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My only option was to purchase a kit on the internet (for $93) that converts turn signal-parking lights to DRL.
Then was charged $178 for installation by a local electronic shop (which was excessive but did take them over 4 hours to wire by device instructions) Obviously neither of us knew how long it would take.
Toyota takes no responsibility for omitting this item.
Still, this is the best new vehicles I have ever purchased
and would recommend to anyone in the market for a new pickup.
FYI, I asked around last week when I was getting an oil change. I think your salesperson was the same as mine and that was your vehicle that came in. Man, it came in 1 week after you cancelled, bummer. I feel for you. It sold as soon as it came in.
Resulted in a further $500 savings with a more trust worthy dealership/salesperson. Including added options price locally was 47,600 new deal 47,144. I expect to take delivery in about two weeks.
The blunders of the salesperson locally just got to costly to risk further dealings with.
My gut feeling is that there be more to the run around I got then they care to let on.
What I have come to realize is that when they speak it is most likely BS coming out.
Case in Point.
The date I cancelled was 1 week before the new scheduled production date given to me by the salesperson . Making the new delivery 3 to 4 weeks there after.
So when the salesperson says the vehicle came in 1 week after I cancelled quite franky is BS. Which I can quote numerous situations more.
So as word of caution I would keep this in mind when speaking to them because chances are when they open their mouth to speak it is most likey BS.
kcram - Pickups Host
So they are one in the same.
:mad:
kcram - Pickups Host
Has anyone had this problem on a new 2007 Tundra?
What a lot of people are finding out is that Toyota doesn't care and neither does the dealer. Its about the same with other manufacturers also.
If you're lucky enough to buy from a dealer who provides great service then you've lucked out as most dealers Toyota or not do not make money on warranty work and thus tend not to "find" problems that are less than obvious.
Unfortunately for most that purchase vehicles they do not take the time to walk around the service area and watch how people are treated or actually talk to customers who are there to do warranty work. Having personally dealt with dealers for many warranty issues, I do not forget my service advisor during the holidays as I know who needs who to get things done.
I have also searched all Toyota dealers in the 12 states around Michigan, but still no luck.
So, I will probably order an '08 Tundra, but I am still having difficult with an OTD (Out The Door) price.
I am looking for...
2dr Reg Cab 4WD Long Box (8') 4.7L or 5.7L with these options...
* SL SR5 Package
* WR Sliding Read Window
* CK Cold Kit
* HM Power Heated Mirrors
* ST 18" Sytled Stell Wheels
* MG Mudguards
For a 4.7L (model #8326) with those options, the MSRP is $28,855, and the Invoice is $26,139.
For a 5.7L (model #8328) with those options, the MSRP is $29,815, and the Invoice is $27,011.
March 2006, we bought RAV4 and the Destination Chg was $605 and the Doc Fee was $170 (Kalamazoo, MI).
Michigan has 6% sales tax.
Assuming no deals from Toyota.
For the 4.7L, would an OTD price of $28,529 be good/bad/nowayinhell/stupid?
$26,139 (invoice) + $605 (dest) + $170 (doc) + $1615 (tax)
For the 5.7L, would an OTD price of $29,454 be good/bad/nowayinhell/stupid?
$27,011 (invoice) + $605 (dest) + $170 (doc) + $1668 (tax)
Mike
http://toyotaoforlando.com/Default.aspx
http://www.vandergrifftoyota.com/
I think it's ok to post these two dealerships.
BTW, where do I find the invoice of the Tundra 4x4. The dealers around here don't have those laying around.
Chuck
T.M.F. (Advertising Fee) +- $742
2% HOLDBACK +- 522
PIO Holdback (Port-Installed Options) +- 184
Finance Reserve 1% MSRP +- 261
Some $ 1,700 more than is being initially disclosed by the dealers in our area. Are these fees really non-negotiable?
