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My first reaction is that the delivery time would vary greatly from place to place and model to model and should be known at the time of placing your order. As such, I think it makes sense to pose the question in the model specific Forums. You may also get some feedback in the Prices Paid discussions.
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I am in the market for a 2007 honda civic w/nav. And trading in a 2005 Chevy Equinox LS with 23000 miles on it. TMV value is like 13,800(I owe 16.xxx) or so for the chevy.
I got to my first dealer and they give me a rock bottom price of 25,500 OTD in which I think I can get it lower but they arent budging. So off to the 2nd dealer they come back with a price of 27,450, at this point I am floored. I ask the dealer what they were giving me on the trade and he jumped around the question trying not to answer me so I finally got it out of him. He says 11,xxx, so I proceed to ask him why so little, when the trade value is closer to 14,000. He tells me that the dealership is a wholesaler dealership, so I told him to sell the civic for wholesale but my witty remark didnt get a good response.
So I was getting no where with him and he was giving me the manager calling other people on a saturday to get more for my trade run around.
So I am not sure where to go from here, most people are paying 21,xxx for the civic, I know I am taking a hit in the neg equity but I am sure I can work with dealer #1 another 1000 dollars. Or just go to another dealer and see what they say.
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I'm thinking of info like:
- where the action is these days. Cars.com? local paper? Ebay?
- how long it takes?
- other tips?
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I think the title would reflect the true feelings of many a person who has reticence about the process of buying a car. Productivity has nothing to do with it.
If you don't want to deal with how people feel, why have a forum at all?
I'm sorry, I was speaking euphemistically. When I say it wouldn't be productive, I mean that inevitably topics such as the one you propose ("I hate car salesmen") quickly degenerate and go out of control with diatribes, rants, insults, flames, hurt feelings and frazzled hosts.
On the other hand, your alternate title ("I love cars but hate buying them") could work if we can come up with a good rationale regarding how it will contribute to being a smart shopper. I'm open to suggestions.
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Wow I don't know what to say....
I am speechless or uhhh wordless I mean.
:confuse: :mad:
Now, I passionately hate car salesmen, and would rather have a dentist pull my teeth out several times over than to walk onto a lot. I'm more comfortable walking onto a car lot after the lot is closed or on Sundays when the vultures have gone home. Why is that? I think that's an important topic. I think part of the reason this is so is the same reason women hate to broach controversial topics. Women tend to shy away from conflict, they want to be goody-goody and not hurt feelings and not be strong, and that's bad, especially when some good can ultimately come from it. We haven't been properly taught how to argue and hold our ground.
So, if someone besides me can find a better way to word the topic, great. Just address it, and give people the freedom to do so honestly.
"Take your Toyota to the dealership to diagnose the problem (burning smell from the front end) ... and then take it somewhere cheaper."
irismg, I agree with you. Root Canal or dealing with a car salesman leaves me undecided. Now I just use Edmunds pricing for buying and selling. Print it out. Bring it in. Salesfolks will flinch, rebuff, see the GM and squirm, but will not meet the price. Therefore I haven't bought in 2 years and am happy and wealthy. My advice is find a good mechanic and keep ol bessie running forever. To find a good mechanic look up "speed shop" in the yellow pages. Those guys really fix stuff and can improvise rather than just replace parts. My 2 cents. Hope it helps.
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Sometimes people have second thoughts about what they wrote in a posted message and have up to 30 minutes to edit - or delete.
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2013 Mustang GT, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali
Back a yeah and a half ago I had someone looking to buy a Range Rover Sport and he brought up TMV. He said that he put in his zip code and it showed that Sports were going for 3,500 off of MSRP and he thought that didn't sound right considering we were on the verge of a waiting list for them. I hadn't checked TMV in a while so I brought it up and put in the zip code for the dealership. We still got the 3,500 off of MSRP.
