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Some of the BMW enthusiast Web sites/forums like Bimmerfest and Bimmerpost have dealer sponsors that may be more open to online/phone negotiations.
I contacted multiple dealers and was able to negotiate a fair deal after I found a dealer and internet sales person that could do everything via email/telephone. I did make a visit to this dealer for a test drive and had a very positive experience. I got the final pricing via email and didn't need to waste time negotiating on site.
Don't rush into anything - take your time and don't get manipulated by a dealer into doing business their way vs. what is good for ypu.
Hope this helps,
Lee
Color: Jet Black. Option: Premium. Price Paid: $41500. MSRP:$43,195. State Tax:$2468! Location: Houston, TX.
is this an OTD price? Can you provide the dealer info?
thanks
Dealer: Momentum BMW West.
OTD price was $43,968 ($41500 + State Tax:$2468).
Looking to purchase x3 with the following options
Invoice Price MSRP Edmunds Price
Base Car with Leatherette $35740.00 $38850 $36951
Titanium Silver Color $500 $550 $522
Cold Weather Package $635 $700 $664
MoonRoof $1230 $1350 $1283
BMW Assist w/Enhanced Bluetooth and USB $590 $650 $617
Roof Rails in Aluminum Satin $230 $250 $239
Destination Fee $895 $895 $895
Total $39820 $43245 $41171
So based on this configuration, how much do you think i should offer? The guy is giving me the car for $42600. I think it is way high. Based on the messages, I have seen, I am thinking the price should be between $40000 and $41000. Thoughts? I have bought previous cars before and usually have gone $100-$200 below Edmunds Invoice Price. I have never bought a BMW so looking for help on where i should start negotiating.
Thanks
Destination Fee
I'm fairly new to this forum and I'm planning to buy my 1st car with budget $42000+/-1000 (Out of door price), tax here is 6% and there are only a few dealers in state.
I wonder is there any chance I could get X3 28i with package: premium/technology/convenient/cold weather; the MSRP I got online is $48395.
Or maybe I should opt for audi Q5 2.0 T with package: navigation plus/other at MSRP $45505?
Where can I found the correponding involce price??
Another question, I graduated 1.5 years ago, do I still qualify for college student rebate, if any?
Thanks in advance for your advice!!
X Drive
Convenience Package
Premium Package
Premium Sound Package
Technology Package
Heated Front Seats
36 month lease, 15k a year
MSRP 49,695.
Selling Price 46,920.
Doc Fee 549.
Acquisition Fee 925. (I think this should have been 725.)
License Fee 74.
Money factor .00135
Residual .57 (28,326.15)
Total Cap Reduction 316.94
Net Cap Cost 48,151.06
Downpayment $1,000.
Monthly $673.55
Thoughts???
they have done few diff things to the car and change few packages around to make it more confusing.....
What about older models ... now that they are EOL....will the dealers try to get rid of them faster ?
thx
MSRP $44,195
Discount $750 (since we are looking at leasing another vehicle, they are willing to take another $750 off so a total of $1,500 but the additional $750 is not figured in below)
Selling price $43,445
Aftermarkets $495
Total rebates $750
Customer cash $4,752
Residual $25,33.65
Monthly payment $582.85
Includes:
Cold weather package
Split rear seats
Heated front seats
Panoramic moon roof
Navigation
I would LOVE to hear your thoughts and suggestions. We have always bought our vehicles so the leasing thing is extremely new to us.
Thanks!
with the following packages
Sport Activity Package
Cold Weather Package
Dynamic Handling Package
Premium Package
Premium Sound Package
Technology Package
rubber mats
Total price of vehicle was 51 plus not including tax...my receipt doesn't state residual value.. tax or doc fees..it just list options and down payment/monthly payment....Salesman just started working there i guess.
just 2700 total out of pocket...don't know exactly what this includes or what fees im paying.
loyalty rebate of 750 goes to dealer i believe...that much i know coz of the promo
599 monthly payments...
I just gave them a list of options and they charge my credit card for 1000.00...it happen so fast that ..I didn't even get a chance to negotiate. I was hoping to get lower payments since im currently paying 559 a month on a 2010x3
- Premium package
- Technology package
- Cold weather package
- BMW assist and online
The MSRP comes to $48,000. Dealer is offering for $40,000.