Wholesale Price.... $xx,xxx ( this is the price at the factory or port )
plus:
Frt/Processing..... $xxx
Holdback........... $522
financial Reserve.. $261
Adv Fee............ $742
PIO's.............. $184
Invoice cost....... $xx,xxx ( this is the well known 'Invoice Price' )
So far there is no markup for the dealer, there is only profit for Toyota the manufacturer.
MSRP.............. Invoice $xx,xxx +8%
This 8% is the dealer markup. This is what everybody negotiates.
If you try to get the dealers to waive the Frt, Holdback, Fin Res and Adv Fee you'll just get frustrated everytime you bring it up because they'll just turn a cold shoulder to your suggestion. Toyota is one of the few that breakout these charges for the public to see. The others just bury them in the prices that's what causes so much confusion.
Here's a simple example: You and your neighbor both own a coffee shop bakery. You both sell muffins in the morning at $1.75 each.
His price is $1.75
Your price is:
Muffin.... $1.00 ( your cost of matls and your profit is in this figure
plus:
Electricity $.10
Rent....... $.20
Advertising $.20
Shop labor. $.25
Total Price $1.75
A client comes in and says 'I don't feel that I should have to pay your shop labor cost.' Why did your breakout all these post production costs which encourage your clients to argue with you about the components of the muffin price when it's the same as your neighbors?
Showing us these $1,700+ of fees in the "invoice costs" shows me that the mark-up is even less than 8%. The Manufacturer is only suggesting another 6% markup of $1,500 for its MSRP than the dealer had to pay. I should not be looking this gift horse in the mouth. For some reason Edmunds has some incorrect information when it states that the invoice is $2,480 less. I think that I'll write Edmunds a letter.
The dealer buys at one cost + his expenses ( freight, holdback, financing, accessories, etc )...
We buy at another cost + our expenses ( taxes, title, doc fee, financing, etc ).
Most retail businesses that purchase inventory are run this way.
Did you actually order from the factory, or "order" from his existing stock at that dealership?
Confused,
Mike
He (Jim Barley Toyota of Asheville NC) had the exact truck I wanted... I drive 655 miles one-way tomorrow (Aug 13) and pick it up!
He basically sells the Tundras for Invoice + $695 (Doc fee).
My truck has a total sticker price of $26,810 + $3346 + $695 (Base + Options + Doc) = $30,851.
I paid the Edmunds Invoice price (that includes the Doc fee) of $27,843.
It could of been $3000 less ($24,843), but I wanted the 0% for 48 months.
The Sales Manager I talked with (Alan) was the nicest person I have ever worked with... the entire phone call was less than 5 minutes! He also went to the lot and verified the VIN and put a SOLD sign in it.
He also said, "There are no hidden fees, what you see on the Internet, is also exactly what is posted in the window of all vehicles we sell. If another dealer wanted a vehicle, they would also pay us the exact same as you paid."
He also said they made $600 on this deal. And they sell 550 vehicles a month!
I know where I will being buying any future vehicles!!
Mike
When we got to the hugh dealership, I asked my Sales Manger, Allen (been there 15 years on salary), if I could look at other trucks to compare options and colors. We spent 20 minutes looking and asking a ga-zillion questions. Not once, did he try to push me back to the original one I picked out. I finally told him, I was ready to purchase the original one I picked out on the web site.
We went back inside and he asked if we wanted the $3000 off, or the 0% for 48 months... we choose 0%. He asked for our names, addresses, SSN, drivers licenses. He was back in 5 minutes approved.
We next went to some ladies office to sign four or five pieces of paper. The price was exactly what was on the web site. All paper work was very simple with no hidden, secret, last minute stuff. That took four minutes.
Next, went to the Customer Service Managers office to get keys, owners manual, etc. He gave us his biz card that also has his HOME phone number on it. That took three minutes.
As I was heading out the door, there was a piece of paper next to the door that said, "What Sets Us Apart From the Rest?"
