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Toyota Tundra VS Ford F-150

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  • barlitzbarlitz Member Posts: 752
    I have a 99 F250 light duty 4x4 4 door supercab with the 5.4 auto limited slip and 3.73 gears.The truck has a towing capacity of 8200lbs.It has 260HP and 350 lbs Tourque.I have added a K&N fipk along with a Gibson split rear duals and a superchip.I have smoked Z71 regular cabs at light races.With the mods I have added its probably pushing close to 300HP and 390 lbs tourque.The truck I had before this was a 99 lightning which was complete insanity for a truck but to impracticle.There have been some casting problems with the 5.4 headgaskets but they are few and far between and Ford will fix if you have one,I think the problem has been resolved as of 3/99 on the engine build dates.I had a 5.4 in the lightning build date 5/99 and the build date on the F250 is 8/99.No problems what so ever with either truck.keep in mind there are probably over a million 5.4 engines built every year with the F series and expeditions.And in 2003 Ford will have a new 5.4 engine 3 valve instead of the current 5.4 2 valve with 305 hp and 385 lbs tourque along with a V6 deisel engine availible for the F150.
  • dbhulldbhull Member Posts: 150
    Quadrunner500. Thanks for the time you took to answer my questions. Very much informative and appreciated. I tend to agree with you about the difference between the two trucks in performance. That is why I am having such a hard time in deciding if/what I want to do. It comes down to almost 100% cosmetic preferences, ride, etc. The drivetrains are so close. I do wish they made a 4:10 for the Ford though. Then I would feel even better.

    Barlitz. Thanks for your input as well. It is not hard to spot that you are a bonified and die hard Ford fan. Nothing wrong with that.

    Dan.
  • devil1devil1 Member Posts: 74
    Do you know if they are going to do a major redesign of the exterior completely of the F-150 soon? I hate buying a car and the next year they change it completely. Then your 1 year old car (or truck) feels five years old.
  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Member Posts: 2,721
    I think you raise a good point, but...I think Dan mentioned a Ford SuperCrew. If that's the case, there's virtually no danger in getting burned. That truck is hot, hot, hot.
  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Member Posts: 2,721
    No thanks necessary. You took quite a bit of time figuring out those TR55's gapped to 0.52 also. I haven't had a chance yet, but did switch to premium since the weather warmed. It gets rid of the ping, but also knocks a bigger hole in my wallet. So I'm going to put them in soon.
  • dbhulldbhull Member Posts: 150
    I think people have had varied results using the high test fuel to resolve the ping. I personally found that initially it would help, but then it actually seemed to cause carbon build ups and start pinging even worse. If I went back to regular unleaded and put a bottle of quality gas treatment (amsoil or redline) in with it, it would clean the injectors and top of the pistons, etc. and quit pinging. I have had no problems with ping since those plugs though.

    Dan.
  • barlitzbarlitz Member Posts: 752
    I'm not sure about the interior but I do know that in 2003 the exterior will get a makeover,you can check out www.f150online.com or www.blueovalnews.com there's a lot of info on those sites.
    dbhull I wouldn't say I'm a true Ford diehard fan I've actually never driven a Chevy or a Dodge pickup.I almost bought a 96 full size Tahoe with the 350 engine in it, 4x4, the thing did haul and drove very nice.But they wanted to much so when I went to Ford they had 3 lightnings they gave me a hell of a trade in and the next thing you know I'm driving around in a Lightning.I will say being an electrician we always had Ford E350 or E250 vans and we abused the hell out of them and they never gave any problems.So thats probably why I like the Ford pickup.
  • lukacslukacs Member Posts: 23
    Where did you get the "more engine power" and "more payload capacity"? Again, don't make yourself ridiculous by comparing the Tundra with a truck that has a bigger engine. Compare an apple to an apple. What I found at www.edmunds.com and www.carsdirect.com was this:
    Ford F150 Super Cab 4.6L V8 engine
    Max payload capacity: 1,755Lbs
    Power: 220HP
    Toyota Tundra Access Cab 4.7L V8 engine
    Max payload capacity: 1,924Lbs
    Power: 245HP
    "Actually made for work"
    I understand, you are in a Tundra bashing mood and you try to make up all you can against the Tundra. That's fine with me. But when you get serious, what do you think the Tundra was REALLY made for?
  • lukacslukacs Member Posts: 23
    I can't give you an advice on which truck to choose, but I can tell you this: I have a 2000 Ford Explorer. At 3000 miles the engine developed a diesel sound. I took it in to the dealer and they said the engine had to be replaced. They didn't seem to be surprised at all (after all it already ran 3000 miles, it's time for a new engine). Also, the doors are not painted on the bottom. As I found out this is "normal" on Explorers. I wouldn't even make a big deal of it, but who knows what else is "NORMAL" at Ford. Maybe a new engine every 3000 miles?
    I also have a 1983 Toyota pickup. It has about 200,000 miles on it and never had any serious problem. The way it still runs, I expect at least another 100,000 miles.

