Edmunds dealer partner, Bayway Leasing, is now offering transparent lease deals via these forums. Click here to see the latest vehicles!
Options
Popular New Cars
Popular Used Sedans
Popular Used SUVs
Popular Used Pickup Trucks
Popular Used Hatchbacks
Popular Used Minivans
Popular Used Coupes
Popular Used Wagons
Comments
Sorry to ask a question that's probably been answered somewhere on this site, but I've spent an hour looking with no luck.
Does anyone know the invoice price for a MZ3 hatchback GT for a 2007 or a 2006?
I'm going to post on the Pricing forum as well, but it seems like it's only US prices there... and I'm in Calgary.
Thanks!
Did you subscribe? There are others that provide a similar service for a fee including APA (Automobile Protection Association).
Thanks for your feedback. Enjoy your cars.
"From: MCI - Customer Relations [mailto:MCIC/R@mazda.ca]
Sent: September 19, 2007 3:03 PM
Thank you for your taking the time to write to Mazda Canada Inc. We welcome correspondence from Mazda owners and are pleased to offer clarification when ever possible.
Pricing in the U.S. and Canada is different because we are significantly differing markets. The United States has a significantly greater ability for volume purchasing than other smaller markets such as Canada. It is no different than any other retail market. Please understand that Mazda Canada Inc. does not compete with its U.S. counterpart. As such, changes in the Canadian product pricing will likely be driven by the Canadian auto market as a whole rather than currency market fluctuations or other markets.
Should the strength of the Canadian currency prove to be long-lasting, we have no doubt that all Canadian manufacturers and distributors, including Mazda Canada Inc., will consider re-visiting their pricing.
Regards,
Mazda Canada Inc."
p.s. Regarding the lack of competition mentioned, dealerships are forbidden to do so with new vehicles.
I would not subscribe to either of those views. I think it would be fair to say that both the manufacturers and dealers are players in this environment. As players, they should be pushing up the food chain (i.e. to Mazda HQ) the message they are hearing from the floor: Mazda has to respond meaningfully to consumers questions about Canadian pricing with the major currency change. There are many creative messages that can be delivered if there is the recognition of the importance of retaining their client base.
The message is getting through.
In a recent issue of the Globe and Mail, Jeremy Cato quotes Don Romano, the head of Mazda Canada on Mazda Canada's response to the price issue.
Don Romano is in surprisingly, impressively good spirits for a president who has just authorized the biggest discounting in the history of Mazda Canada. This month, Mazda announced that it is offering zero-per-cent financing for five years on every model in Mazda Canada's lineup. ... Of all the issues and challenges he's faced in that time, nothing quite matches the pricing situation that is the talk of the auto industry and consumers in Canada. The rapid rise in the dollar has cornered auto makers. They have been forced to offer discounts unheard of before and which are unsustainable over the long haul, most executives and analysts argue. "Incentives are driven 100 per cent by consumers' reluctance to buy, based on what they see in U.S. pricing," he says.
The message is getting through.
In a recent issue of the Globe and Mail, Jeremy Cato quotes Don Romano, the head of Mazda Canada on Mazda Canada's response to the price issue.
Don Romano is in surprisingly, impressively good spirits for a president who has just authorized the biggest discounting in the history of Mazda Canada. This month, Mazda announced that it is offering zero-per-cent financing for five years on every model in Mazda Canada's lineup. ... Of all the issues and challenges he's faced in that time, nothing quite matches the pricing situation that is the talk of the auto industry and consumers in Canada. The rapid rise in the dollar has cornered auto makers. They have been forced to offer discounts unheard of before and which are unsustainable over the long haul, most executives and analysts argue. "Incentives are driven 100 per cent by consumers' reluctance to buy, based on what they see in U.S. pricing," he says.
Of all the mass market brands, I think BMW is one of the few, if not only, manufacturer that is still holding out. They are offering only negligible purchase incentives, at least what they have publicly announced. Perhaps there are bigger factory to dealers rebates that have not been made public --- that I don't know.
