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Tundra vs. Big 3
I've been following the Dakota vs. Tundra topic
and the Toy people think that this truck is more
reliable, dependable, etc., etc., etc. I have my
doubts, however someone suggested that the toy
would be more comparable to one of the Big 3 (GM,
Ford, & Dodge). I personally don't think it's even
close, but would be willing to listen to the
argument...
and the Toy people think that this truck is more
reliable, dependable, etc., etc., etc. I have my
doubts, however someone suggested that the toy
would be more comparable to one of the Big 3 (GM,
Ford, & Dodge). I personally don't think it's even
close, but would be willing to listen to the
argument...
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Tundra sales have leveled off now that the hype is over also and the facts/figures are popping up on the internet about the Tundra. Expensive is one word to use. Strike two Toyota.
Don't get me wrong, I think toy has a good reputation, but the Tundra just isn't there yet. It cost too much for what you get. Costs are similar for the big 3 for more truck. It would compare with the Dakota, but it costs too much. Bring down the price and it will probably fair better. Doesn't suprise me sales have leveled off. I think there hope for this thing, but maybe the third time (T-100, Tundra, ???) will be the charm...
To set the record straight, the Tundra is 3 inches narrower than the Silverado and 10 inches shorter. 5 of those inches came from the back seat (which is the Tundra's main shortcoming). Weight wise, the Tundra is 200 pounds lighter than a comparably equiped Silverado....not a big deal. As far as the real life tests go, the Tundra either ties or wins in every catagory against comparably equiped Big 3 trucks. Whether it is 0-60, or towing a 5000 pound load or whatever, the Tundra wins (as long as the test is done fairly and they often aren't). Quality wise, just look at all the complaints about the new Silverado and you get the message loud and clear. The Ford F-150 is a good contender but still comes up short in many of the comparison tests, especially stopping from 60-0....some 27 feet longer than the Tundra! Price wise the Tundra is right in the game.
So please, get the facts straight before you go taking shots at one of the nicest trucks to come along in years.
This is a sincere question to Tundra owners and no sarcasm is intended. I'm just curious.
The size/dimensions are closer to the Dakota. Right along with the V8 HP/Torque numbers. Toyota missed its mark against Ford/Dodge/GM. Price also comes up quite often here and at other sites I visit on the internet. Fact is GM/Ford/Dodge can produce more trucks at lower cost and pass that on to the consumer. Mass production what a concept.
So although you may have not seem them here both manufacturers have been in the mid size pick up market for a long time. However these pickups are not used for fifth wheel applications in Aussi or kiwi land (New Zealand) and mainly used for carting in excess of ton payloads by farmers and mineing companies. Have seen Landcruiser pickups in tandem rear axle form for even higher payloads. They have proven to be tough trucks, they are not pretty like a Tundra.
It's a known fact...Foreign cars are made to last about 10 years...and then they die. Some have good stories of lasting....but most do not.
You will never see one on a farm or in any true work application.
Eagleye,
You claim it's only 200 lbs lighter and a few inches shorter...and is almost equal in every catagory to a Silverado?....I don't know what you have been smoking....but I sure would like some!
I just don't understand how a Tundra owner can stand to have to keep opening the latch on the firewall inside and tossing more rice into the fire every few miles??....that's gotta be annoying!
Get real...it's a T100/Tacoma!!!
- Tim
Tundra drivers hate me.
They think I bash Tundra all the time, so in the Tundra v Dakota topic I challenged them to prove me wrong on anything I said (4 times so far and counting). You know I've heard nothing.
Anyway, my point. On Friday a Tundra owner said in the Tundra v Dakota topic that the two trucks were in different classes because of the size. If this argument is true, which I question, how can the same truck be in the same class as the full size trucks - it makes no sense. The largest disparity between Dakota and Tundra is in width - around 8 inches to Tundra, though that doesn't translate internally, length is only about 2 - 3 inches. Silverado is around 10 inches longer than Tundra.
Besides my excellent experience with Toyota products, I bought the Tundra over the Ford because it was not a truck that you see in every driveway. In my part of the country, every other(figure of speech) full-size truck is a Ford 150. They are everywhere(my company even has one). I'd bet 75% of my subs drive Fords. The reverse logic is true as well. I didn't buy my wife a Camry because EVERYBODY has one. I had to go with another ferrin'(gotta have a reliable one for her , too!!) car make for her.