At the time we had only sold one Sport for less then MSRP and that one was a demo with 1,300 miles on it. The nearest other Land Rover dealership to us is over an hour away and they were in a similar situation to us. They could barely keep up with demand and were selling most Sports at MSRP or MSRP with some free accessories. Obviously for our area in that instance TMV was not correct. I don't know what kind of algorithm they use for TMV but maybe with my state being kind of small it was including deals for the TMV price from NYC or Boston. Even then it was still strange since I know the sales managers at Manhattan and some of the Boston area dealers and they weren't giving up 3,500 dollar average discounts either.
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Sorry for this basic question but I have never leased.
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All the websites give the obvious info as to what to find on the Monroney sticker, but I can't find one that decodes the less obvious stuff. What does the date in the bottom right corner (in teeny print) mean? Went to several Chevy dealers on a day they were closed & compared these dates, I'm guessing they are production dates, not delivery dates since there were a lot of same dates. Some were a year old, but the same dates. Also what do the large letters "DO" again in the bottom right mean? Dealer owned? After awhile of financing the new cars on the lot, do dealers eventually own them? Or does "DO" mean something entirely different? We were unable to determine the pattern of what had a DO & what didn't.
Most importantly, sometimes after the VIN, it says "REISSUE", what does that mean? Does it mena the VIN was reissued? Is that possible & if so, why? I found it on several dealer demos, but not on all dealer demos & on some that didn't appear to be demos. It seems shady to me, but I made a point of going to dealers that weren't associated & saw the "REISSUE" at both.
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2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
They will mail us a reprinted window sticker in a couple of weeks.
No idea what all your other questions mean as I don't work for a chevy dealer.
Thanks Again,
Zoesam
can i buy a car without auctions ? is it ever possible ? is there any risk to buy not exactly what you expecting ?
well, can i find some dealer or broker, who could arrange all these things ? buying car and shiping ?
thanks.
have a lot of questions in my head, dont know where to start.
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[LIST=1]
[*]Extended warranty.
[*] GAP
[*] Lojack
[*] Replacement insurance
[/LIST] based on the misleading information given to me. Okay I got deceived- first time buyer. :mad:
[B]Problem 1[/B]
Now I want to opt out of the contract ie have a new contract signed without the above four. I went to the dealer on 10/15/2007 and made my case. Looking at the individual documents, I can opt out within 30 days of receiving these 4 contract. The finance contract has no option for me to cancel/ revoke. The problem is if I opt out from the four, (ie after receiving the documents in the mail); I only get a check for the amount I paid for excluding any finance charges from the bank.
That was the main reason why I wanted to remove these four. To reduce the car loan thus reducing my finance charges and monthly payments. I tell the honda dealer why I want it removed but I'm been told I can't get a new contract removing the above four. :mad:
I definitely wouldn't recommend this dealer to anyone but is there away I could void the present contract. I don't like the hassle of going to court, first it's lenghty and may not be economical.
[B]Problem 2[/B]
At the honda dealer on 10/15/2007 while fight for a solution for the problem above, the dealer's finance manager corrected my assumption that my loan wasn't calculated using the laws of compounding interest but based on the laws of simple interest. It was clearly written at the top of the bank/ loan contract.
Using Microsoft Excel entered the my monthly payments, bank interest rate, loan amount and time ( number of years to pay off my loan). Also I quickly in his presence tried in vain to inform him that the total finance charge I would pay isn't what is printed on the document. If I use the compound interest formula, the total finance charge I would pay is what is printed on the document. . Either he was pretending or he truly was ignorant of the formula. I plan on getting home and using a financial software to verify my assumption. Buyers are deceived into thinking their rates are based on simple interest but truly it's based on compound interest.
Definitely on all grounds based on the simple interest this contract is invalid. What should I do now. I know
What should I do
[LIST=1]
[*]Do nothing but reget doing business with this dealer?
[*]Seek a legal help and fight them in court whatever it takes.
[/LIST]
Regarding your question about compound versus simple interest, I don't know what your contract says but I don't think anyone provides nor does anyone expect simple interest on a car loan. We can discuss it in the above indicated topic.
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It is boldly spell out Simple interest.
I falsely assume likewise if not of the finance manager who showed me I would never have noticed.
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