    This may not be typical, I'm only telling my personal experiences with those two vehicles.
    I'm not trying to tell you to buy a Tundra instead of the F150. As a matter of fact, I'm encouraging you NOT to buy a Tundra to keep demand down, so I won't have to pay too much when I buy mine.
  • devil1devil1 Member Posts: 74
    I thank you for your honesty. I am trying to get an unbias opinion here, and I appreciate when someone tells a truthful story. I have heard of people having problems with their Tundras, too. A couple major, but the rest mostly 1st year flaws. ANY vehicle is going to have lemons, but I do notice that Toyota's have consistently been very reliable.
    However, I could buy a Tundra tomorrow and drive for 100K miles with NO problems, and you could buy a Tundra tomorrow from the same place and drive 3K miles and have to replace the engine. The fact is the percentage is in your favor more with the Toyota's than with the Big3's (Especially Chevy or Dodge).

    Now I have to decide if the reliability factor outweighs the Ford's advantages.
  • RoclesRocles Member Posts: 982
    lukas,

    Compare actual models that identical. I found the Tundra with the 4.7(7738 model) has a 1798 payload. Remember another tidbit of fact: Toyota doesn't have as much options as Ford. The 4.6 that you quote is what? Work/XL/XLT/Lariat? Heavy(Former 250) or light? Toy can't compare-yet.
  • prowlnprowln Member Posts: 2
    I am new-comer to this site and felt I needed to voice my opinion as well. First of all, who created the 'Tundra VS F150' list? My 1998 F150 Supercab XLT 4.6L, automatic had 48,000 miles on it and thought I might trade/sell for a 4-door pickup (baby # 2 on the way). Since the Toyota T100 was touted in the past against the F150, I thought I would test the new Toyota Tundra (4 doors)because my perception of Toyotas also was they are reliable. After waiting 45 minutes for a salesman on my lunch hour 3 months ago, I finally got a chance to drive the Tundra, 4x2 Limited with the 4.7L. What a major disappointment after driving the Tundra. The size alone convinced me to look back at the F150s. As for reliability, my '98 gave me a few issues to overcome but were handled without dispare at the dealer. Interior room easily out-weighed the issues I had with my '98 F150. Back to the point, the topic for discussion should read 'Tundra VS Dakota' not 'Tundra VS F150" because the Tundra interior room nor pickup bed area are even close the physical size of the F150's interior room and bed area. After test driving the 2000 Dodge and Chevy, my 2001 F150 Deep Wedgewood Blue, Silver accent Supercrew XLT 4x2 5.4L ......should be at the dealer by May 31, 2000. I will keep you posted!
  • lukacslukacs Member Posts: 23
    The 1,924lbs payload is for the SR5 Access cab 4.7L V8. The 1,798lbs is for the limited, but even that is still higher than ANY of the F150's. I took the time and checked ALL F150's listed on www.edmunds.com. The highest payload rating for ANY of the listed models was 1,780lbs.
  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Member Posts: 2,721
    ...in the bed of Tundra, the suspension is down on the frame stops. It sags miserably at far less than the rating. Look at the dinky leaf springs, thin, narrow...doesn't take a rocket scientist. I drove a Tundra with about 700 lbs in the bed. About all you want. Don't do any night driving either, headlights are up in the eyes of traffic.
  • RoclesRocles Member Posts: 982
    lukas,