Eight things are listed
1. Free Loaner Cars
2. Free Service Shuttle
3. Express Service
4. Buy Direct From Manager
5. Best Price
6. DOUBLE FACTORY WARRANTY (if ALL service is done here)
7. Competitive Products
8. First Three Oil Changes Free
I went back to the Customer Service Manager and told him too bad I live 679 miles (one-way) miles away. SO, HE GAVE ME SIX OIL FILTERS FOR FREE!! And, he told me if I was ever in the neighbor hood, and they would still give me a free oil change!
Since this truck came with the 18" alloy wheels ($1020), I asked about wheel locks. Allen said it would be cheaper if I got them from the parts department. They are $79 MSRP on the Toyota web site, but JBT sold them to me for $56.80. I also wanted the spare tire lock, $73 MSRP, but JBT sold it to me for $41.40, AND, they will ship it to me via UPS for free (they are out of stock).
Also, the truck did not list any floor mats, but it came with the All weather floor mats.
And, the truck had a full tank of gas.
Well, I am tired of posting about my GREAT EXPERIENCE!!!
Mike
P.S. See post #1544 for what I paid. You can also go to http://www.jimbarkleytoyota.com to see the MSRP and Selling Price.
I had a similar experience with Tom Scott Toyota in Nampa, Idaho. Best experience I've had ever. They were giving 6,000 dollars off MSRP. A dealer 30 miles away was giving 6,500 in Ontario, Oregon. I asked the sales manager if he would match their offer. He didn't flinch and gave it to me. I really didn't have to negotiate because at that much off I was getting the truck for 2,800 below their cost. I know the dealership gets a rebate from Toyota but I made a great deal. I also traded in my old Toyota truck and asked for wholesale (All dealers only pay wholesale, if they don't that add it to the price of the new truck)and they gave me exactly what Blue Book said. I understand I could have made more money selling my truck myself but I didn't want to take the time and energy. I bought a $34,800 Toyota Tundra for a little over $28,000 dollars. The real kicker is in Idaho they only charge you sales tax (6%) on the difference between the new car price and the price of the trade-in. Another great deal is the DMV only charged me $54.00 dollars a year for tags and license. I also could buy two years and I did for the great sum of $108.00. They also gave me my license plates when I paid for my tags. I couldn't believe it since I just moved from California and I don't want to tell you what they would have charged in taxes, license.
Just tell everyone to price out the truck at Edmunds first. I also use Blue Book which has a more detailed list of options. They both should price out at the same price to the penny. I always take my paperwork to dealer and I want them to know I know what their cost is.
Oh, I also got a full tank of gas, but I didn't get the oil change deal.
Joe
Not true. The payload ratings of the Tundra are squarely within the 1/2-ton range in terms of the competition; and not the 3/4-ton range, which are rated to carry significantly more.
Bob
Also, I called Toyota today, 888-331-4331 option 6. If you tell them you have previously owned toyotas, they will send you a loyalty check. I am on my 3rd, and 5th as a family. They will send me a check for $750. The catch is they only do it after you purchase and fax the bill of sale to them. They did send me this information and quote via email, and are mailing it as well for proof. They don't disclose this to the dealers, because they tend to boost pricing which is not what Toyota wants, per the rep I spoke with.
Billmanweh@sbcglobal.net
My Tundra
2007 Toyota Tundra Double Cab 5.7 L V8 2x4
Color: Gray
Date purchased: 3/31/07
Annual Mileage: 25,681
Gas Mileage
Best: 32.2 mpg
Worst: 11.7 mpg
Average: 20.6 mpg
That's what I'd expect from Toyota. 381 horsepower and 20+ MPG; OH YEAH!!
Hope this helps you guys. I bought my new CrewMax today. Hard to stay off the gas. It is much bigger then my 05 crew cab, and the JBL system is nice. It has a center channel speaker, which is taking time to get use to as it sounds like most of the main sound comes from it. The bass is nice, and my 2 yr old thinks it is a new jungle gym!!
I'll check back in a day or 2 to see if you guys are able to get through.