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Base price $15,410
Fog light kit $ 350
Spoiler $ 385
Tail light $ 275
Pumper/protect $ 58
Auto Trans.
Black Color
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$ 16,478.00
Tax/Lic/fees + $ 1,598.72
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Out the door
PRICE : $18,076.72
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Is this out the door price in Southern California for a Scion XB (Black) with auto transmission is a decent quote or is it way too high? Do any one know any decent dealership in Southern California around Pasadena. that will have competitive prices for the little Scion I am looking for? Any suggestion or opinion will be greatly appreciated.
Thus far, no official designs for the new xB have been released. As far as the quote you received, it seems fair but only if you want those extra features. If you hunt around, you might find a base model without them for around $15G. Good luck.
at a dealer ship. With the options that I want:
Rear Spoiler
Tail Lights
Fog Light Kit
Floor carpet
The out the door price with tax/license/fee : $18,143.84 was quoted. They were very frank and admit they have to make about $883.00 on this deal. You think this is still a fair deal? Any comments will be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
I would recommend you keep calling local dealers. Try contacting the internet sales manager for each one as they may offer you lower prices than the floor salesmen. Link via the Scion website--your messages should route directly
to the dealers' internet staff. Good luck.
I called their bluff and asked "well what would I have to do to return it" and after a talk with the manager the stereo was mine at no extra cost. That in my opinion--was a bit ridiculous--their mistake not mine.
-TRD supercharger (boost to 200 hp)
-TRD 19' alloy wheels
-spoiler
-navigation system
I am located in chicago.
Am I expecting to pay build price (scion website) ?
Any suggestions ?
1. Cargo Cover
2. Tinted Windows (Deep or Light?)
3. Fog Lights
Can any of the owners comment? If they are optional, how much extra do you pay for them?
Thanks
As she works out of town I end up taking it in for service, but we happened to be nearby the dealer yesterday. So I pulled in to show her the new xB. She liked it! She was OK to give up room and the third seat! She even wanted to get it with a manual transmission! This would save another $5000 over the RAV4. :shades:
The only down side is that I was thinking of getting it for myself (before we replace the Sienna) and don't want two of the same car. :confuse:
I know that "pure pricing" means you pay the MSRP on the sticker. However, when you add the accessories, do you have to pay the MSRP on those, or are they negotiable?
I've checked all the Scion dealers around where I live, and they all charge the exact same for the accessories (their prices are listed on their dealer websites and in the showrooms). So if they all charge the exact same, what's the benefit of one dealer over another? Or can you negotiate price on the accessories?
Also, all the dealers around where I live charge a $675 dealer fee and $50 doc fee on top of the "pure price." This seems pretty high, but they all charge both of those. Does anybody know if these are negotiable; can you get one dealer to lower them over another?
And one last question: most dealers around here only have a few 2008 XBs in stock on their lot, but they list upwards of 50 available on their website. Do you have to pay any fee (besides the one built into the MSRP) to get one that they list as available? You don't have to pay any type of relocation fee, do you?
Any and all advice would be great. How did any of you owners/buyers out there handle these things? Thanks!
Good Luck
--jjf
In regards to picking one dealer over another, I have a few questions on buying a new 2008 Scion XB that maybe some owners/buyers could answer?
I know that "pure pricing" means you pay the MSRP on the sticker. However, when you add the accessories, do you have to pay the MSRP on those, or are they negotiable?
I've checked all the Scion dealers around where I live, and they all charge the exact same for the accessories (their prices are listed on their dealer websites and in the showrooms). So if they all charge the exact same, what's the benefit of one dealer over another? Or can you negotiate price on the accessories?
Also, all the dealers around where I live charge a $675 dealer fee and $50 doc fee on top of the "pure price." This seems pretty high, but they all charge both of those. Does anybody know if these are negotiable; can you get one dealer to lower them over another?
And one last question: most dealers around here only have a few 2008 XBs in stock on their lot, but they list upwards of 50 available on their website. Do you have to pay any fee (besides the one built into the MSRP) to get one that they list as available? You don't have to pay any type of relocation fee, do you?
Any and all advice would be great. How did any of you owners/buyers out there handle these things? Thanks!
Good luck
--jjf
Are you saying the "pure price" is negotiable? I thought that it wasn't, but I thought that maybe the dealer fees and prices for accessories might be?
With pure pricing the Scion Xb is providing Toyota with approximately a $900.00 profit which seems high to me for a inexpensive car.
To make matters worse here in Florida the dealers charge an addtional markup fee of $699.00.
So Scion is making an average profit here in Florida of $1600.00 on a economy car not including any accessories sold.