What this translates to is the dealers will not be budging much from the MSRP. Just like what Toyota is doing. Don't kid yourself and believe into their propoganda and start thinking they're giving you a deal. It's still a heckuva lot cheaper to buy in the US.
You are missing the drift: Mazda Canada is starting to move in the right direction. I agree with you that it is not enough. But after all, it took a while for the industry to get to this point. Gradually, we should start seeing more responsible pricing on this side of the border otherwise the Canadian dealerships are going to suffer.
I predict the next step will be price incentives in the spring. Additionally, I expect older models (like the Mazda6) will be heavily discounted. What will really change things is the closure of a dealership ... that will be the writing on the wall.
As consumers, the question we should be asking is: Why do you expect me to pay an unreasonable price for your vehicle?
Mazda announces mid-year enhancements to Mazda3
Richmond Hill, Ontario - Mazda has announced mid-year enhancements to its Mazda3 line-up, including a new entry-level Mazda3 Sport GX model for the 2008 model year.
Unique to Canada in the North American market, the new 2008.5 Mazda3 Sport GX uses the same 148-horsepower, 2.0-litre engine found in the current Mazda3 GX and GS sedans. The new trim line includes 15-inch steel wheels, body-coloured grille, GFX front and rear bumpers, fog lamps, anti-lock brakes, side and curtain airbags and CD stereo with four speakers. An available Comfort Package adds power locks and windows, power heated mirrors, keyless entry, illuminated entry, wheel-mounted audio controls, spoiler and 15-inch alloy wheels.
Air conditioning and an automatic transmission are also available as options.
The Mazda3 Sport GS now receives air conditioning, rear spoiler, cruise control and two additional speakers as standard equipment, while the Mazda3 Sport GT receives additional standard equipment, including Xenon headlamps; its Luxury Package now also adds a power driver's seat and Bose audio with Sirius satellite radio.
The Mazda3 sedan also receives additional equipment content, with the GX gaining two extra speakers and body-coloured mirrors, along with a Comfort Package similar to the Sport GX.
The GS sedan receives body-coloured grille and standard 16-inch alloy wheels, previously available as a GS Sport Package, and will have only a stand-alone sunroof as an option. Similar to the Sport GT, the Mazda3 sedan GT receives Xenon headlamps and additions to its Luxury Package.
Pricing for the models will be available at a later date.
It will be interesting to see how Mazda deals with the recent rise of the Canadian dollar in its pricing. Several manufacturers are introducing New Canadian pricing to address the issue. Unfortunately, this is not across the board and is sometimes applied only to higher end models. As a consumer we should insist on having a clear explanation why Canadian prices do not match US prices considering our dollars are at par and the models are virtually identical.
It will be interesting to see how Mazda deals with the recent rise of the Canadian dollar in its pricing. Several manufacturers are introducing New Canadian pricing to address the issue. Unfortunately, this is not across the board and is sometimes applied only to higher end models. As a consumer we should insist on having a clear explanation why Canadian prices do not match US prices considering our dollars are at par and the models are virtually identical.
They have had competitive rates for financing for a while. I bought my Protege5 in 2002 with a 1.9% for 36 month finance rate. In my case, the 1.9% worked out to an additional $500 in interest charges. But when I compare the price with interest in Canada to that of the same vehicle in the US (with higher interest rates) there is still a huge disadvantage for the average deal in Canada. Take as a simple example, the case of the Mazdaspeed 3 priced in Canada and in the US.
I was hoping MazdaCanada would demonstrate leadership and provide an incentive that showed they understood the price difference and adjusted in within several hundred dollars.
Hmm.....sounds to me like you work for Mazda or their marketing firm.
(If you're not familiar with this problem, just google 'mazda 3 door problem' and you'll get a whole pile of links.) If you haven't already done so, it's definitely in your interest to take your car in and get it checked out. I think the 2008s are OK.