Is this a good deal? Is there room for more negotiation?
Since it is a low mileage car I get the annual oil change which is the only service it usually receives under the four year warranty/maintenance. The car is not a high cost vehicle under the BMW warranty/maintenance.
I made an appointment to get the oil change and was told when I arrived that they would not be doing any service on the car. They would check the items I requested but they refused to do the oil change because it would be 6 days too late to qualify.
The low mileage fine print somewhere in the documents (not on their web site or other easily accessible location) says that there exists a one month window annually for this service. Otherwise you are out of luck buddy and we, at BMW, do not care about you or your danged car.
Did they say this when I bought the car? No. Maybe it is in the fine, fine, fine print somewhere I have not found it yet.
Did they say this when I brought the car in for low mileage oil changes? No.
Did they say this when I brought the car in last year? No.
Did they say this when they knew it would be going out of warranty/maintenance as a common courtesy? No.
Did they say this when I made the appointment? No.
Did they say this when they confirmed the appointment? No.
This is my second BMW and it will be my last. I will get what I can out of it and will be happy to boot this lousy experience out of my garage for good.
For the lack of a simple oil change and decent customer service BMW loses a longtime customer.
What they heck, they are having a good few years and they don't care about any of us. :lemon: :lemon: :lemon: :lemon: :lemon:
From the frightening stories of the original transmission problems to the extremely hard and bumpy ride to the loud noises it makes going up even the smallest of hills to the accounts of the failing and extremely expensive sunroof cassettes to those of the water that pours into the car from either the roof drainage holes or the leaf clogged back of the hood....what will happen in the future? Read up and worry!
The lose-a-customer-today rigid oil change policy is just the cherry on top of the sour sundae.
I have driven many cars in my life and I have never had one that is more of a less-reassuring pain-in-the-neck than the BMW X3. Never.
My understanding, albeit limited, is that a directive came down from above to ratchet down the timing so nothing, not even a penny of service, is provided to the BMW customer. IIRC the term was 'tight' so that even less than a week of being out of warranty was cause to deny a simple oil change.
If BMW is not being cheap and cheesy then one of its dealers is being openly hostile to a longterm BMW customer.
Why would that happen?
This was an appointment made online, confirmed online and then service was denied at the dealership.
My image of BMW: :lemon: :lemon: :lemon:
This is clear since you are posting about customer service issues in a thread about PRICES PAID. Are you going to tell us what you paid for the car?
2014 BMW X3 28i with Deep Sea Blue Metallic Color and Sienaa Wood Trim, Black Leatherette (which is standard)
Driver Assistance Package
Panaromic Moon Roof
Heated Front seats
The price quoted for me is $ 42,195 against MSRP $ 44,375. It doesn't look so attractive to me. What would be a good price?
Read the title. Makes all the difference doesn't it.
"BMW X3 Prices Paid and Buying Experience"
This is about the buying experience which is not good.
Sport Activity
Premium
Technology
Cold Weather
Premium Sound
BMW Apps
$489/month 36 months 15,000 miles/year
$1500 total down (including all fees)
MSRP Price: $49,095
Executive demo from BMW Corporate
9,934 miles on the car.
Please let me know your thoughts, plan on signing this tomorrow.
Thank You.
The sticker price was 42,500. Not sure what they adjusted the final price to.
Thanks, again.
Std ext and interior paint and leatherette and silver trim (all free stuff)
Driver assist pkg
Dynamic handling pkg
Tech pkg
Moonroof
Edmund inv $44,090 and msrp $47,925
What should I expect to be a reasonably good deal from dealer?
Also, please anyone let me know what goes on in the dreaded F&I office? Are bmw folks really "nicer" or not different from the others?
Thanks all!!
Some advice would be great.
Again the numbers:
$489/36 months 15k miles/year
$1500 total down including taxes and fees.
2013 X3 28i with
Sport Activity
Premium
Technology
Cold Weather
Premium Sound
BMW Apps
MSRP: $49045
Residual of $26,097 (Thoughts on this?)
Thank you again.