Volkswagon for example has a very thin profit on the Rabbit.
Does anyone else feel that this pure pricing is too expensive???
Yes the Xb seems expensive with the price boost compared to what others can be obtained for. Their marketing must be working and inventory control and manufacturing such that they can hold close to this price. Only the method suggested in my previous post will tell.
Good Luck
--jjf
Hello everyone and I hope that you are having a great day.
With pure pricing the Scion Xb is providing Toyota with approximately a $900.00 profit which seems high to me for a inexpensive car.
To make matters worse here in Florida the dealers charge an addtional markup fee of $699.00.
So Scion is making an average profit here in Florida of $1600.00 on a economy car not including any accessories sold.
Volkswagon for example has a very thin profit on the Rabbit.
Does anyone else feel that this pure pricing is too expensive???
Where do you pay only $600 sales tax on a $17,180 car?
and does it have vehicle stabililty contol and traction control?
Are you sure all the dealers got together and set the same fee? Pretty smart collusion.
When I bought my '06, the three dealers here had fees of $400, $500 and $900. I only found out about the big fees when I was at the $900 dealer and it showed up on the purchase order I was supposed to sign. It was not negotiable, and when I refused, that dealer invited me to check other dealers. So I did and bought from a dealer with a lower fee.
We wanted the dark blue color with automatic and no other options, and the dealer did not have one on the lot. They ended up doing a dealer trade, and ironically our XB came out of North Carolina. The drive-out price of $18573.17 came about this way:
$16,600 list + $715 Del'y - $399 discount + $399 Admin fee + $22.54(?)+ $1213.63 tax + $22 title fee = $18,573.17.
As I mentioned, the dealers did a trade to get the vehicle that we wanted to Ga. When I went through the glove box, I found the trade information that the driver had failed to turn in to the dealer. It showed that the Ga. dealer paid the NC dealer $16,569.41 for our XB. The NC dealer paid the Ga. dealer $25,830.41 for the trade vehicle, but I can't tell from the paperwork exactly what that vehicle was. It was an '07 Model 8216, whatever that is.
The dealer also threw in floor mats at no charge. I am not sure if this was intentional, or they failed to put them on the invoice.
We love the XB so far. I would definitely recommend it. I hope that the above info will help others that are considering taking the plunge.
Price was 16825 + $92 dealer fee. I have to pay the TTL this weekend at the DMV. I hope this helps.
If you like it have the cheap kit professionally installed for $150 or do it yourself. Some more expensive kits have units that quick switch from car to boom boxes etc and good monthly use intro offers. Anything is better than the rape jobs for these single use auto manufacturer kits.
good luck
--jjf
Is the "no haggle" pricing for XM supposed to be $449 plus installation charge, or $449 including installation charge?
I have an 06 xB and it is a lot of car for what *I* paid for it and the new design has many improvements, but I don't care as much for the styling and the $17,220 price is pretty high. A Civic LX sedan with auto has an INVOICE price of $16,984 so you should be able to buy one for as cheap or cheaper than the new xB. A Honda Fit Sport with auto has an MSRP for $16,705. So paying $17,220 for a new xB just does not make much sense to me.
Dennis
If the dealers are somehow prevented from selling too much below list, they may highball your trade, or throw in $2000+ or more of their (inflated) dealer priced add-ons. You want at least a true 3000 worth of stuff, dealer discount and extra trade allowance on the Tc, as the economy is flat and there are too many good deals out there.
Good luck
--jjf
Thanks for your reply and information. I like the civic also. It speeds up smoother than the XB and the look of XB is a little odd. However the 08' XB has a bigger engine(2.4L) than the civic and it has much more pace in the car. That why I choose the XB. Do you know what is the resell value of the XB? Can it be sold easily be cause it is not so popular in US.
Dennis
I will have to order it but nice car and plenty of room to haul hunting stuff. Clincher was MPG and lower price. I'll post a picture when I get delivery.
As long as things go smoothly at dealer I'll be happy. I'll give you an update. Looking to get the deal done this Saturday. :shades:
Good luck
--jjf
It's a great ride and I've been more than happy with the mpg. If you don't drive much over 70mph and avoid jackrabbit starts it really returns great mpg. I get 33mpg on my normal commute to work which takes me 40 mins (22 miles one way); roughly 30%city/70%hwy. Oddly enough I got 32mpg on a cross country hwy trip, but traveling 70-75mph most of the way cuts into the gas. The xB's sweet spot is right around 50mph, so if you drive alot of rural back roads you should get great mpg.