    You missed my point. First off, there is the 7700 payload package-option-that would raise bed payload to around 1850 pounds. Second--you would be a damn fool to actually put 1900 pounds in any Toyota. Third: OPTIONS.
    What options you ask? How about a bargain F-250 with the 5.4 that has a 3661 pound rating? 14100 tow? All could be had for less than 19500 dollars and that, my friend, is far cheaper than any Tundra. (Yes, that's with an extended cab for the S-D) Look it up at www.edmunds.com!

    Options....something Toyota doesn't have--...yet.
  • lukacslukacs Member Posts: 23
    I missed your point? To me it looks like you missed your own point. I thought you wanted to compare similar models and now you are comparing the F250 to the Tundra. The Tundra was meant to compete with the F150. If you need a bigger truck, you can buy the F250. However, would you buy an F150 just because of the availability of the F250?
    You say the 7700 payload package-option would raise bed payload to around 1850 pounds. To me that's still a smaller number than 1924. Why do you think you would be a fool to put that much weight on a Toyota? Do you think a Ford would handle it's max. payload better than a Toyota?
    Please don't give me a trucksrme style answer: "Just look at the size of that pumpkin"
  • cdeancdean Member Posts: 1,110
    Yes, a Ford would handle 1850 lbs, much better than a Toyota. Toyota simply doesn't have the springs or frame.

    The Tundra is a great truck, but it is about 7/8 of the Big 3. And thats plenty for a lotta truck drivers out there, who never use 20% of their trucks capacity. But if you constantly use that upper 50% of your truck capacity, you'll be happier with the Big 3.
  • prowlnprowln Member Posts: 2
    My friend, if you would have check the F150 factory brochure for payloads, the F150 Supercrew does have a payload rating of 1900 lbs. Trailer towing capacity of 8000 lbs.
    I had over 2000 lbs in my 98 F150 Supercab (rated at 1550) and the frame stops were just touching the axle housing. I agree with quadrunner500 and cdean, the Tundra is a very light duty pickup. That is evident by the smaller frame and axle housing. As quadrunner500 said about the Tundra, 700 lbs max. It boils down to the confidence felt when driving each truck with it heavy payloads. I felt confident driving my F150 even with 2000 lbs. It probably would not last very long if I did that every day, but I think the manufacture builts that buffer into the design. Ford has been building trucks longer than Toyota. Got to go, my son is up.
  • devil1devil1 Member Posts: 74

    I've been debating on a Tundra or an F-150 for about 6 months now, and I think I finally (Maybe) made my decision for the F-150. This is why:

    1. I didn't like the interior too much until I saw the Lariat last night which looks nearly identical (Just bigger) than the Tundra. I didn't realize how much Toyota copied the inside.
    2. I like the flareside option that Ford offers.
    3. The truck with the bigger 5.4 engine in a bigger truck still gets the same gas mileage (14/18 Ford vs. 14/17 Tundra)
    4. The backseat is on an 18% decline, so my baby car seat and/or friend will fit much more comfy. Plus I think it's big enough to fit people comfortably. It's very deceiving from the outside.

    The only thing I don't like about the Ford is the fact that the powertrain warranty is only 3 years/36,000 miles, and I have heard some issues with the 5.4 engine.

    The only thing I really liked better about the Tundra was the fact that it is a Toyota. The engine is just a lot smoother and sounds better, and I'm sure the truck will be a little more reliable, but hey you only live once, right? I'm gonna get what I like the best.