From order to delivery it took just 1 month and 2 days (and we are on the west coast!). When we ordered we were given a production slot 3 weeks in the future, so it only took about 2 weeks from start of production to delivery.
I did *a lot* of research online and have the following advice for anyone currently looking to buy and X3:
1. You should always negotiate based on the invoice price and not on the MSRP. Calculate the invoice price for the configuration you want on Edmunds.
2. You can test drive the car at your closest dealer, but buy the car over the internet. Contact multiple dealers at the same time via email. Any dealer within 300-500 miles of your house is fair game. Tell them you are a serious buyer and exactly what configuration you want and what invoice price it has. Tell them you have done your research and know how much X3s are going for over invoice and ask them for their price. Tell them the first dealer that quotes you a fair price is getting the business.
3. Based on postings from the BMW user group message boards, people who follow this tactic appear to be able to consistently get an X3, no matter what the final configuration is, for $300-$700 over invoice without much hassle at all. Many BMW dealers appear to be willing to sell any BMW for $500 over invoice. If you wait until the end of the month or quarter, negotiate doggedly, and are not picky you can sometimes get invoice or below. The dealers that do the most volume are the ones that are typically are the most willing to deal on price. They can sell close to or below invoice because they receive what are essentially kickbacks from BMW if they hit certain sales volumes. The more cars they sell, the bigger the kickbacks. Thus, the biggest dealers can actually sell below invoice and still make decent money on a per car basis (and good money in the aggregate) if they hit certain volume thresholds.
4. It was surprising to learn that custom orders should get equal or better pricing to buying an existing car off of the lot. Custom orders generate no carrying costs for a dealer so they are actually quite profitable, especially if they increase overall sales volumes. Do not be afraid to negotiate just as hard on a custom order as you would for a car on the lot. If the dealer tries to play hardball by claiming their production slots are in short supply, tell them you will just find a dealer with an open slot.
5. Order your accessories (car mats, roof racks, etc.) separately online. You can get discounts of 20-25% on BMW accessories online. This is much better than the implied discount you will get if you buy with the car or if you buy them at the dealer (which will often offer you a 15% discount if you buy them the same day you pick up the car).
6. Always negotiate a price first. Never negotiate financing or a trade-in until you have settled on a price.
The first dealer we went to was a local dealer than has a monopoly in our city. They had no inventory and said that if we custom ordered they would "do us a favor" and give us $1,000 off MSRP because inventory and production slots we "in such short supply". Don't be fooled by such obvious cons.
Decide what you want and contact multiple dealers over the internet and negotiate via email. This is the key to getting a good price.
Just bought my 3rd BMW from my dealer. Ordered a '14 X3 35i for $750 over invoice. Before rebates and incentives. ($500 loyalty, $500 turnkey off 1st month's pay't, $500 BMW CCA member rebate).
Finance is 2.99%, but if rates drop before I take delivery, or if bigger incentives come on the scene, I may be eligible to do even better. In the past, rates have dropped the month AFTER I make my purchase. Just my luck.
You may find there is less wiggle room on the 35i price than the 28i since they only take one order for 35i for about every 30 28i's ordered... or so they say.
I was offered a 28i at ~$250 over invoice, but after I loaded it up with all the packages/options, I went with the 35i. It came down to about $2k difference when all was said and done. Over 60 months, the difference seemed worth it for the extra horsies and package amenities I wouldn't have otherwise purchased.
Plus, I had a 335xi before and am trading in my 535xi. No offense intended to 28i owners, but I couldn't really get used to the 28i after the 35i engines. I found myself putting it in Sport mode all the time- negating any fuel efficiency, and probably straining the engine if I did it all the time.
At the end of a hard 12-14 hr day of work, my ride home is like a 2nd paycheck for me. The thrust and exhaust note off a 35 is better than punching a speed bag when it comes to starting to unwind from the stress. I don't drink, smoke, cheat, golf or make my wife a football season widow. My pleasures in life (outside of family) are my car, good BBQ, and Springsteen concerts.
My trade was respectable- equaled what Galves and other sites said it was worth. Hard to negotiate better than that.