I've had Mazdas in the past and have had letters delivered to me when there were recalls available for my older Mazdas, but not the 3. Instead, I heard about the problem with the Mazda 3's door locks on a talk back radio show of all things! On the plus side, now everyone knows about the problem. On the down side, now everyone knows about the problem!
It is just the kind of problem that Mazda should have handled via a simple little letter. We took it into the dealership we bought it from, they looked up our VIN and saw that our car was on the list for the recall.
Incidentally, my wife and I both love the car and it hasn't caused us any grief of the more conventional nature. But the door lock problem has definitely left a sour note on us and on our friends who own Mazda 3s and who were ALSO broken into. I don't imagine us buying another Mazda in the future. Ours is a 2007 and was still on the recall list. The problem was fixed sometime in the 2007 model year.
Finally, if you bring your car in, note there may be another recall for an oil pan problem.
Simply put, there's no excuse for Mazda not notifying its customers of such a serious problem.
:mad:
Scott
In fact I checked for other rust spots and I have found many... the paint peels off.
Hope this helps you!
TIP: If you suspect your car is starting to rust prematurely, have it noted on a work order the next time you bring the car into service.
I have heard through responses to my posts at http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=25439 from several other Canadians dealing with the same type of corrosion on their vehicles. In the vast majority of cases, their dealerships gave them the same response as I received, that Mazda Canada could not be held accountable (no "perforation" (i.e. hole through the body)) and therefore no compensation would be offered. To put this into perspective, I received estimates ranging from $1100 to fix just the rusted areas to $1800 to also address the blistering!
I am still awaiting the final word from my dealership as to Mazda Canada’s response to my complaint. Following that, I will be sending a registered letter to both Mazda Canada and to my dealership, along with all the pictures of my car (see here: http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a38...Mazda3%20rust/ Password is ZoomZoom).
I’d like to compile a list of other Mazda3 owners dealing with a similar situation in order to add weight to my argument that this is a recurring issue with these first generation models. If you would like to get involved in applying pressure to Mazda Canada to take responsibility for what is obviously a manufacturing defect, please sign up here. Or, if you would prefer, send me a PM.
If you have any before pictures of the corrosion/blistering, please email them to me! Once I get enough entries, I'll send these to get hardcopies made up, for submission to Mazda Canada.
Also note that I'd love to hear from ANY Mazda3 owners who have/had corrosion or blistering similar to what I outlined in my own case. If you had your case dealt with by your dealership under warranty, note that when you sign up. The whole idea is to send Mazda Canada an impressive (i.e. impossible to ignore) list of Mazda3s that have/had premature corrosion. I’ll get the ball rolling.
Name: Lynne M. Witty
City/province: Sudbury, Ontario
Year of car: 2004
Model: Mazda3 Sport GT
Color: Winning Blue
Current Mileage: 109 000 km
Corrosion damage: as outlined in this post
To give you a bit of background, I took ownership of the brand new car on June 30, 2004, hand wash weekly in summer months, go through a car wash at least once per week in winter months, and had it Krown rustproofed first in October 2004 and yearly since then. Therefore, from an ownership perspective, I have done everything humanly possible to maintain the paint on my car.
In 2006 I began to have rusting at the bottom of my rear passenger doors.
I did bring it to the attention of my local Mazda Service Manager (Mid City Mazda, Sudbury ON) and he stated that it was due to rock chips, not covered under the Mazda warranty.
Last year I began to notice very serious rusting around both rear wheel wells.
When I dropped the car off last year for other servicing, before my 3 year/80 000 km new car warranty expired, I again mentioned to the Service Manager that I had a considerable amount of rusting and would it be covered under warranty? He said that he would “look into it” but never got back to me. Being a new car owner and naïve about these things, I didn’t think to ensure that he recorded my complaint on the invoice nor did I pursue the matter.