    I'm planning on getting a small boat, and I don't haul much, so payload and towing capacity aren't really much of a factor.

    I just hope the Ford holds up good.
  • lukacslukacs Member Posts: 23
    You guys convinced me. Now I'm gonna buy a Ford.
  • barlitzbarlitz Member Posts: 752
    If you need a little more confidence in the 5.4 www.wardsauto.com rates it as one of the top 10 best engines in the world for under $50,000.It beat Chevy although they did have good things to say about the 5.3 and it also beat the Tundra's 4.7 saying it was to soft for a pickup truck application.
  • devil1devil1 Member Posts: 74
    Thanks for the link. I just have heard a few bad things about it, but according to different publications, it gets good reliability reviews (In fact the Ford gets better than any other domestic truck). So I do feel a bit more confident.

    I really had my heart set on the Tundra, but the Ford is more truck for the buck (For what my options are, they cost about the same, though.)
  • devil1devil1 Member Posts: 74
    Has anyone installed an aftermarket exhaust on an F-150 to give it a more muscular sound like the Chevy's I hear?? I like the deep throat, burble sounding Chevy's, but wouldn't buy one.
  • cdeancdean Member Posts: 1,110
    devil1

    Not to knock the Tundra, but it is VERY obvious when Toyota was designing the Tundra, their screensaver was TARGET F-150.

    Look at the front of the truck, look at the interior. Hell, they originally were going to call it T-150 until Ford raised holy hell about it.

    Sounds like for your needs you could go Tundra or Ford. What size do you want? Ford gives more for the same money.
  • RoclesRocles Member Posts: 982
    cdean,
    That's blasphemy to Toyota owners--to claim it was copied the Ford! Gosh...Do companies do that? ;)

