------------------------
    Large Truck: Nissan Titan
     
     In what has to be called a surprising upset victory, the all-new Nissan Titan edged out the redesigned Ford F-150 for top honors in this fiercely fought category. The Titan's burly V8, massive interior and innovative features helped it squeak out a victory by just 1 percent of the vote (27 percent vs. 26 percent). Such a tight margin of victory shows that Ford's revamped half-ton is still a popular pickup. With its slick interior, numerous body styles and smooth ride, there's still plenty of fight left in the Ford. Further back in the pack were the Toyota Tundra (15 percent) and Chevrolet Avalanche (11 percent), two trucks that prove there's always a market for specialty trucks. Rounding out the list were the Dodge Ram (8 percent), Cadillac EXT (7 percent) and Chevrolet Silverado/GMC Sierra twins with 6 percent.
  • twinbladesztwinbladesz Member Posts: 104
    Has had customers for how long now compared to the Titan? Thats right for a great long time. So yes the F150 is more readily known, and will have a more loyal following. So again the F150 will outsell the Titan no matter what Nissan does for the time being. Doesn't mean the F150 is the best pickup out there. Same as the Explorer is the top selling SUV which I own one. But its not because its the best SUV on the road. Its because its the best known one. Personally I am considering replacing it with either an Armada or a Durango. For the better tow ratings. I dont think Edmunds is taking ad Money from Nissan lol. MT on the other hand lol. But everyone will have an opinion. But if the Titan has the same engine and trans characteristics as the Armada then yeah it will have some good power. Like I posted before although MT chose the new F150 as the TOTY they still have gripes about its power or lack of it. So its not all that perfect. Then again no truck is lol.
  • bowke28bowke28 Member Posts: 2,185
    you MUST be smoking the funny stuff today, dude.

    the f150 is the best selling vehicle in the world. this is not in dispute. but volume has nothing to do with the truck itself. is a kia rio better than a porsche 911 gt3? according to your logic, it is.
  • jcmdiejcmdie Member Posts: 594
    Bowke, Gotta admit, I admire your last 2 posts. Like hittin' that old nail on the head.
  • bowke28bowke28 Member Posts: 2,185
    <---humbly bows to audience...

    ;-)
  • 04f150l4x404f150l4x4 Member Posts: 33
    Most Consumers = Most popular

    Edmunds most popular article is inaccurate.
  • 04f150l4x404f150l4x4 Member Posts: 33
    Lets rephrase your logic.

    Compare F150 vs Titan (same class Truck)
    The better selling vehicals equates to a more popular (better) vehical for consumers. FORD F150 wins.

    Comparing a 911 to Kia (you must be smoking the funny stuff). Need to get into same perspective in vehicals. Thats like comparing F350 to a Titan (NONE)....
  • 04f150l4x404f150l4x4 Member Posts: 33
    And you are very funny. Get on the winning team and buy American (FORD)......
  • bowke28bowke28 Member Posts: 2,185
    first, do some research. the titan has more american design and content than ANY other full size truck, including the super and heavy duty trucks. the main difference is that nissan isnt held hostage by the crooks of the UAW.

    second, im not smoking the funny stuff. i simply used YOUR reasoning to point out that its ignorant to assume that volume equals quality.

    want to know who smokes the funny stuff? look in the mirror. YOU arfe the one that said it.
  • jcmdiejcmdie Member Posts: 594
    With the global economy, I'm not sure what buying American means anymore. See how American you can buy when you buy your clothes or electronics.

    FYI, I drive a Dodge truck, 74% US and canadian parts, 20% Mexican.
  • 04f150l4x404f150l4x4 Member Posts: 33
    The Dodge Brothers built the first automobile with their name on it in 1914 as a 1915 model. Previously the brothers had built all the mechanical parts for the first 500,000 Ford Model T cars. The Dodge Brothers were well known and highly respected in the automotive industry because of the work they had done for Ford, Oldsmobile, and other leading auto manufacturers.

    This World War I Dodge Brother's half-ton Army truck had a body built by the Budd Co. It rode on a 114-inch wheelbase chassis and was powered by the famous Dodge Brothers 212 cubic inch 35 horsepower four cylinder engine. (John Zentmyer)
    From the very beginning Dodge cars sold exceedingly well. The Dodge brothers positioned their car up market from Ford's Model T. It was bigger, had more features, and cost more. Even though many of their satisfied customers begged them to, the brothers adamantly refused to offer a light-duty truck simply because they couldn't meet the red hot demand for automobiles. Late in World War I when the government asked they readily agreed to supply almost 20,000 half-ton chassis cowls, cargo trucks, light repair trucks, and ambulances.

