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We were split between a v6-Camry and an v6-Accord, and were about to make a decision but came across some consumer reports that said neither Toyota nor Honda were good...
I'm looking for some pros/cons for both, and any other recommendations for any other makes/brands,anything in the range of or under 25k that you guys may have. Not really looking for anything special, a family car for groceries and the occasional out-of-state trip to the relatives...V6 engine to last...
Now THAT is a new one.
Personally, the Camry and the Accord are seen as being very reliable and have been for years. I would also add the Chevrolet Impala which is a very solid and comfortable vehicle. My wife's company fleet is all Impalas and they have had really good success in terms of reliability.
I would also look at the v6 Ford Fusion/ Mercury Milano as it is a very stylish and solid vehicle. I would NOT recommend the I4 models which feel very underpowered.
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Good luck!
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'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
Ok, maybe I mispoke when I said "loaded," because that means every option (at least in my opinion), and while that might be tougher to find, it is no tougher than the "base model" you mention. Fact is, we can more easily find models in the middle of the range with options most commonly desired.
Case in point, since you asked me to look, I searched the mazda site within 150 miles of my area. I found exactly 1 base 5-door 5-spd and 1 GT 5-door auto. Both at the same dealer and both in black mica. In comparison, I found 7 touring 5-doors with automatic trannies.
Now, of course, we don't know how trustworthy the online inventory is. I suggest you actually contact a dealer. You have to remember, too, if you want a real specific combo ... let's say a GT 5-door auto with navigation in grey ... well, you are probably wanting 1 of only 100 cars built. If you had more color options, you could expand that number and increase your odds.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
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Thanks for the comeback...
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
As we know, there;'s difference science to purchasing a new car vs a used car. For example, the new car buyer looks for invoice whereas the used car buyer should look for, retail or wholesale price when negotiating a used car deal? I don't think new car purchases and used car purchases should intertwined, that leads to a lot of confusion.
You may also be interested in the Used Vehicle Financing and Used Vehicles: Best Values discussions.
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'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
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Here is my experience.
Step one:
from consumerreports.org and edmunds.com: find the best cars which fit your need and budgets,
Step two:
go to one dealer and have a test drive of one or more cars you want to buy
Step three:
go to carspace and find out the lowest quotes on the same car others can get
Step 4
Use this price quote to negotiate the best deal you can get.
With these tips you can save hundreds of dollars.
http://web500.us/how-to-buy-new-cars-with-the-lowest-price/
go to one dealer and have a test drive of one or more cars you want to buy
May I propose that a better way of doing this is to locate the models that you are looking for at Avis/Hertz/Enterprise. Drive the car 500-1000 miles over a weekend or two (weekend rates are very low) and see how you like it.
When I was looking for a car (for two months), I rented every weekend for $25 per weekend from Hertz and tried out six different models and ended up with the Toyota Corolla, which is a car I thought that I disliked.
Has to do with purchasing a used car, that *was* a leased vehicle.
My wife and I are looking at buying a 2005 Dodge Grand Caravan SXT.
It's loaded.
A retired couple leased the van in 2005, and were (some how) able to get out of the lease early, and decided to lease a new 2008 G.C.
They did this all though the same dealership.
I've never leased before, but have researched it.
My questions are:
-) Would that retired couple get a trade-in value/credit toward the lease of their new van?
I ask that because dealerships sell vehicles to leasing companies (at or below "cap price"), and most likely make $$ on that transaction (they certainly don't do it for free!).
So, if the dealership *does* give a trade-in allowance/credit toward the lease of a new vehicle, then I would probably need to consider the trade-in value and retail value of the 2005 we're looking at much more.
However...
If the dealership does *not* give trade-in allowance toward a new lease, and just takes the old van off their hands because they're nice guys....then wouldn't whatever the dealership sells it for be "pure profit"...?
The way I'd see it would be:
Dealer sell to lease company, makes $$
--lease company makes $$ for 3 years
----gets turned back in to dealer after 3 years, who gives no trade-in credit
------goes out the door at $15k...this = $15k profit for dealer (right?)
They're asking $16,900 for it, and we're able to spend $15,000 (or less) with a $3k downpayment and anticipated $1300 trade-in (making our loan somewhere around $12k to $13k)
Thanks for the help!!
So, if the bank charges them $13K, and they sell it to you for $15K, then they make $2K...
The couple that turned it in got nothing for it, because they just rented the car for three years.... The bank owns it.
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It's interesting, though. I read on JD Power today that 2006 GC's were expected to have a 37% residual value...even on the high-end models.
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/reviews/review.aspx?ID=247
Putting in a figure of $38,000 * 37% I came up with $14,060 for a residual value.
This doesn't really jive with retail prices that I've been finding:
KBB = $19,000
Edmunds = $15,300
NADA = $18,700
Now, trade in is much closer to that 37%, though:
KBB = $14,700
Edmunds = $12,300
NADA = $15,900
If we decide to make an offer, any advice on where to start?
Try posting details of the van here: Real-World Trade-In Values
Someone can give you an accurate idea of what the dealership has in the vehicle...
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I need help, please suggest some cars to research so I can start test driving to see whats right for me!
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My friend got a new car for cash, signed a bunch of forms, and go the following back:
1) "We Owe"
2) A pink slip with "unpaid balance due at delivery" written at the bottom
3) Bailment/temporary use agreement
I set up a new discussion here: Paperwork for buying, selling, financing and leasing. Please, feel free to get the discussion started.
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Generally, you should determine what your requirements are and seek out the vehicles that best fit those requirements.
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So what's the best (as in easiest, most objective, painless and not with a salesperson trying to close a deal)way to figure out what I want and need?
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Conversely, maybe someone could tell about going the other way.
Maybe have the thread in the SUV and truck forums as well.
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and that thread is really focussed more reverse of what I had in mind, but that's ok, I did mention that in my suggestion.