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Toyota TACOMA vs Ford RANGER - IV
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I don't know exactly what happened yet but i was climbing in low when the engine reved up and i started to roll back.. i put it back in high and nothing happed either other than the engine reving. So then i carefully let it roll down the hill and as out of the way as i could, then started walking..
this was probably just a fluke but i need to vent a little bit. Just realizing now that even toyotas break now and then. i Would probably buy another one but next time i would go in with the knowledge that toyotas are falable.
Hey, it happens.....it never happened to me....but it happens.
Ok Toyota fans. Had a down and dirty hard hitting race today with a Tacoma V6. Both of us at a stoplight, we knew what was going to happen. For the first 20 feet or so I had the bugger, I figured it was a gearing/torque thing here, after that the 3.4 caught its breath and started to pull away. It was about 1/4 mile and the Tacoma was ahead of me by about a foot maybe a foot and a half at most!! It stayed steady from that point on, noone pulled away, neither did I catch up.
With all this hoopla of the 3.4 and how fast it was I thought I was supposed to be "blown away" as some Tacoma fans say it. This was a down right race here. Granted I was beat, but not by much. Couldn't get my friend with his TRD to race me. Like I said over and over again, I don't believe trucks are for racing, but I just had to see. :-))
Im leaning 50/50 on it.
Even if it WASN't true, all vehicles have bugs in them, some just more than others.
What exactly are you talking about? Granted, I'm no Toyota mechanic, but putting a truck in 4-low will not make the idle instanly jump to 3000 rpm.
PLEASE RESPOND/EXPLAIN
keith24
Jim207 - You didn't hear anything did you, and is your truck manual or automatic? I heard once of someone with a manual pickup who banged the underside of his truck once on a rock while offroading and it somehow bent one of the connecting bodies between clutch pedal and clutch plate. The next time he stepped on the pedal, the bent connector got stuck and even though the pedal returned to the normal position the plate did not re-engage, leaving him with a "my truck is still in neutral" feeling.
And Jim, sorry to hear about your probs, hopefully they will be resolved quickly and you'll be out offroading again soon. BTW, how did you get your girlfriend to go with you? Mine is so scared of my on-road driving she would never go off-road with me...
Vince,
Anyone here is free to post, but not to bully and harass. Watch what you say or imply about me at any of the topics. I have contacted Edmunds about your rantings.
You DID file a NHTSA safety or Technical Service Bulletin did you not? (just kidding). There is one on an older Tacoma Transfer case locking up, but none for the problem you identify.
Your right, sometimes things happen and it could be on any vehicle.
vince:
Well, maybe he was teasing you. . .or it was too close to call.
hindsite:
I like the shock mounting on the Tacoma, but perhaps the shock length may increase travel?!? Couple of good points.
spoog:
As I read the specs/options on the Ranger there are three (3) choices in shocks. Regular, Heavy Duty and Buldge Body. So there are options regarding the suspension on the Ranger. Not, in my opinion, as good as a Billistine or a Rancho, but there are options.
20.2 MPG on the last tank, hauling me, water, my 280 lb. brother and being in 4X low because of mud on the property. Is that considered a gas guzzler as referenced in the article?
By the way there was a positive article in a magazine regarding the Mazda B4000 4X4, twin of the Ranger. I will get some quotes later and post. That magazine was:
Four Wheeler (Aug. or Sep. 99 i think issue).
Is that not the same magazine that ripped, in your opinion, the Ranger (Was it a 3.0, 4.0, offroad equipped, automatic transmissioned truck? So many errors I do not recall EXACTLY what they tested). Anyway, they were very positive on the Mazda, identified it is a Ranger clone and they loved the vehicle. By the way the difference between the Ranger and Mazda is nameplates, grill, bed and differential, the Mazda having a 3.55 differential vs. the Ranges 3.73 and 4.10.
My Tacoma does not do it at that extreme but I still notice a slight increase inRPM in that 4wd range.
As for the the Throttle control arm, it can come loose or break causing the rpms to go extremely high, with no intervention from the clutch or anything. You basically just have to shut the truck down to prevent damage. That sounds like Jimy's problem.
