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Including a new C class Benz. Not exotic, but really sharp in dark blue. I could live with one of those.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
fin - you complain about a lot of things but not liking a dark car at night??
Is there more to the story??
I think that is happening to more and more people. The new electro luminescent gauges are always "lit" so folks forget to turn on their headlights.
If it was it top of the line Fusion, he needs to use the automatic headlight switch like we do in the Explorer.
You know what I just noticed?
Take a Fusion grille, flip it upside down, that's the Avalon's grille. Seriously, they're nearly identical, even down to the 5 chrome bars going across, the outer shape, everything.
It's interesting how a small tweak can make a vehicle look a lot better.
Avalon:
http://www.insideline.com/toyota/avalon/2013/2013-toyota-avalon-gets-price-cut.h- tml
Fusion:
http://www.insideline.com/ford/fusion/2013/2013-ford-fusion-se-first-drive.html
And speaking of wrong......looks like the Bavarians think one Crosstour isn't enough.
Oh, saw a new style Boxster last night, in a commercial parking garage. Alarm blaring, no owner in sight.
What an awkward Bimmer. 5 GT failed to generate much interest so why persist?
Fun thing is we'll get that 3er GT, but no wagon. I don't know what it is supposed to compete with either.
Oh, new Allroad drove by. Plastic trim looks cheap, not rugged.
Of course, some other unremarkable cars (5er GT, E wagon, GS hybrid etc) can pass that too.
:surprise:
At that point spend another 10 grand and get an X5d. The difference is less with incentives.
Options prices have gotten a little out of hand at BMW.
I remember seeing a new 3er in the showroom with a sticker of 58K. You can get a nice 5er for that.
A friend shopped for a Boxster and it was atypical - he basically went around looking for one that did *not* have the overpriced packages he didn't want, and when he found one he bought it.
Haggling for the deal was a secondary priority.
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
Mitsu is really hurting - they've lost 20,311 sales YTD compared to last year, and their 28% drop for the year is also the worst. :sick:
Hope they make it if only to keep the EVO alive.
I think the ILX may have been what made them cheapen the Civic to begin with, to create separation between these two. This type of "glass ceiling" can really hurt the lesser brand.
Honda doesn't have to suck for Acura to seem better than it is. Plus now that the Civic is better, is the ILX "better" enough to justify the high price?
Does Acura have any really likeable car at all right now? I have seen the replacement RL that is coming too - whoa, bland.
and the ILX is actually pretty nice, and well separated from the Civic. Especially inside, which is the worst part of the Civic. My daughter liked it (one of her friends is also getting one for her first car.)
They also have good lease deals. If that continues though the summer, if my son can get a job out of school, might help him lease one to get started with.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
How much more does a comparably equipped ILX cost vs Civic, esp now that I have read the 13 model will have improved finishes? It's not a cheap car, loading it up makes it compete with basic models of legitimate entry lux competitors. And I won't even get into parents who buy what is likely a teenager something that expensive.
There probably will be nice leases - unless something exciting about the car is shown, sales might not be hot. Lease one with little down and something like $249/month, maybe not bad.
Acura is up 27% this year, well ahead of the market.
ILX is overpriced, plus a Civic Si is nicer now so why even bother? They sold a couple thousand.
TSX is nice, especially the wagon. Can't get a manual + wagon combination, though, bummer.
TL's new, smaller beak was apparently enough to boost sales, and the crossovers are doing well.
MDX is their best seller despite its age. After seeing an X1 35i for $47k you can understand why people flock to this. It's certainly a better driver than an RX.
RDX is a hit, sales up 129%. I think people like that big V6 and all the content at this price point.
RL is OK, I guess the one distinguishing feature is the 16 LED lights, though they might look better in a gatlin-gun style arrangement a la Infiniti Q45.
Acura is up via soft roader-estrogen mobile sales, no doubt. Anything in the lineup to make an enthusiast look? Not much.
Can't get the TSX wagon in a 4cyl at all, can you? When it's a diesel, get back to me. That wagon is probably the most appealing vehicle in the lineup to me.
RL is painful. Old/current one is a nice car with lots of tech, but just so bland and kind of outclassed engine-wise for the market position - and it virtually doesn't sell, faring worse than even the old GS at the end of its run. New one is invisibly styled save for the different-for-the-sake-of-being-different light eyes. I bet that won't right the ship.
I think you can get a TSX wagon 4 banger. It would be a better package with a manual, but that's not what the public buys so I get why it's not offered.
Acura has a real identity crisis. Honda has always wanted to be perceived as green, but Toyota stole that away with the Prius (deservingly or not). Even Hyundai cheated to beat Honda's CAFE averages. They can't catch a break.
Any how, that green image keeps them from putting a V8 in their flagship, and that's what keeps Acura from being taken seriously as a luxury make. It's really just an upscale brand.
For even more damage, Honda has been limited to being "less than Acura", which is why we got a cheap Civic.
And so on.
NSX will help create a halo. The AWD RL had better be a home run. They can use electric AWD with torque vectoring to keep things interesting.
Hmm I was under the impression TSX wagon was V6 only, I see it isn't. The 4 actually has more appeal somehow, maybe out of fear of V6 transmission issues in older Honda models.
I think the RL will need to be more eye catching to make the segment take notice. The tech is nice, but if it doesn't look like a step up from a TL...hard sell. I wouldn't bank on that home run.
Like you say, Acura isn't seen as a make, because too often it isn't - too many models are fancy Hondas. I am not sure if the brand even exists outside of NA and China yet.
I have noticed Hondas have a bit more road noise, the last rental Accord was like that. The brand new one supposedly fixes that, dunno.
I think mostly it's because Honda/Acura are compared to Toyota/Lexus and the latter are the masters of NVH control.
gregg_vw, "Where Is Ford taking the Lincoln Motor Company?" #3857, 5 Dec 2012 8:11 am
Boy, the XTS looks loooo-ong. I like it, though.
What I noticed about the GS is how big the greenhouse is.
Nice to see windows making a comeback after a dark period of that "chopped" look.
You can actually see out of cars again now.
Biggest issue with that brand to my eyes is styling, and I don't like the V6 exhaust drone.
Let's keep in mind the M5 pipes in fake engine sounds, and this is common practice.
Even the Miata got it in 2009 (that and styling had me rushing to buy a 2008).
What have we come to when engine sound tracks are all lip-synched?
A 3rd bad choice - no sound (certain Lexus hybrids).
We need balance in this thread so every one please watch this Hennessey Venom GT video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=turV3v9RYeU
The drive-by at 0:23 might give you goose bumps.
I don't represent the public, either, especially since I consider my ND Miata "too refined".
But I still want an F-Type instead.
Then saw probably the first 500L I've seen in the flesh. Why didn't they just call it the 600?
They really shouldn't give cars away like that. Luxury should be exclusive.
So many pretenders in my zip code live paycheck to paycheck and go for those cheap leases, it's sad. No wonder there were so many foreclosures.