    lukas,
    Go ahead and compare similar models. The F-150 is cheaper and has a rating 74 pounds less, right? So 74 pounds is the final line for you? 74 pounds makes the Tundra a winner? Hmmm... I've seen overweigted Foreign trucks and they simply hug the ground far closer than any domestic and the reason is frame and suspension. The "rating" is a sheet of paper that Toyota always overestimates whereas the domestics know better through the years. Remember, these are techinally "Half-tons". Well, although the ratings were low for years, (I remember), guys always put more in.
    I just don't believe that Toyota has that commercial truck insight and will probably be burned on it until they beef up the frame and springs.
    My other point was options. Options allow for you to actually pick another model instead of overworking a smaller one. That's why I brought up the S-D. If you plan on regularly haul over 1500 pounds--you shouldn't have a half-ton. Toy doesn't offer that option yet.
  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Member Posts: 2,721
    Agree with Rocs. When someone says, "I thought we were comparing 1/2 ton trucks..." the comparison becomes arbitrary. If the 3/4 SD Rocs mentioned, is price competitive with the Toyota, then the decision among trucks boils down to wants versus needs. The prospective owner needs it to be a Toyota, but wants it to be full size, or the other way around. Doesn't do both for the same money.
  • tstraubtstraub Member Posts: 25
    Hope your truck works out for you. I have been reading this board for about 6 months,and just ordered a 2000 F150 S-cab 4x4 w/ most of the toys- I drove the Chevy, Dodge and Toyota before deciding, and the only one I liked at all was the Toy, it was very smooth and had a nice exhaust note. But it just didn't seem beefy enough, not enough truck for my money. Enjoy!
  • lukacslukacs Member Posts: 23
    Why don't we pick a Ford 5 ton? It hauls way more than 5 ton and it tows your house. What's a Tundra compared to that? I'm sure that makes you guys feel better about Ford.
  • cdeancdean Member Posts: 1,110
    naw, 5 tons cost way too much, and don't ride very good. i've tried.
  • z71billz71bill Member Posts: 1,986
    74 pounds of groceries is a lot - even though Tundra gets less MPG than the F-150, you will make it up by taking less trips to the store.
  • devil1devil1 Member Posts: 74
    I was looking at the 2000 F-150 4x4 today, and the front end seems lower than many of them I see on the road. Did they change the front lower valence part of the grill or something? The other one I am referring to is where the bumper sticks out about 6 inches. For some reason it looks higher up in front to me.
  • tstraubtstraub Member Posts: 25
    I think it has had the same look for a while now. I did notice that the little plastic part under the honeycomb grill dips down as it goes under the honeycomb and back up at the sides.
  • bigsnagbigsnag Member Posts: 394
    They changed grills and bumpers in '99. The grille is larger and does dip down lower. On '97-'98 it went straight across. I don't think it lowered the bumper height, though.
  • devil1devil1 Member Posts: 74
    Now I hear that 60+% of F-150's develop cracks in the doors for 97-2000 models. Yikes, everytime I keep deciding on a truck I always hear something bad.
  • rooster9rooster9 Member Posts: 239
    At first I thought the door cracks were just a rumor, but then I checked on my friend's '97 F-150. Sure enough, both sides have the door crack, and it's rusty so it will probably spread if it's not fixed, but he doesn't care about it because he's selling his truck anyway. I hadn't heard of any of the 5.4L engine problems myself either. So I asked that same friend that works at the local Ford dealership. He's seen one in so far with a faulty head gasket, on a '99 F-150. He said he'd never get an F-150 with a 5.4L. Now I'm not trying to influence your decision at all, just sharing some experiences.
  • sel714sel714 Member Posts: 35
    I have a 97 XLT ext cab 4.2L. I love the way it rides and drives. 56,000 mi now developed the crack in the drivers door sometime since I waxed it last fall. Was looking at trading on a new one when I noticed the crack (keep thinking how bad it is going to look in a year or two) it is just starting to rust a little. Wanted to get a new 2000 F-150 but if they have not did anything to fix this problem I guess I will have to wait.
    Was on my way to work last Wedensday the truck started making a knocking noise. I pulled over and got out sounded like a liffter or a valve noise to me. I call my local dealer and they said to bring on in. The next day they called and said it was a lower engine noise. Probroly a rod bearing. He said we call Ford and they were shipping a new engine would be here in 4 or 5 days.
    There was a recall last winter on the timing chain cover gasket. When I took it in I told them that I had lost a gallon of coolant and that none of it was on my garage floor. Even though I had checked my oil and didn't see any sign of coolant in it. I am now sure that is where it must have went into the oil and it damaged the crank bearings. So now I will have a truck with a
    New engine and a cracked door. Hope they fix the door problems on the 2001. If anyone finds that they have fixed this problem on the new trucks please post here. As I don't like the Dodge,Chevy
    and the Toyota is to small in the rear seat. Doesn't look as nice as the Ford either.
    (In my opinion)
  • paulfolsepaulfolse Member Posts: 4
    Quadrunner500 states in post no. 331 that you shouldn't carry over 700 lbs. in the Tundra. I recently hauled 25 bags of concrete mix (60 lbs. each)in my Tundra SR5. That's 1500 lbs. for you mentally challenged (Trucksrme). Hauled great.
    I have about 6000 miles on my Tundra and love it. I highly recommend the Tundra.
  • rooster9rooster9 Member Posts: 239
    Is that what you call the "superior reliability" of the Big 3 trucks? Doesn't look like that to me! Where do you get the idea about the head gaskets? If it's from the recall on the Tacomas, how does that apply to a V-8 Tundra? I don't know about you, but I've never seen a V-8 Tacoma. This be a good one for sure! The people that rent the land on our farm have a Toyota Tacoma pickup. It's an old one! It hauls so much crap around it's not even funny. And guess what, it's doing farmwork!
  • rooster9rooster9 Member Posts: 239
    Now you're getting desperate and just making stuff up. Did you ever know about GM's bad paint primer on their older vehicles? 2 of our vehicles suffer from it. One is an '87 Pontiac Bonneville, a couple years ago the factory blue paint started turning white. It was also peeling in a lot of places. GM either had oil on the metal before they painted or it was not primed properly. We did paint the Bonneville up recently. The other vehicle is an '85 Chevy K1500 truck. Talk about peeling paint! Kinda neat when you're driving it and a large chip of paint flys toward you and hits the windshield. I wish I knew how many actual miles are on this truck. The odometer reads somewhere around 70,000. I would like to know if it was turned over or not. Is there any way at all of telling if it was? Of course it is the odometers that don't go beyond 99,000 miles before they roll over.
  • lukacslukacs Member Posts: 23
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  • lukacslukacs Member Posts: 23
    You know, ford250, I don't know if you read my previous messages, but I did buy a Ford - a 2000 Explorer. As I wrote earlier, it hardly passed 3000 miles and it needs a new engine. The service rep told me it would take 5-7 business days for the engine to arrive but that was 3 weeks ago and I haven't heard of them since. I tried to call them but all I got was a voice mail. I left a message; however, they never bothered to return my call. I guess, that's how important customers are at Ford. That's the reason why I'm currently in a "FORD SUCKS" mood. I'm sure you understand. Otherwise I am seriously considering an F150. Even before I bought the Explorer, I heard a lot of people complaining about it and now I can see why. But I haven't really heard anything bad about the F150 except for the door crack. Earlier I had my heart set on the Tundra but as I found out, it has a vibration problem that they haven't found a cure for yet. I asked Cliffy about it but he never replied. Now I don't know what to do. There are only two trucks that I like and both have a fault. I guess, whoever fixes the problem first will get my business. In Ford's case only if they prove to me that they care about their customers.
  • ford250ford250 Member Posts: 25
    Did your Explorer have the 4.0 SOHC V-6. If so these motors are known to be a bad design form Ford. Ford has had alot of problems out of these engines. Ford needs to redesign this junk motor.
  • lukacslukacs Member Posts: 23
    I have the base OHV V6 (I think that's what it's called). I heard the SOHC V6 was junk and I tried to avoid it. Looks like this OHV ain't a killer design either.
  • RoclesRocles Member Posts: 982
    lukas,

