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Barlitz, I keep up to tundrasolutions and most of the problems you stated aren't much of a problem. The only known problems that I know about is some vibrations and paint problems, both of which I haven't heard much about lately. Supposedly they're correcting the problem?
81Chevy, you do know that the Tundra is made in Indiana, right? And they were also designing the Tundra based on the F-150 because as we all know the F-150 is America's best selling truck, so they figured there has got to be a reason for all of these people that buy F-150's.
You may see them driving trucks because a lot of Union members are hard working Americans who have lower paying job but work 800% harder than you do, and they put a lot more miles on their car and trucks.
As far as Union people not living better, Pilots are one of the strongest Unions and they make in the upper 100,000$ year range. The people that make this country run are union.
oh and by the way, my 81' Chevy C10 has over 326,000 miles on it with no rust and it is still in good shape, and yes I have a Buy Union Buy American sticker on it.
enough about that before I blow up,
Indiana Built means jack, first in Indiana those aren't Union workers.
secondly the Tundra has a smaller % of US-Canadian component, and their transmissions (and I'm not shure about engines but probably) are made in Japan.
Chevy Silverado 91% US-Canadian Component, Engine and Tranny built in the US!
Oh and buy the way, a survey found:
Number one on their list was Ford. The Fords most purchased by the rich were pick-up trucks and the Ford Explorer sport utility vehicle. Cadillac and Lincoln came is second and third.
Also, while I really don't want to engage in a political discussion here, I do want to make sure you are not confusing American made with North American made. The Domestics have gotten away with counting Mexico and Canada as "American made" for too many years so let's not perpetuate that farce.
BTW when my Grandfather purchased his truck he bought a new Chevy K1500.
some models are also made in Canada but that is because the stupid canucks made a law where American car companies have to build as many as they sell in that country.
as far as mexican made only a few small cars are made in Mexico, and Dodge produces about everything there.
By the way, upon graduating college, with which union will you associate yourself?
The FTC requires those domestic content labels on the window, so consumers are not confused by the twisted logic Cliffy if expressing.
To be domestic, you have to have at least 50% US content on the label. Last time I looked, the Silverado sticker read 85% US, 15% others. Last time I looked on the Tundra, it was 50% Japan, 50% others. Tundra = import. No big deal. Don't try and sell it as something it is not.
Just trying to clarify, not bash in the Toyota topic.
Quad
You know what, forget about it. If you base your decisions on where a vehicle is built instead of how it is built and how it meets your needs, we have nothing to talk about. This whole domestic versus import argument never made any sense to me.
Not falling for anything from Detroit. The FTC is in Washington D.C.
The label says U.S. content, not North American content.
Bigboy,
I don't know if you are labeling me as a hypocrite or not. And I don't care. What I am saying, is that the information about what constitutes a U.S. made product is out there so consumers can understand. I believe you may be one of the ones who don't. If after getting the information, you still want to buy and imported product, I say that's great! And it appears Cliffy's Toyota dealership is perfectly willing to tell you whatever it is you want to hear, so you'll buy one. Your lack of understanding about it is not my problem.
And I am not saying that you are a hypocrit. You seem to be pretty level headed guy from what I gather from your posts. What I was telling Cliff was that there are certain ones on this forum that try to criticize people for buying vehicles that do not have a domestic label on them. The only ones that could be critical of import buyers would be those that will not or do not buy anything but domestically made items. I know this would be hard to accomplish. I work with people that say everyone should buy domestic vehicles, but yet they go home and use their John Deere Mowers that have Kawasaki engines on them, their Tanaka weed eaters, pressure washers with honda engines on them, and drive GM products made in Mexico. It is a fact that GM employs over 25,000 people at less than $3.00 an hour. Now, if the union workers want to be upset with someone, they need to be mad at the domestic auto makers that are giving american jobs to mexicans in other countries. This year Motor Trend will no longer give an award for import car or truck of the year, because they cannot differentiate between what is import and what is domestic anymore. I hope I did not offend you but, they are others on this and other forums that are not consistent in their facts. A lot of them drive one vehicle or another only because daddy or grandaddy always drove that particular brand and that makes them the best. Sorry this post so long. Just wanted to make myself clear.
As far as what I will tell people to sell them a truck, give me a try and see. You may not like all the answers I give but they are truthful to the best of my abilities. Now, if you are not interested in Toyota trucks, what are you doing posting on this topic?
That was well said.
Cliffy,
You work in one of my favorite cities. But you clearly have an ax to grind against what the FTC requires in the way of labeling. When the label on the Tundra reads 51% US/Can, 49% others, I think you'll feel much better about telling people where trucks are made.
Tundra, less made here, less % of the truck with American parts.
Now, the majority of Chevy and Fords are made in this country, Chevy makes some in Canada (no model is exlusively made in Canada so it is easy to check on the window sticker and buy the one made in America) now, the reason Chevy makes trucks in Canada is because our jerk neighbors to the north decided to make a law where you have to make as many vehicles as you sell in the country.
As far as labels, Car Manfufactures are required to post U.S/Candaian component, and when I went a drove a Silverado it had 91%, this label also tells you origin of Engine and Transmission: both United States on the Silverado.
Now, as far as my clothes are concerned, I only buy American, my shirts my underwear my pants, my sock, are all made in America, and it isn't hard to find them trust me. Yes there are some things I own that were built in other countries, but that is because I couldn't find it.
And as far as El Camino's a majority of them were made in the same plant my truck was, Fremont California.
taulkin' an' all. you both be the most ignorant
postin' hillbillies this board has ever seen.
grow up and get a John Deere. nuttin' u' all say
means diddly to anyone here. oh yeah, if hitches
and limited ones are all you've got against the
tundra, then you really have'nt a clue. the
tundra will pull the acorns outta' your massey
furg. anyday. you're not foolin' anyone by the
way, anyone that can turn on a computer and go
online can't possibly be as stupid as you act.
you're just some bored bozo that has'nt anything
better to do but annoy people. personally i find
you hillarious especially when you forget to
misspell the same words twice.
.. And for all the anti-Tundra folks, I have to admit that I own a restored 1968 Chevelle SS396 convertible -- factory matching numbers, no modern add-ons, and will soon be perfect to the point where even the factory hose clamps will be in the correct 'o-clock' positions.
I could trade it for a loaded new Silverado at any tim, but that would be an atrociously ignorant thing to do.
Besides, my Tundra hawls it just fine.
DH Towing Receiver Hitch (All Except Limited)
Even cliffy who be sellin em be statin you cant get no factory hitch on them limited ones. Claimin it be the EPA or somethin, but the truth be gettin out on it. This be fact on that. Best argue with Edmunds or cliffy on this one. So much for that haul in them limited ones now. Good new be that them yuppies dont do the haul with em, they just be chasin the fad now. Good luck on this one now!
I'm think about buying a Tundra. As far as I can tell, a limited slip differential is not available on the 4X4. The dealer told me that Toyota uses some other system that makes a limited slip differential unnecessary. Is that true?