If I had to buy a truck on looks alone, I'd have bought a superduty Ford. Not because they tow more or last longer(and I'm not saying they do!!), purely because of LOOKS.
Tim & Rublue(Quad????),
While hunting this year in the middle of boonies, I saw the first Thunder Gray Tundra(other than mine/or a dealer's). It was being driven by a farmer. He farms cotton, peanuts, corn, soybeans, and tobacco(about 7000 acres). He had over 20,000 miles on his truck in OCTOBER. There is at least one truck being put to work. And Tim, if my truck lasts 10 years, I'll be totally happy. I'll be on my second or third Tundra by then! Go put on a disguise and test drive one. You'll secretly love it.
So what if the Tundra is a Tacoma or T-100, if that fits the bill for Tundra owners then fine. You Chevy guys need a life.
It's time to take the training wheels off Toyota owners....and step up to the big three.
Are we farmers?...no....Farm is always mentioned due to it's one of the untimate tests for a truck. Must be solid and very reliable. 100,000 miles on a farm truck is like 500,000 miles for the average joe.
TP,
I don't think I could drive a tundra being 6'3!
Besides....no disguise would hide the disgust of me and an Import!
LOL
- Tim
whew....Now I can't test drive one...
(what a scary though)
TP....when you are ready for the training wheels to come off.....let us know
hehehe
- Tim
That one commercial Toyota has with the Tundra passing another truck while towing a sailboat, has them spouting off about the Tundra will out tow any other full-size truck. Try reading the small print on that commercial. That tells the whole story.
what are you trying to do??.....ruin the moniter??
...would those pics be considered a Virus?
...."I just can't understand why you would pay Silverado/F-150 money for Dakota capabilities..."
Now THAT says it all SWO!
- Tim
compact, mid-size, large mid-size, full size, and SuperDuty. What a great country!
Let's just stop the arguing and all agree to consider the Toyota a large-mid-size truck that has the ability to handle loads normally reserved for half-tons. I still wouldn't want one because of the looks and the bad gas mileage (relative to
full-sized GM's and Fords) and I prefer the bigger truck, but that's just me. I also wouldn't want a compact or a Dakota.
-powerisfun
Everyone ought to love this one.
and crappy workmanship.
-powerisfun
That is why people from all over the world come here to get educated, make money and want to stay.
Yep, we Americans can't build anything, we didn't build the world Trade Centers, the Japanese did right? We didn't build the Space Shuttle, the Japanese did right? We didn't invent the Transistor, the Japanese did right? We didn't invent the telephone, the Japanese did right? We didn't invent the assembly line, the Japanese did right? Come on, get over the inferiority complex. I work for a Japanese company, I enjoy it. But these people are just like anyone else, they make mistakes believe me, I have to clean up after them, rebuild the equipment, and make it work. Diversity is what makes America strong. We get ideas and ideals from every culture on earth. Why is Japan still in a recession and can't pull itself out? Why are their prices so high for such a complicated highley modern society? We live in the best country in the world, have so much to CHOOSE from.
Why is someone branded a patriot when they like a Ford/GM/Dodge product? What is wrong with it? I happen to feel Ford is doing a great job.
The NAIAS is saying that the Toyota Sequoia is between the 4 Runner and Land Cruiser and Expedition in class. I've never compared, but I didn't think that the Land Cruiser was larger than an Expedition. Are they really that big?
I went through the Toyota exhibit at NAIAS but I didn't see the Sequoia. Did I miss it or was it only shown at the LA show?
Rich
- Tim
The telephone was invented by Alexander Graham Bell in 1876, when he was 29 years old. He was born in Scotland in 1847 and lived there, and then in England until his family moved to Ontario in 1870. He first visited the US in 1871 (Boston) and then spent his time spread between Boston, where he worked, and Ontario, where his parents still lived.
The telephone was (partly) invented in the US, but not by an American.
I hope to get my wife one next year(it's that or a DREADED minivan). Gotta build and sell a few more houses first, however.
Now, about that farm.....any deer on it that need to be removed? Let me know.