I like the shock mounting on the Tacoma, but
perhaps the shock length may increase travel?!?
Couple of good points"
No. In fact, the Tacomas increased rate suspension provides excellent travel. This is one of the things that makes it excell offroad. The length and setup on the Ranger is negative for trucks in all facets, including offroading. That type of setup is more commonly used on cars.
Like I said C, the entire design philosophy of the Tacoma is for it to be an offroader, and a serious work truck. Things like map lights and make-up mirrors are afterthoughts in Toyota truck design. Just take a gander at how everything is nice and tucked away under a 4x4 Tacoma. Its very nice.
Y2KTRD, I drive a 1998 Ford Ranger XLT SC 4.0 5spd with 3.73 limited slip rearend, offroad pkg, tow pkg, P265x75R16 8ply all terrains. I have a K/N air charger kit along with a chip on the 4.0. It is light blue, has nerf bars, rock guard, linex bedliner, and is optioned to the hilt!
Why??
Like I said MMC, I don't think trucks are race cars. But you Toyota boys like to harp on the HP thing and 0-60 times so much.
CP, don't think this guy was playing with me. I could hear his 3.4 revving up pretty good. Like I said, I was beat, but not by the miles and miles Toyota owners like to dream about.
See you in the snowy hills!
I mentioned the Silverado only becuase i forgot the guys name. It was a nice truck anyways. I would cosider one if i wanted a fullsize, but i don't need one so i wont ever look for one.
smcpherr:
I can only talk her into going if we go for a little hike along the way. Which i like anyways so its never a problem. BUT she didnt plan on that long of hike.
lol!!!!!!!
Vince says " trucks arent meant for racing" yet, he goes and races someone!!!! lol!!!!!
This is the double standard stuff that has been going on here with Vince..and to a certain extent
Cspounser. Neither of them will accept the NHSTA recall, safety and Defect numbers, but they will accept the NHSTA crash test results. Neither of them will accept the perfomrance figures, or the offroad prowess of the Tacoma. These things have been proven again and again and again and again.
I have provided links that even show PHOTOS of the parts of the vehicles. lol! Anyone can see the design philosophy involved.
I do happen to have the supercharger installed. Vince, if you tried to race me in your 160(?? ow) HP truck , you would be a blink in my rearview mirror. Sorry pal, I just have WAY too much muscle under the hood. I have never had a pickup beat me in a street race, ever.
It is kind of fun pulling up to a 2wd v6 Ranger( with a "No FEAR " sticker on the back window) in
my high rolling Tacoma 4x4, and watching the occupant inside rev his engine and look my way at the light. I will then give my engine a little gas( causing it to ROAR), and the occupant of the Ranger will get a funny look on his face. We then race, and he is left literally in the dust as my Tacoma rips down the avenue. Of course after I win I slow back down just to see the look on the faces of the people I leave in the dust.
This Ranger owner had a look of anger and frustration on his face. I have even had people ask me to pull over so they can look under the hood.
Needless to say, this is one heck of a MACHINE.
Whats even nicer is it is all factory. All warrantied, ect ect. Everything is nice and factory looking and not "junked up".
I knew I would catch flack for racing my truck, but I couldn't believe the miniscule difference. All the Toyota fans scream and howl about how powerful the 3.4 is compared to the 4.0.
"Yeah, a 26K+ compact race truck! LOL! Tell you
what, lets see what happens against a Ford
Lighting, or Dodge R/T? or even the new Ford
Adrenalin soon to appear this summer? "
The Ford Lightening is 2wd.....so is the Dodge RT which I would most likely beat. The Adrenaline? Is this even for sale? Let me know when you come up with a vehicle thats available.
See Vince the crazy thing about my Taco is this. Not only does it SCREAM on the pavement, but it's one heck of a 4wheelr as well with the locking differential, clutch start cancel switch, beefy clearance, "Toyota tuck-away" undercarriage, offroad suspension, stabilizer bar ect. You just named 2wd trucks, not 4wd trucks.
My Taco is one heck of a machine.
