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Toyota Tundra vs. Nissan Titan
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not with the titan. the only part that comes from overseas is the tranny, so all other parts are shipped domestic. in the past, imports had higher maintenance and repair costs because of overseas shipping. not so anymore.
And I've heard it may be causing fender-benders as well.
The Tundras are so easy on the eyes I barely notice them - unless one gets in my way in traffic...
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you notice them???
all i can tell is a small bump when i run over one...kinda like an old roadkill...
I'll wait for a year to see how the Titan does QC wise.
We bought a first year 2k Imapla in sept 1999. They had sub frame issues. Our Impala received a new frame under warranty and still had problems
Check the recent Edmund comparison of full size trucks, Toyota Tundra is at the second to bottom of all trucks. And Nissan Titan blows out every competition by incredible margin.
http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/comparison/articles/101958/article- .html
Even if I got 15 major problems on the new Titan, I would still prefer to go back to dealer and ask for a change instead of considering Tundra.
Tundra vs. Titan? Get the F150
Hope this helps. Jim
http://www.edmunds.com/apps/nvc/edmunds/VehicleComparison;jsessio- nid=AQgoapwuawTaGlpsiKvGN4Z4gy1vQSyZb6qNYF9Bpsm0X012wv1f!-2078571- 469?basestyleid=100370937&styleid=100368160&maxvehicles=5- &refid=&op=3&tab=ratings
Compare the Tundra and the Titan 4-door models in this link here at Edmunds. Granted the Titan has a few higher marks than the Tundra and I'll give you that. BUT... look at the 15th line down under this "ratings" tab where it says JD Powers & Associates Ratings. (See: Mechanical Quality, Feature & Accessory Quality, Body & Interior Quality) The KEY word here is... QUALITY! From what I see, the Titan DIDN'T fair well at ALL here. These 3 ratings are MAJOR for most buyers! Especially from an independent source like JD Powers. Unfortunately, it kind-of shatters your "better truck theory" of the Titan pretty much.
So, while Titan owners are at the dealership with quality repair issues, us Tundra owners, will be waving as we pass by. You say you would still prefer to go back to the Nissan dealer and ask for a change rather than consider the Tundra. A change for what?! A Nissan Frontier?! I SURE wouldn't relish the idea of spending excess time (over quality issues) at a dealership with a new truck! Heck... I bought it to drive, NOT sit in the shop!!
This is the truck Toyota should have built in 2000! Looks to me like the big Nissan avoided all of Toyota's marketing gaffes to the USA full size truck buyer.
- full size
- 5.6L aluminum block
- 5 speed automatic transmission
- 4 wheel DISC brakes
- MIM (made in Mississippi) Lol...
I knew NOTHING about this truck, didn't read about it, unpoisoned and untainted by bias.
The dealership loaded me up with printed reading materials, including magazine reprints where it won every competition, C&D, Sport Truck, 4-Wheeler.
Really fun to drive truck, precise, communicative steering and road feedback, flat cornering, (Rancho shocks), smooth shifting tranny, stiff chassis, loved the bed utility options.
Nits? A few...
- interior plastic looks cheap
- take it or leave it styling
- mediocre paint quality
- marginal payload rating, but has more leafs in rear springs than Tundra.
...but here's the biggie...PREMIUM FUEL REQUIRED. The fuel mileage was already painful before that footnote.
I'll be sticking with durability and economy of my Silverado 2500HD Duramax diesel for a while longer in these tough times of high fuel prices, but if I was in the 1/2 ton market, the Titan would easily be my first choice.
"..but here's the biggie...PREMIUM FUEL REQUIRED. The fuel mileage was already painful before that footnote.
I'll be sticking with durability and economy of my Silverado 2500HD Duramax diesel for a while longer in these tough times of high fuel prices, but if I was in the 1/2 ton market, the Titan would easily be my first choice."
Untrue! Premium fuel is 100% not required! Your information is wrong; sorry. But enjoy your Silverado, they are a good truck.
Only other info I can locate on the subject is the reprint of the 2004 Four Wheeler Pickup Truck of the Year article lists recommended octanes for Silverado, Ram, F-150, Titan and Tundra, all shown as 87 except RAM Hemi 89.
Certainly nothing to rely on...
Yes, mine IS bigger than yours and I work the heck out of it, but if you don't need something like that don't buy one.
On the other hand, it's pretty unrealistic for Tundra owners to claim thier "full sized" truck can hual half a ton while towing three and a half more.
Owners Manual!
"Use unleaded regular gasoline with an octane
rating of at least 87 AKI (Anti-Knock Index) number(Research octane number 91)."
You're probably right, but in the states, I believe the pump numbers are dervived by averaging R+M, research octane + some other octane method, I forget. If I averaged 87 AKI to 91 Research, I get 89 which while not premium, would still be mid-grade octane of 89. Clear as mud.
I am aware of some places which sell gas with less than 87 AKI - I don't think any car manufacturers recommend using this grade of gas in any new vehicle.
All said, the Titan uses the same grade of gas as the F-150, the Chevy and the Tundra.
http://www.westechperformance.com/pages/Tech_Library/Understandin- g/octane.html
I live in one of those places, Denver Colorado. Here, regular grade is 85, mid is 87 and premium is 91.
That said, it is no problem using 85 in a Titan or any vehicle rated for (R+M)/2 = 87 AKI. The gasolines are formulated for our high altitude driving conditions. Combustion pressures are lower here due to the lower density of air means less oxygen. Of course it wouldn't be recommended that you fill up your boat here and drive it to the coast.
suburban detroit is at 1400 ft. above sea level, and there are places that carry 86 octane as regular.
the "lead of the truck world" will be simply in displacement. 5.7L is a BIGGER engine, but the displacement has very little to do with the overall usage of the engine.
I drove the F150 for 8 years and put 176,000 miles, with no problems.
torque is the operative measurement of a trucks towing/hauling capabilities. thats why the f150 feels anemic in acceleration, but pulls almost as well as the titan. 365 lb./ft. in the ford, 379 in the titan.
im not sure of what GM is, but im almost sure its over 350.
with ford, the 4.6l specs are almost identical to toyota's TOP motor??? that doesnt sound right. so if i go to toyota, i have to get option pkg. #219,178, AND spend extra money just to get suyb-par performance? i think not. if i want sub-par performance, ill get the ford with the small v8 and save money.
I am not saying the Titan is problemless (mine isn't) but most of the 2000 owners over there love their titans! They will post about every little squeek rattle and bug, but they still love them.
SOHC 16-valve 4.6-liter V-8, 231 hp, 293 lb-ft; SOHC 24-valve 5.4-liter V-8, 300 hp, 365 lb-ft
The tundras 05 4.7 VVTI) far surpasses the current 4.6 offered in the F-150. As far as paying extra, for the new 05, expect to pay ~$500 for the added ponies, among a lot of other added features as well. I dont konw what the 0-60 times are for the different trucks, and I'm not quite sure what your point is. Your comparing apples to oranges here (5.6-7 engines to a 4.7), and the fact that the tundra can still semi-hang with all the new competition before its major makeover says a lot about toyota, and their quality, and their performance. If you want to spend less money and get a ford, fine with me, you get what you pay for. I have a ranger right now, and I cant wait to step into a toyota and feel the difference in quality and know that it is going to get me there no matter what. To each his own, this is my opinion and you have yours, and i totally respect it, no pun intended. But for me, it will be a toyota, it seems like the best choice for my needs, and what I want in a truck
Quite the eye opener..............