    All you people need to get back to your history books and American culture. Get with the program on what a domestic vehical and where the name orginated. Be a loyal American. Buy Dodge, Ford and Chev....

    I sure what buying American means. But someone of you are misguided souls that take things for granted.

    I don't care that some parts are built elsewhere.
    I don't care that a foreign truck is built in Mississippi.....

    I care about the heritage and roots where these vehicals were invented, the United States....If you do not believe in my value set, then you are bottom feeders look up to me....
  • bowke28bowke28 Member Posts: 2,185
    "I care about the heritage and roots where these vehicals were invented"

    so you want to reward people who died decades ago? sorry, but your post makes no sense. i should buy a ford, dodge, or chevy even though i think another vehicle is superior and fits my needs better?

    you are more ignorant than i thought. try taking the chaw out of your mouth and putting it in your overall bib before you try again...bubba.
  • quadrunner501quadrunner501 Member Posts: 94
    ...if you are making that patriotic argument, that the Japanese, while certainly not altruistic have been more supportive in the U.S. war on terror than the Candian/Mexican governments.

    I looked at one time, now I've forgotten...but I remember that the only truly foreign assembly in the Titan was the 5 speed automatic transmission is made in Japan, the engine is made in Tennesee, and most everything else is also made in Mississippi and USA.

    The big difference though, is that Titan is not union made, not UAW made, which to my way of thinking is a PLUS.
  • iowabigguyiowabigguy Member Posts: 552
    Some people would sound less ignorant if they would use the spelling checker before posting. If you are trying to make a point glaring spelling errors don't help you cause.
  • nvbankernvbanker Member Posts: 7,239
    I will admit to giving some thought to the fact that Nissan is owned by the French these days, who have not been helpful lately, and regardless of where it's made, the net goes back home to Renault, but that's not why I like the F-150 better. OTOH, I do feel the UAW is hurting our auto industry, not helping them any longer, so how's that for a conflict!
  • foureyes3foureyes3 Member Posts: 165
    Well, I am from Mississippi. I have a lot of friends and family that work at that plant in Canton. They say good things about the plant. This company has become a part of American life because of the American families it supports through all kinds of benefits and payraises. They have not move to Mexico or Canada for cheap labor. Their are other foreign car plants that support Americans better than other American car plants. Can you really say what's American? We are all immigrants in one sense or another through our ancestors. The dodge brothers were not originally from America and neither was Ford. The Indians really are the only true Americans raised up in this country and not imported from overseas. Let's get back to discussing the trucks. Ford has an established tradition for being a great truck. The Titan is establishing a tradition for being a great truck. Motor Trend has made some poor choices in the past in picking vehicles of the year. Edmunds also may have made some bad choices. I prefer Edmunds over Motor Trend. Their tests seem to be more detailed and more realistic. Motor Trend seems more of a crowd pleaser. I think in a couple of years Titan and Ford will be competing neck and neck as two great trucks for consumers. Ford will improve because of the competition from the Titan. The Titan will continuously make leaps and bounds towards working to be the best truck on the market. This competition will only make it better for the consumer.
  • ANT14ANT14 Member Posts: 2,687
    (Taking out the Violin)....Oh yes Nissan has done such a great job of building their truck plant in the U.S. (no matter how unreliable the products from there are), to help the american economy, and just help out all the wonderful little people working in that state, so they can all benefit from a better way of life...

    That was the spin, here's the story... The reason Nissan built the truck plant in the U.S. is because there's a 25% import trade tarriff that applies to any foreign owned truck being produced in another country. This tariff was initiated many MANY years ago to protect american jobs. Hence, it makes sense to build the factory in the U.S. not only because of the tariff placed upon the vehicle, but because N.A. will probably be the only market these vehicles can cater to. That's common sense.

    Toyota is also building their trunk plant in Texas for their next generation line of trucks.
  • mccdon1mccdon1 Member Posts: 32
    You sure post a lot. Now even a lesson in history! Thank you. I have read your posts, some are funny, some are interesting, most are neither. I did note that you never talk about the trucks. So far you have labeled Titan owners as Yuppies and un-American. I researched and drove both, the Titan won in the areas I am concerned with. I will not bash the F150 because it is still a great truck, and I feel no need to feed my ego as some people do. Please post something about the TRUCKS.

    Don
  • 04f150l4x404f150l4x4 Member Posts: 33
    I am glad to push your buttons, it makes my day....

