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What cradle? We have no cradle. The factory PTI system, still missing-in-action, has both the optional cradle (for docking, charging & antenna) and Bluetooth support. Visit your local dealer and look at a '05 Range Rover to get a feel for it (but please note the UI is totally different on the Range).
Or are you asking about an aftermarket phone kit?
This forum is very active and if it were organised into "Subject" threads it would be far user friendly.
I appreciate Edmunds use the forums for many other purposes but this forum could be improved to work to everyones advantage.
Anyone else with suggestions please post & hopefully something may happen.
I cant mention the other LR websites but there are several and all organise the threads by topic!
Thanks
Something is happening - expect to see threaded discussions here in the not too distant future! :-)
tidester, host
This sounds like a very good theory. It might be worthwhile keeping an eye on the tachometer in similar downhill situations to monitor how the transmission and engine behave.
Steve, Host
Can a OBDII unit reset this code?
thanks for input; could you explain how lemon law works? my dealership is on their second try to fix faulty air bag sensor; i've documented problem and have saved service receipts. I've had LR3 for 7 weeks and have had a loaner for 8 day. Hopefully i'll get my car back next week with problem fixed. If I run into same problem for a third time does this qualify as a lemon or do i need to give service a third round of fumbling around.
Who do you contact to get process started, L.R. or an attorney?? This is ridiculous for a new $50k plus suv. If it it considered a lemon does the dealer replace vehicle or pay off the bank loan and take back the car????
thanks,
They asked me when they called to tell me they were "ordering" if I was ok with the "adaptive lights" - I think they may have one located and are not really "ordering" it, just tring to sell what's already on the ground here in the USA. I hate to tell them, but I'll not buy a $55-60K vehicle unless it's exactly what I want, and it better not have more than 10 miles on it.
Good luck to you "LR3_magic" - and everyone else. I'll keep posting about my experiences...
Land Rover Canada called (these things get around the world quickly) and are sending me new manauls. The North American manuals that were shipped with the car end in "501"; the current manuals end in "502". (These .502 manuals are the ones you can download from the LR tech web site - but you cannot download all at once, you have to download lots of individual chapters).
So - there are new manuals, they just didn't bother shipping these to customers. They probably figure (not without justification) that no-one reads them anyway.
Mike
Ours is in the shop for the 3rd time (in less than a month of ownership). They replaced the fuel tank the first time (still stalled) and some sensors and the catalytic converter the second (still stalled). They haven't said what they'll try next.
For others with this problem, have any of you stalled in the same spot?
Appendix J, TABLE 2 - Vehicles currently not OBD II testable
Problem:
Uses CAN, currently incompatible with BAR97
Solution:
OBD II functional is automatically bypassed via analyzer vehicle look up process
PLEASE NOTE: I do not have a real failure. I induced a failure by trying to start the ignition without a fuse in the box to see what would happen. Unfortunately, the entire car disabled itself; when trying to start, it lowered, turned on the flashers, would not start, suspension failure, engine failure, transmission failure. Keep in mind that pulling a fuse is the same as having one go bad. The entire truck was inoperable, not a good thing if you happen to be using it for off road, and have a fuse go bad. I have replaced the fuse and the truck started again but the engine failure code is hanging around.
I don't know - have not read new manuals (waiting until I receive the hard copy). Certainly the old manual suggests the fuel cap is lockable (it isn't) and that there is a service interval indicator (there isn't).
Mike
Anyway, in the manual it does document the "Perimetric alarm" which "protects doors, hood & tailgate" only. This is what our US LR3 has.
It does make reference to optional "Interior space protection" with an asterisk (*) next to it. The asterisk means the feature is either "optional" or "not available." It also mentions an optional "Tilt sensor", again with an asterisk. The brochure or specification sheets I received don't mention these features, as it looks like they are not available.
It still mentions the Service Interval indicator, which Customer Service says is optional. And it still implies fuel door can lock, but Customer Service confirms this was deleted from North America. Yes, they have a documentation problem. I was never told it would lock, but I just assumed it would since the Disco 2 has a "remote release."
In my Audi, there is no remote release for the filler door, but if the car is locked, the filler door is locked, if unlocked, it is unlocked. This is clearly favorable to a remote release as I always forget to flip the switch in my GTI and then have to go back to the driver's door to do it. Audi's system is much better. (IMO, of course)
Otherwise, IMO also, locking fuel caps, etc are more of a PITA then they are worth...maybe I don't have much fear of gas contamination or theft or I'm just ignorant and foolish.
