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danny
Tried to have it jumped didn't work. :mad:
Does anyone know what could of caused this? And what might need to be repaired?
Please respond.
Well, they adjusted the front and rear door alignment and the noise is gone so far. I will let you know how the fix holds up. I feel relieved of the annoying stressful tapping noise. Persistence pays off even though but I had to diagnose it myself. Props to the dealer.
Anyone out there have a sweet coolant type smell from recycling automatic AC operation. You smell the strong odor immediately after the AC's set temp is reached after full fan speed. So, as soon as the fan speed lowers when the cabin is cooled down the sweet smell appears. Dealer could "not replicate."
Could someone please help with some info/advice?
Thanks!!!!
I have a 2003. The delearship said that ALL Navigators do this... I'm trying to figure out if this is true - or if it is indeed a design flaw on my truck...
Thanks!
Even though the AC is in use the breach in the heater core would cause that smell? That makes sense. I imagine I would smell it even more in the winter when the heater is in use. You definitely know your Navigators. I am still under warranty, 2005 with 18K miles.
I just hate paying for the rental car taxes. I tried to get out of it but they won't give in. I may take it to the dealer I bought it at cause they do not charge anything for the rental but it is further and the service is not as good.
Thanks nvbanker. You sure helped me solve a lot of my Navigator issues.
Your hot deck and your cold deck are both together under your dash, and the air passes through them both, regulated by a blend-door, which diverts the air from the cold deck to you if you're hot, and vice versa if you are cold. That's how the temperature is regulated. If you have the hot deck oozing coolant, you'll smell it all the time, but more when the unit calls for some warmer air. As when you stated, the car cools off, and the A/C throttles back, it's actually inducing some air from the hot deck, and you should get a good whiff of it.
I'm very sorry for this unfortunate development - it's very rare, if that makes you feel better. It never does for me though....
On the rental tax, it is a dealer (and customer) judgement call, unfortunately. My dealer never charges me, and if they try to, I just tell them that's not happening, they back off. But, I have spent about $300,000 there over the years too.
I sure enjoyed my Navigators - and if gas was more reasonable, and I had a greater need for 2 SUVs, I'd have a new 06 right now. They were great trucks.
I will definitely bring the leaking coolant issue to their attention. Time for another rental.
Wow, $300,000 buys alot of repairs or new cars? I hope the latter. : )
Gas prices are high so we try not to drive it unless needed. That is our only regret with our Navigator since purchasing it last year, pre-Katrina.
Another issue, we notice an occasional bycyle bell noise or a light metal clinking noise in the rear of the car. Sounds like the brake pad wear indicators but it is not. I thought it was a drivetrain related noise. Heard at 30 - 40 mph at certain intervals. Dealer stated they replaced a rear AC valve per the TSB and that would cure the noise. But, it got worse after the attempted fix. Now, it is heard constantly with a few breaks. When I turn off the rear AC, the noise still persists. Only when I completely turn off the front and rear AC does the noise subside. I will complain to them again. Any insight on this one?
Thanks again.
The reason it only goes away if you turn off the A/C completely, is because it functions anytime the compressor is running, front deck and rear deck. Your controls only manage the fan speed, direction of airflow, and temperature, but that R-134 goes through the lines all the time if the compressor is engaged, thus causing the noise. So, while it's in, make them do this repair again.
Best of luck! Gas mileage is the only reason I don't still have a Navigator. I've never loved a truck more.
Sea Level air there in heaven. Er, I mean San Diego. It would have to run probably 3 times as much to float that boat. When it got home, it probably felt like it was pumping glue!
How was Tahoe? I love it.....
The door alignment seemed to fix it. Good luck!
I will call the Lincoln customer service when I get a chance. At least I got them to comp the loaner car taxes this time.
Anyhoo, I drove the car for the first time yesterday, and found that the front row air vents do not blow air. I hear the air blowing in the back rows, so that works fine. In fact, the AC pumps out of the defrost area, just not the vents. I've played with everything I can think of but nothing fixed it. I'm at a loss.
To make matters worse, today the "liftgate ajar" warning has showed up and won't go away. I've read every post on this board and found a lot of great help regarding cleaning the sensors and such, so I'm thinking the liftgate ajar issue will be a simple fix. Unfortunately I didn't see one mention of a problem with air flow through the vents.
Any info on this problem would be greatly appreciated, as I do not have a warranty to fall back on. I'd LOVE to not have to spend a lot of cash to get this fixed. Help!!
The early 03 models with an A in the VIN were horrible. Everything went wrong on those. The 03's with a B in the VIN were better and the 03's with a C in the VIN were fine.
I had a B series for 3 years and loved it. Only gas prices made me sell it.
The Liftgate ajar is a bugger. If your liftgate and window are both shut tight, then the sensor switch is dirty and needs cleaning or replacing. It's not hard, nor terribly expensive to do, I just have no idea where you find it. There are two, on the liftgate, by the way. One for the glass, one for the door.
Lastly - I buy cars at the auction every week. Navigators, Escalades and Hummers go for a song out there. For an 03 in good condition, you are paying probably close to $20,000. For a third of the original price, you can afford to get the air fixed.
We did get a great deal, paying only $23k for this beautiful vehicle. At this point, we are trying to decide whether this car is going to cost us a lot of $$ in costly repairs down the line. The air vent situation WILL be fixed, we just aren't sure whether we are going to keep it for ourselves and use our personal cash to fix it...and any other future repairs that may be needed, or if we will just re-sell it through our dealership, in which the dealership will pay for the repairs.
I checked the VIN and found that we have neither A,B, or C in our #. The sticker on the inside driver's door panel does state that it was manufactured in July of 2003, not the end of 2002. After reading your previous posts on the subject, I gathered that this means we lucked out and got one of the better batches. I will re-check that sticker to see if I missed an A,B or C. At this point, we are just trying to figure out whether to keep or to re-sell.
Thank you for your knowledge on the matter. At least we know what the problem is now!
A) Where is the OD button on the shift handle? Is it on the driver's side, or the toward the rear of the handle, rear of vehicle.
Do you have power switches for the 3rd seat right behind the B pillar, or on the driver's side just behind the second row seat?
C) Do you have a tweeter in the little corner panel on the front doors about the size of a silver dollar or so. This would be up at the bottom of the window level, by the dask?
If you can answer these questions for me, I can tell you which truck you have easily. These are the 3 engineering changes made in the first year, (03), and they changed the Vin number letter each time.
A. OD button is on the driver's side of the shifter.
B. Power switches for 3rd row seat is on the B pillar in the trunk area.
C. Yes, we have a tweeter in the corner panel on the front doors, by the dash.
So, there you have it. Did we luck out and get the later model?
Thanks for all of your help. You've been great!
Mary
Mary
If after 3 tries, I couldn't get this particular problem resolved, I'd trade the damn thing. But that's just me. These issues are hard to detect, if they don't throw a code, mechanics of today don't have a clue what to do. But if you can get the Service Manager to experience it, he'll be on your side, and that's a great help.
Sounds scary. Reminds me of my dad taking me to school in his very old cutlass supreme and having the dang thing stall around every corner. Dangerous.
That should not be happening on ANY car nowadays.