The only things I plan to do in the near future is to:
1) Install the TRD short shift kit. I've heard nothing but great reviews by other users regarding improving the smoothness and reducing the throw by a good 30% - 40%. My take on the stock shifter is that it's adequate, but gets notchy when rushed.
2) Begin using synthetic oil when I get to 15000 miles on the odo.
Just need your opinion about how much I should pay for 2009 Scion XB 5-speed. By the way, I am located in San Gabriel Valley. I am planning to go to Longo Toyota. I don't know if you all are familiar with the dealer. Anyway, they gave me a quote of $18181.73. That price including the process & handling fee of $620. I added a quick shifter costing $266.50. The car comes with the carpet as well. I really need your opinion so badly. How much do you think I can push down the price? And I am planning to trade-in my car as well. The thing is I lost my title for my current car. I have to wait 10 business day for it. Is there any way that I can sell the car without the title? or can dealer check to DMV regarding the ownership of the car? Thank you so much for all your input.
rate the xd as better.
On my 06 xB I find that neither is ever needed or used, but on my RWD cars with more power then both can be lifesavers. My daughter's Civic is a much nicer car than the xB, but mine was a LOT cheaper. The trouble with the new xB is the price just takes it too close to the territory where other cars are better (to me) options.
Dennis
Scion xB
Current Month
- 2008: 5,351
- 2007: 3,658
- Chg: 40.9%
Calendar YTD
- 2008: 21,241
- 2007: 13,331
- Chg: 56.9%
But not much point in posting "prices paid" for a car that has a fixed selling price - and only $800 or so of markup from invoice to MSRP. Most dealers will not even budge on accessory prices, but I suppose if you are buying enough stuff you might be able to get a lower price.
Dennis
Compared to another local Toyota dealership offer, I got free stereo upgrade and mats and a few dollars off.
The "dealing" was basically in trade in value. While the dealer valued my trade as the same as other dealers, paperwork reflected inflated trade value.
A BIG trade difference.......Last year, I actually had my Ford Explorer trade valued at $500 dollars equity over balance owed...signed papers on new Xb with a trade equity of $2,436 over balance owed. Glad to unload the F-bomb, with it's check engine light on, a bad power window, no cruise control..etc etc etc........
I'm loving the Xb....and I think I got a great deal considering the trade.
It's about 2K below sticker price. I know it's 08, but i'm planning of driving it for a long time so it doesn't matter.
I've found it frustrating to negotiate the sale of an xB, because frankly there is no negotiation. I thought that in this economy with even Toyota's sales down 30-40% and having a losing sales quarter (the first since 1938) that the "pure pricing" model would go out the window in favor of moving some cars. No deal.
I emailed about 8 dealerships and each told me the same thing. They do not negotiate on price. Some dealers were offering to throw in extras, like free tires for life or a free lifetime warranty after the factory one expires. (These dealers were the furthest from me, so I did not take these offers too seriously - I'd read the fine print first.)
The big sticking point has been the "documentation" charges each dealer has. In the offers I've gotten they vary from $300-600. I understand these fees are mostly pure profit so naturally I am trying to negotiate these away. Most dealers refuse. You would think that selling a car for sticker price in this economy would be enough of a profit, but I guess the dealers around here (Massachusetts) aren't hurthing that bad yet. If I can't get a dealer to eliminate or sharply reduce this fee I'll probably wait a month or so to see how the car market is. I don't mind giving the dealers a profit, but MSRP is enough (even at sticker tough the xB is a good deal).
The best offer I've gotten so far was:
MSRP: $16420
state tax: $821 (5%)
doc.: $299
title: $50
plate: $36
inspection sticker: $29
The only room the dealer has to play is with the documentation fee. Anyone had any luck in getting this reduced or waived?
About six other dealers had much higher doc. fees (up to $600) and all of them refused to lower or eliminate the fee. I think I'm going to check out the Matix. It's a compatible vehicle, but you have to pay extra for cruise, stability control and some other convenience features. The Matix gets better gas mileage though.
Where I disagree is that there is a variance in the price people are paying for Scions from dealer to dealer. The difference is in the documentation fee that dealers tack on to "process paperwork." In Massachusetts and Connecticut I surveyed eight dealers about the xB. The MSRP's were all the same, true. But there was a wide variance to the doc. fees: from $299 to $600. One dealer told me that the profit on Scions was "miniscule" at MSRP. The thinking seems to be that these dealers need the documentation fees to make more profit. In New York (a neighboring state) the doc. fees are capped at $45, so where is the fairness?
In my negotiation with dealers, all told me they couldn't sell an xB lower than MSRP or risk losing their franchise. While that may be true, I wish Scion would be just as vigorous in enforcing that dealers do not sell their Scions for over MSRP.