    You lost all credibilty in this debate. What was the point in clogging up the screen with your crying, hissy-fit? Let me know when the baby-sitter leaves...


    Z71,
    Re: post 251,
    Huh? Do you really think that 74 pounds on paper is a clincher? I guess most people drive all day with a full-maxed out load and then decide to go to Acme? As if the 74 over would crush the F-150?
  • ford250ford250 Member Posts: 25
    Well lukacs most 4.0 OHV are very good engines that can last up to 150k plus. I am sorry you just must have a bad one.
  • z71billz71bill Member Posts: 1,986
    The 74 pound post was a joke. I don't know how to type sarcastically. The clue was 74 pounds of groceries - as in that is the main use of the Tundra - run to the store.
  • RoclesRocles Member Posts: 982
    Sarcasm is tough on type without prose.
  • dressageriderdressagerider Member Posts: 3
    I currently have a 1993 Toyota 4Runner with 195K miles and running strong. My husband has a Ford F-150 that I've been using for hauling my horse that has also been a great truck. I pull a two horse bumper pull trailer with dressing room with the Ford. My question is this: has anyone tried hauling horses with the Tundra? I've had such a great experience with my 4Runner that I'm really hoping the Tundra can be my next hauling truck. I realize the Tundra may not be quite "there" for heavy loads yet but perhaps in 2-3 years when I'm ready to replace the 4Runner, those details will be worked out. Another question for those of you with Fords: how many miles can I reasonably expect on the F-150 truck? Do you think I'll get as much as on my 4Runner?
  • trucksrmetrucksrme Member Posts: 381
    Them Fords can take the haul, thats for sure. Move on up too a big3 one, that 4runner be sharin drivetrain parts with them tundras, they be the same down "undra". Good luck on this one now!
  • bamatundrabamatundra Member Posts: 1,583
    What does your fully loaded trailer weigh?
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