I bet you wish you had a little more "oomph" under the hood at 7 to 8k feet up in the Cascades don't you? You know horsepower and torque drops CONSIDERABLY at those elevations. I bet your Ranger is chuggin down to 120-30 HP at 8,000 feet.
Who even knows what your torque drops to.......
I bet you would like those few extra horses up at those altitudes. Sure is nice.............
just by putting the truck in low range, the idle goes to around 2000 rpm? maybe your idea of idle and my idea of idle are different.
Stranger things have happened, I guess.......
keith24
Spoog - Again, I am curious why your truck idles so high. Theoretically, it shouldn't happen. In idle, the clutch is not engaged, and the engine has no way of knowing what gear the transmission or transfer case is in. The connection from the engine to the transmission to the transfer case to the differential to the wheel to the pavement should be thought of as a solid link with no slip ONLY when the clutch is engaged. Those of you with manual trannys just try to idle at a stop with the clutch engaged, the engine dies. You just can't do it, a vehicle won't idle with the transmission in gear. Therefore the engine is not connected to the transfer case and DOES NOT KNOW that when the clutch is engaged there will be another gear active in the drive train. Unless the computer gets feedback from the transfer case, which I seriously doubt, there is no reason for increased rpm during idle. At idle, the engine sees no difference between 4HI and 4LOW. Unless there is more electricity needed to run the truck in 4LOW, there should be no rpm difference at idle between 2HI, 4HI or 4LOW.
When looking at tacomas and camrys, I could never get the salesman to budge too much from sticker, maybe a grand. Granted I wasn't in a heated bargaining session or anything. I think this just has to do with the relative scarcity of toyota dealers (compared to ford dealers). They just don't have inside competition. You can't say "I was just across town and Bob's Toyota told me they'd give me the car for $xx,xxx." There just isn't a dealer 10mins down the road.
do you know what your truck is supposed to run in the 1/4? i have plenty of street battles under my belt and i have surprised alot of people with my truck!(i had a 97 before my current taco w/5spd,v6
and went 16.5 at 81 mph at my local drag strip)
oh ya i beat the kid next to me in a probe GT v6
he went 17.1
I new I was going to catch a bunch of flack for mentioning that bought. I don't race my truck, I use it as a truck. If I wanted to race I would have bought a Mustang GT 4.9 5spd.
Spoog, Lightings don't sell for 30K. They sell for 24K-26K if your good at negotiating. And you are once again way to over confident my friend. Check the 0-60 times of the Lighting again.
You keep mentioning this loss of power at high elevations. I guess you forgot where I live and play. Cascade Mountain Range ring a bell? MT Hood? MT St Helens? MT Rainer? ring a bell? I have never had any problems with loss of power. Granted, I will admit I lose some but not enough to dog me down so and can't trail. And I guess this would mean the Toyota drops down to about 150HP at 8,000 ft spoog? And I notice you dodged the picture question. You don't own it spoog, just admit it.
Everyone knows the Ranger is less expensive. My Ranger loaded in 1998 was 19.6K. No way I could touch a Tacoma like optioned for less than 23K. I know I priced them out at 3 different dealerships. Toyota dealers don't like to deal, they don't feel they have to. I visit other sites around the net and get this story all the time. Toyota better watch it, this may shoot them in the foot.
Well spoog, one thing for sure, and I do mean for sure. Regardless of any hp loss in altitude I will be there in the mountains, having as much fun as the next guy in my Ranger. It has been there and done that with pictures to prove it. I back out of my garage in the morning at a higher altitude than most people posting on this board.
There was a post today on a Ford 4.0 engine board from a person that has a supercharged Explorer. Seems she feels it is not necessary for a 4X as the charger does not kick in over 3000 rpm's.
http://www.fordranger.com/4l/3937.html
Now I have read about Gloria in a few 4X4 magazines and unlike some people she is published and well respected and I know she is real.
So what advantage is your supercharger while 4 wheeling? Does the TRD work differently because when I am 4 wheeling, rarely do I exceed 3000 rpm. Just curious spoog. Usually I am at 1000-3000 rpm where a supercharger would not be operating.
