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Sounds like the diesel is probably best for you, but the dealer quoting you was exaggerating a little. Granted, he wants to sell you the most expensive options. Today's gas engines go well beyond 200,000. And diesels don't necessarily go up to 400,000. I've never seen one go that far, but I have seen an old Ford w/ 6.9 with somewhere close to 400K on it. But i've also seen Ford 302's and GM 350's go over 300K miles without a prob. And i've seen a Ford 7.3 diesel die at 250K miles.
My point...engine longevity shouldn't be an issue, especially if you are only going to put 150K on the truck in 10 years!
Also, are there any "peculiarities" about the truck I'm buying (2001 F250 4x4 CC SB SRW Lariat Diesel) I should know about such as the passenger non-convex mirror Ford chose which limits visibility?
All I have to say is...Ford has outdone itself. This is my first Ford product, but it will NOT be my last.
V8 gas will get 15.
v10 gas will get 12 or 13.
Diesel has a lot of maintenance. Gas has practically no maintenance.
I don't own one, so don't know about the 'peculiarities' of the Ford SD.
Depends on how you take care of it.
A gas will lose some of its pep in older ages that you can't get back. Sometimes you can with a diesel, but it always cost a little.
Did you factor in your oil changes? The diesel holds over double the oil. The filters?? Diesel filters are waaaaay more expensive plus you have a water separator . I've read here that diesels HAVE to have their coolant changed more frequently or damage may result.
Are you paying cash? That $4600 would double in 10 years at 7.2%!! Or you may be paying $90 more a month on a 60 month note.
My only suggestion is drive 'em both. You may fall in love with the diesel as many on this board have. Or you may hate the sluggish, slow revving, smelly, noisy characteristics compared to the V10.
The only time I would choose a diesel is if I were towing close to max the majority of the time and at a high altitude and putting a lot of miles on (30,000+ a year)
You should buy the one you like because the money factor can be twisted either way depending on what someone favors.
Good luck.
1) Will a 15inch wheel work on a 2001 F-250 4x4 CC SB or must it be at least a 16inch?
2) Can I put a 35x12.50 on this truck without having to do any modifications?(lift/cutting of bumper)
I had a '92 with the E4OD automatic transmission. It was rebuilt by the dealer under ESP at about 99,700 miles. (I had run through about a mile of 2 foot deep water about 3 months earlier. The truck was in for service and the dealer found metal flakes in the transmission pan.
cdean,
I don't see much difference between the maintenance requirements of gasoline vs. diesel. Both require oil changes, oil filters, air filters and fuel filters. The filters for the diesel are slightly more expensive and the oil quantity is about double. The diesel does require anti-cavitation fluid in the radiator. (About $6 every 15K miles.)
Rich
Fuel filters are a little more often done on the diesels, and more difficult, i think...haven't seen any of the new ones.
I realize the duties are close to the same, but the gas is cheaper to maintain, (less of everything). No fuel additives needed anywhere with the gas.
You are probably like me, a bit of a gearhead, and don't mind doing this stuff, so its all moot!
It pulls like a dream, I know without a doubt I can pull the 10,000 lb hitch rating w/out a problem. Two weeks ago I got my Mom 00 F250 V10 4.30 gears. She is going to be full timing with a 34' loaded w/gear it's at or slightly above 10,000 lbs. It only gets 8.5 mpg @ 70 mph, because of the gears.
Both of these are just what we need. Neither one of us can stand the noise of the deisel, nor the smell. Quick thought here, make sure of your loaded weight and your actual miles towing each year. My V10 & 3.73 combo give me 16 mpg empty on the highway & 13 in the city (Atlanta).
P.S. Both truck are supercabs and 4x4.
Also,Ford is expected to start deliveries of the 2001 trucks by late Nov or early Dec.That is the memo we got from them,anyway.
excess of 300,000 miles with minor problems(glo
plugs and fuel injection pumps),"
I have seen on this board that the injectors are like $400 a piece for the PS. A set of 8 would be $3200, about the price of a COMPLETE new gas motor. Factor in the noise you mentioned and the smell and the higher cost for maintenance, the higher initial cost and the sluggish off the line performance, unless you have an extreme work environment the diesel doesn't make sense. IMHO
Buck, I've driven them ALL back to back to back and the diesels feel like you're stepping on a marshmellow before they spool up.
IMHO unless you're towing near the limit the majority of the time, at altitude and put on a ton of miles, the diesel is just a symbol of a wannabe trucker.(me gets flame retardant suite ready!!!)