Alarms and such don't mean a whole lot either...any thief who's any good is gonna have that sucker stolen in seconds anyway...alarm or not. I'd rather them just steal it than have it trashed trying to steal it. (and I'm in Arizona, one of the car theft capitals of the country!!!)
Waiting to see what happens on that!
I have approaching 8,000 miles on my HSE and have had a few (perhaps 3 times) error codes all mainly very early morning at very cold OAT (Outside Air Temperatures) such as -5 thru -16 Deg F.
I warmed the car up and then tried a reset which it did every time.
I don't have good news regarding my suspension failure. Dealer called me last night saying it was fixed but they wanted to test it this morning to make sure (good for them). Diagnosis after 4.5 hours of work was "Suspension is inactive. Towed in for this issue. Many faults stored. Tried to clear but body and suspension faults kept returning. Air suspension down on right side. No leaks noticed. Found vehicle in transport mode. Once taken out of transport mode, vehicle would go back into transport by itself. Talked with techline. Was instructed to get vehicle out of transport mode - took 3 times. Download was very slow. Then recalibrated EAS. All faults cleared. Road tested and worked EAS on all modes. Checks OK at this time."
So I picked it up today and they gave me a bouquet of flowers (odd, but a nice touch) and on the 20 minute drive back to work I noticed the following:
1) Navigation quit working - now only get big Land Rover insignia on screen
2) Vehicle now pulls to the right - must be related to their comment "air suspension down on right side"
3) This is the kicker - I got another suspension failure on the way back from getting this exact issue fixed!
The good news is that I will now have 2 attempts at fixing this truck under my belt and will be one failed attempt away from the lemon law! I see a BMW X5 in my future. It might not be as cool a truck, but will allow me to drive away from the LR dealer more quickly and reliably.
To the other suspension failure people - were you driving at high speeds (i.e., highway speeds) when it happened?
Scott
I now have the truck back - they cleaned connectors etc etc but found nothing wrong. This afternoon when I was getting in the car, it once again went into "Extended Mode" for no reason. I went back to the dealer but this time no error memories.
I do not have warm and fuzzy feelings yet that this is all sorted out. We have no lemon law here but I am doing my own lemon count: if it goes funny again I'll be insisting on some better action than "we've cleaned things just in case and it's working for us now"...
The old Discovery had a "remote release" -- the current LR3 has nothing. You just push the door, it opens up.
Ron
Thanks for the follow-up. Hopefully LR "techline" will put on their thinking caps for round two. As you said, you will be close to the lemon limit on this. If they have to buy back the vehicle, I think it will send a stronger message than anything else, and you won't be out a chunk of cash.
Which fuse did you remove, and why did you try it?
Again, it may be just a coincidence, but I believe the inertia switch does all 3 of those things in a collision. Possible that it is a loose, bad connection, or something similar involving that switch or the chip(s) downstream of it. If LR hasn't come up with an answer yet, maybe a look at this is warranted.
The dealers I've spoken to supposedly haven't had any reports, either... well, that they will tell me. I don't think they have a reason to hide anything from me; I've always had a good relationship with them. I'm also in California (Northern, around S.F.) -- so who knows... maybe having mild weather constantly makes a difference.
"With age and especially in climates with extreme temperature changes, the inertia switch can fail all by itself. The spring lock mechanism that holds the button down can rust or become stretched, and the button will pop up at will. I have found that this usually happens on a very cold winter night."
So maybe the cold climate WOULD have an effect on sensitivity of this switch, especially when the car is at an angle, or stopping (or both).
Scott
the LR3 is a great car...SUV of the year for Motor Trend
but like many vehicles...the first few years will have some teething problems and will need some ironing out by the makers...
to make you guys feel better,,.the Porsche cayenne also has some quality issues , including stalling, nav, cardan shaft, alignment and tire premature wear, remote, radio, etc....
so hang in there....look at the bright side....
I'm glad to hear they seem to be taking this seriously. I wouldn't be surprised if they want to have your car for at least a few days to test it more thoroughly this time. At least you have an LR3 loaner.
These problems are almost inevitable........it's the way that they're taken care of that will put the stamp on this model's future. I'm waiting until the '06 becomes available before making a final decision.