Ordered my 600MHz Dell today so should be over having to use this type of posting in a week or so.
.........see how easy that is??????????
Perhaps you have learned your lesson from the Ranger purchase. Remember DELL is a bit more expensive than other brands...but you get what you pay for, right Cspousner?
Cspounser writes:
"I back out of
my garage in the morning at a higher altitude than
most people posting on this board."
No kidding. Your house and land are probably at a higher elevation than most people have ever been.
True story- I had to clear my property out, so I went to rent a 4x4 Ranger at Budget, the first one wouldn't go into drive, the second one slipped as soon as I got to the light. The third one finally worked until I got to the property, I stopped and put it in park, switched it to low 4x4 and started doing the work. The next day it didn't want to go into 4x4 until about the 4th try and by the end of the day gave out altogether.
My friends with 4x4 Rangers tell me they've been taking theirs's to the dealers for the same type of problems and finally they've just had to give up and get something else....These are brand new Rangers, so as I said, as soon as they come up with something that doesn't break down.....
Sorry Jim, I haven't had any offroad problems yet, but i will add this. About a month ago i did have a problem where after "Goosing" the throttle my truck seemed to die. It was running, but when hitting the throttle not much happend. Toyota looked at it and found no problems. They recommended switching gas sations for awhile (Bad Gas) and having done that i have had no problems. Yours is probably something different, but you may consider where your getting your gas. Please let me know what Toyota says...
Thanks in Advance
-wsn
By the way, Gloria has a Tacoma articulation beat by JUST a tad(as well as my Ranger). . .
Http://www.fordranger.com/offroad/25583.html
Was this not the same type of Explorer that you think is not good with AWD?
also i'm sure glad it wasn't a turbo model cause
those things fly!...a buddy of mine used to own one back in the day and he went 15.3 with it stock!
http://rangerpowersports.com/mods/performance/superchargers.shtml
Anyways, I've never had 4x4 engagement probs on my '98 ranger. I have heard of people having problems engaging 4wd on 6+ year old trucks. I'd bet that 90% of these probs are due to neglect. You'll hear "It was working fine last year, but it won't engage this winter." Hmmm... You don't use/maintain it for a year (on an older truck) and just expect it to work flawlessly???
Of course, if thats your thing, by all means go for it.
Lets not also forget that although you can add and add aftermarket parts to a vehicle, you are still going to have the same vehicle desing underneath all the goodies........
Im sorry but you ar sadly mistaken if you lump me in with Vince. Vince has added nothing but Heresay and myth-spreading, with the occasional "buddy story" thrown in.
I have provided solid link after link, number after number SUFFICIENTLY backing up my claims.
I DID answer your comments concerning the clutch/cancel switch and the aftermarket locker add-on's.
My point was that while the aftermarket add-ons are beneficial, theres nothing like having a nice looking stock LOCKER SWITCH on your dash that blends right in.
The Jeep and TOY offerings are extremely considerable compared to other makes, including the Ranger. And yes, TRD IS an aftermarket provider.
Maybe it's time you start contributing to this forum instead of criticizing the people who do.
My .02
-wsn
And see that little green light on the Caps Lock Key? That doesn't mean your keyboard is ready to go.
My only contribution to this site is that I've said a few times (not thousands) that both trucks are very capable and both trucks can be taylored(sp?) to ones specific needs. The Ranger is a very well supported truck in the aftermarket and takes a lot of the mini classes in desert races here in NV. When Meredith went on his rampage and I got scratched I had listed the Ranger wins in the Terrible Town 250 2 months(?) ago. There is a race in Laughlin this weekend. I'll let you know the results. Your statement about from the factory performance is true but even the Toys off road performance pales to a truck with a few correct aftermarket parts. Look up camburg.com they make Ranger suspension(TOY too) that will destroy any stock truck. Your warranty issue is silly, add on parts only affect the part that's replaced. Because you put a race suspension on your truck it's not going to void your warranty on the rest of your truck, SEMA has fought and won this battle years ago. Yes, the Toy is better off road stock. The Ranger is arguably better on road stock but if I want to make it a killer off roader don't say it's not supported.