Last month I happened to be visiting my sister in Southern Ontario. There one of her friends, who works at a luxury car dealership, looked at the rusting on my car and noted “your paint is blistering all over”. I was shocked and upon closer examination, did find extensive paint blistering.
The very next day, Tuesday May 14/2008, I brought my car to my dealership and had the Service Manager come out to look at all the rusting/blistering. His very first question was “what is the mileage?” (108 000 km at the time) He then proceeded to inform me that all the damage was due to rock chips, understandable with that high mileage.
If you look closely at the blistering, several areas show zero impact points. Also, I have rust between both rear bumper seams. Therefore, at least that corrosion on my car can NOT be blamed on rock chips and high mileage.
Note that I am NOT bashing the Mazda3 or Mazda Canada by pursuing this action. I do love my car in all other respects, with the very notable exception of the faulty paint/body panels. The core purpose of this thread and the list which I will send to Mazda Canada is to let them know that it is a very common issue and that their loyal customers deserve to be compensated for this manufacturing defect.
Thank you!
p.s. I did not go that route because my problem was fixed relatively cheaply ($200).
As for the models, my list of 16 owners (to date) is confined to 2004 and 2005 models, Sport GT and Sedan GS/GT. Geographical area is not a factor since people across the country report the same issue, on the same key areas on the cars (rear bumper seams, rear quarter panels, bottom trim of rear passenger doors).
I will not be taking any more submission past next Friday (June 20). If you're on the fence or for some other reason postponing sending me your entry, DO IT NOW. Even if you have had your corrosion repaired either under warranty or privately, you should add your name.
One of the goals of the list is to show Mazda Canada that ALOT of these first generation Mazda3s are rusting/bubbling in the same spots. Also, if you did have your repairs done under warranty, that supports another goal. With the same type of damage, some people get their work done without hassle under warranty, some are told "not eligible for coverage under warranty". That is very unfair and totally unreasonable as Mazda Canada makes the final decision in all of these cases. If you did have your work done under warranty, sending me a copy of your repair invoice will help to support this goal.
Lastly, if you do send me an entry, having visual proof is a BIG bonus. Take clear pictures that show your rust/bubbling and send them my way. I will add those to your entry to support your statements of corrosion damage.
Thanks and send in those entries! One week left...
On the other hand, there has also been a change in Mazda financing. The 2009 "standard" financing rate for a 2009 vehicle is now in the 5% range; compare this to the 2008 rates of 0%, .9% or 1.9% for 48 months for many Mazda vehicles. Those who are not ready to hand over a large cash deposit as part of their purchase are therefore going to pay more to finance their choice. This appears to me to reflect more closely the finance rates in the US.
Will the lower prices but higher finance rates bring in more customers? Or, will those customers continue to play the waiting game in the hope that the finance rates moderate? And what will the competition do?
For more information, go to the Mazda Canada site and check out the "promotions" page for the Make Your Move event and the shopping tools page for the Driving Dividend page. http://www.mazda.ca/event/drivingdividend/09/eng/index.asp
Kudos? I guess some of us will award kudos for common sense or doing what's morally or ethically proper. I can see it now, kudos are given for basic things, like doctors being able to see you.
Chris
The chat opens at 8:45 pm ET and runs until 10 pm ET. I hope you're able to join us tonight to meet and greet with your fellow CarSpace members!
See you there!
"Carmakers yesterday reported their worst April Canadian sales in 10 years as the the industry's pain continued. Automakers sold 143,931 vehicles nationwide in April, a 17.8 per cent decline over the same month last year, according to data from DesRosiers Automotive Consultants. The industry is tracking for sales of 1.35 million vehicles by year-end, a major drop from the 1.65-million range sold over the past few years. ... Spring marks the beginning of what is normally the busiest time of the year for sales of new cars and trucks ... Several automakers outperformed the market, including Ford, Mazda and Hyundai."