    American means: General Motors' GMC, Saturn, Pontiac, Chevrolet, Cadillac, Buick, Oldsmobile; Ford's Mercury, Lincoln and Ford brands, and Chrysler's Dodge, Jeep and Chrysler brands.

    (UnAmerican) Foreign means: Everything else.

    Spell check this, ignoramous....
  • boomer1bboomer1b Member Posts: 316
    Is building a BIG new plant in mexico also......

    Thank You NAFTA !.....Bye Bye to more US and Canadian jobs.................
  • kg11kg11 Member Posts: 530
    Actually, Saturn is a joint venture between GM and (UnAmerican)NISSAN! GM's "Geo" line has been built by (UnAmerican)Kia, Suzuki, Toyota...Ford uses (UnAmerican)Mazda parts in many vehicles and some entire cars were outsourced to (UnAmerican)KIA!...Chrysler's IS (UnAmerican)OWNED BY A GERMAN COMPANY Thier Crossfire is an OBSOLETE (UnAmerican)Mercedes except a little sheet metal.

    Just what does it mean to be American? Pledging alegance to huge multi-national OR FORIGN OWNED companies?
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Member Posts: 9,372
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  • boomer1bboomer1b Member Posts: 316
    AKA the toyota clones were/are built at the NUMMI
    plant in Ca. That plant is UAW staffed BTW.....

    Metro/Suzuki clones are/were Canadian assembled.
    Union ???????????

    Saturn is a GM wholly owned venture. UAW staffed. Nissan has never had anything to do with Saturn.
  • phkckphkck Member Posts: 185
    Well, have been car shopping for a good month. First started out wanting a SUV but have drifted toward getting a full size pick-up.
    I have pretty well narrowed it down to a new f-150 or Titan.
    The whole patriotic American thing is lost on me to be quite honest. They are both built here in the great USA. (In fact last time we bought American (Chevy Suburban) we were a bit suprised it was built in Mexico!)

    The F-150 has the edge because the Lariat is built in the Kansas City area (would love to support my community).

    The Titan is a big bang for the buck. Options like stability control and side airbags are features that I would like to have.
    I, honestly prefer the ride and handling of the FORD but the engine drivertrain is lacking when compared to the 5.6 Endurance.

    The Titan seems to have more than it's fair share of teething problem. And this is the biggest sticking point for me so far.
    I may wait it out until October and see how incentives play out.
  • bowke28bowke28 Member Posts: 2,185
    not ALL the lariats are from KC. some are built in norfolk, and a very few are also mexico and canada.

    all-in-all, some of everything comes from all 4 plants.
  • i006129i006129 Member Posts: 71
    I've been following a little bit of the same thought process lately. Started out thinking SUV but like the utility of the truck better. As for teething problems on the Titan. I've been given guidance that you can tell the difference between older 04 models and the more recent 04 models (ostensibly without the rattles etc.)is by the vehicle id stuck on the interior of the windshield. The newer ones have a computer generated piece of paper stuck on the lower drivers side of the windshield. I personally will be going for the Titan because I believe in Nissan's quality over Ford long term.

    By the way, why is everyone so grumpy on this board.
  • phkckphkck Member Posts: 185
    It is hard to deny the Nissan bang for the buck. But, I prefer the ride quality of the new F-150.
      I wish that the truck manufactures would hurry up and get satelite radio as a factory option.
  • foureyes3foureyes3 Member Posts: 165
    Did not stick to the topic and turned into some type of personal argument about american and unamerican vehicles. I went through the same thought process about my truck. That's some really good information about the computer generated piece of paper. I was wondering how you could tell newer ones from the older ones. Maybe your cheeriness will help lighten the atmosphere.
  • twinbladesztwinbladesz Member Posts: 104
    On the F150 has recently been talked about in MT's 1 year fleet vehicle. They love everything about it except the engine which feels weak to many of the editors. Other then that its a solid truck.

    The Titan gets bashed from everyone about its dash. Looking at both interiors the Lariat would get the nod from me but I dont see anything wrong with the Titans Layout. Both seem to be great trucks. I dont get the American vs unamerican stuff either. This is a capitalistic country. Money and consumers make it go round. Competition forces changes in the status quo. If you are not building a reliable product then your competition will leave you behind. The merger between Chrysler and Benz seems to be going well. Everywhere I go I see a 300 (which has many Benz parts in it) driving by. That is one sweet looking ride.
  • keaneckeanec Member Posts: 349
    the sticker on the drivers door pillar will show the manufacture (or shipped) date. Mine shows 03/04 which means it was shipped in March of this year.
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