Now I'm looking forward to the Spartanburg Performance Center delivery experience in mid-October. (I never see myself being able to make it to the Welt, so this will have to do). Unfortunately, two cool things are shut down now due to new model year tooling (and probably to prevent corporate espionage): the video portal where you can watch your Bimmer being built, and the factory tour. Tours resume summer 2014; no word on the video portal.
Also looking forward to driving home, in part, along the Blue Ridge parkway as well as some Carolina BBQ!
Mineral Silver with Tan Interior
Technology Package
Driver's Assistance Package
Driver Assistance Plus Package
Premium Package
Premium Hi Fi Stereo
Satin Roof Rack
Heated Front Seats
MSRP: 54,800 Price Paid: 51,150
Registration Fee: 51.75
Refundable Security Deposit: 399.00
Acquisition Fee: 725.00
Trade In Allowance: $5484.00 (They gave me full KBB value for my Audi Q5 after some serious haggling)
Money Down: $1000
36 months, 12,000 miles
Monthly: 599.98
MF: .00127
Residual: 56%
I think I did ok. If I had a little more stamina, I'm fairly certain that I could have gotten $1000 off. 6 hours at the very busy dealership made me throw in the towel though.
It says 750 OFF MSRP.
So it is fair to ask for it on top of negotiated price (2K below MSRP?)
Are there more incentives on pipeline for Nove with holidays?
Dealer was Craig, Park Ave BMW, Passaic Ave Internet sales/Pre-owned sales division (not the Rt 17 showroom), Maywood, NJ
BTW- I did the Performance Center Delivery and it is not to be passed up. Cost me $150 1-way plane ticket, $120 fuel and $90 hotel room half way home back to N. Jersey. I may detail the experience in another post.
What packages have you purchased within that OTD price?
In addition, what is the invoice price?
2014 X3 28i
Metallic Paint
Fineline wood trim
Cold Weather Pack
Driver Assistance Pack
Review w/Top View
Premium Pack
Technology Pack
Read Manual Shades
Roof Rails
Premium Hi-Fi
Automatic High Beams
MSRP. $51,800
Invoice $47,620
Agreed Price pre fees $48,220 ($600 over invoice)
+ BMW MACO ($500) and TRA Fees ($180)
+ $21 State DMV Fees
$48,921 OTD (does not include state sales tax)
•PANORAMIC MOONROOF
•HEATED FRONT SEATS
•FINELINE WAVE WOOD TRIM
•PARK DISTANCE CONTROL
•SPACE GRAY METALLIC
•DRIVER ASSISTANCE PACKAGE -inc: Rear-View Camera, Park Distance Control
•PREMIUM PACKAGE -inc: Nevada Leather Upholstery, Panoramic Moonroof, Satellite Radio, 1 year subscription, Comfort Access Keyless Entry, Lumbar Support
Quote MSRP 46,425
Selling Price 42,875 + TTL
Total price 45,915.27 Including TTL and Fees
Lease options
$3000 cash down 36 months @ $586
$5000 cash down 36 months @ $525
$7000 cash down 36 months @ $465
12,000 miles / year
Residual is 58% and the money factor is 1.65
Basically when leasing the goal is to put the least amount of money down on the car, usually 1st month payment, fee's...
Why are you leasing? Are you wanting lower monthly payments? Can you write off the payments?
Another option is BMW select, BMW will give a value after X years, (3,4,5) and that value is deducted from the price of the BMW. There is no mileage restrictions like in a lease, and after X years the price is what is owed on the car, you can either sale it, trade it or pay the balloon payment. I just did this on a 320i, payment is less then a lease and I own the car.
I am in northern california, bay area, too. I am looking to buy a X3 recently.
May you share with me the build/options you have for your new purchase, and the dealer you worked with.
The one I want to purchase is X3 xDrive28i:
Base MSRP: $39,800
Mineral Silver Metallic: $550
Driver Assistant Pkg.: $950
Technology Pkg.: $3,150
Des. & Handling: $925
Total MSRP: $45,375
(1) For this build, do you know how much is the invoice price?
(2) What program could I apply to?
This is the first time for me to purchase a car here. Your help is greatly appreciated!!
Got offered 2014 X3 2.8i with premium, Navi, driver assist, and heated seats --MSRP-$48575, selling price $42075 before TTL.
Is this a good deal and should i pull the trigger?