And to add my opinion regarding the sluggishness.
Load your truck down to it's limit and put a trailor on it,with the gas engine and try and take off from a stand still.Now load the same truck with a diesel engine the same way,then tell me they are sluggish.
I have been working on Ford diesels since Ford introduce them into the F series trucks,along with Cummins,Detroits and CATs and while I don't own a diesel pickup,for a work(for business) truck,I would never buy gas.
you said that the injectors are $400 each??
I'm paying $195 each and I know they are for sale for $225.Who is paying $400 a piece for them? I could make some good money selling them for $400 each.
I know I can get a set of 19# gas injectors off the net for $99 when Ford wants over $100 a piece. So your prices certainly don't surprise me.
Have seen many questions about diesel over gas, etc. Mine is diesel, and after having the truck for 2 weeks now, I no longer hear the diesel. My in town fuel mileage in first tank of fuel was about 19 mpg. Bottom line > I am getting over an additional 150 miles per tank than I was getting with my 97 expedition 5.4. To me, the diesel was well worth the expense. Yes, diesel in El Paso is same as premium unleaded, but mileage is far exceeding this factor.
Reference notes about diesel being sluggish.... their is nothing sluggish about the engine, unless you are looking to jack rabbit from the red light. This engine is responding well, and I have no complaints at all.
Bottom Line: People Stop and Look at this truck. It is worth it!
Also, if you are considering keeping this truck for a while, diesel would be your best long term investment..... engines are really broken in at 100k miles, where as gas are starting to reach their "so long" point.
Food for thought.... hope this helps. Yes, you can tell that I am a very satisfied 250 owner. And to be fair, I have had 2 F-150s in the past also. Good Luck.
No Flames.....
A diesel engine in a pickup truck is just like Coors beer. There are them's that like it and them's that don't.
If you don't care for a diesel, for what ever reason, that's cool. I just hope that you don't like Coors either. (That way there's more for me.)
Rich
Here's my formula.
Take the GCWR of the truck
- GVWR of the truck
- full tank of gas
- weight of all people
- 200 lbs per person for their stuff
- GVWR of the camper(they it posted on
every camper. You can usually
find it inside the cabinets.
- the hitch components weight
When all done I say you need about 1500 lbs of cushion leftover. In my F150 I was to the limit of the rating, and hated every minute of it. Too little power and WAY TOO LITTLE BRAKING CAPACITY AND VEHICLE STABILITY. My new truck is a dream, AND my fuel mileage is nearly the same.
You'll never be sorry you bought too much truck. Besides if you like camping as much as we do, you'll be looking at the bigger ones in a few years, and more slide outs as well.
Good Luck.
Thank you.
Good Luck!
I'm sure you could buy aftermarkets for much less. The Ford/Navistar/Cat injectors weren't great for reliability at their high price...the question is, how would the cheaper ones be?
One company I worked for had a fleet of 30 Powerstrokes at one time, '95 thru '98 year models (when I was there). Every truck with 150K miles or more had at least 2 injectors replaced on it, and 80% of the trucks with 100K miles had at least 2 injectors replaced. I never saw a truck that needed all 8 replaced, but saw as many as 6.
That injector was redesigned with the 'new' Powerstroke, so hopefully it is no longer a problem.
We had several gas engines (all GM, 350s and 454s) and they all lasted just as long as the Powerstrokes with MUCH less cost to the bottom line. you only had to change oil and filters and an occaisional distributor or water pump...they kept on going.
But no, they wouldn't pull or sound like those Powerstrokes....
The Powerstroke does not have a fuel pump like the all the other diesels in the world. The Powerstrokes fuel pump is no more than a supply pump, like on a gasoline truck. I never heard of one failing, and doubt it would be very expensive...probably more costs in the labor to get to it.
Other diesels have high pressure gear driven pumps on the engine. The fuel pressure on a Powerstroke is developed in the injector...thus the high complexity...thus the high injector cost.
My 99 F250,sc,V10,4x4,3.73 has 21,000 miles.
12.5 to 13 mpg city (Atlanta)
15 to 16 mpg highway (unloaded @ around 75 mph)
9 to 10 mpg pulling 7500 lbs @ around 70 mph
Mom's 00 F250,sc,V10,4x4,4.30 has 1500 miles
10 to 11 city
11 to 11.5 highway
8.5 to 9.0 pulling 9000 lbs @ 65-70 mph
my city mileage is less that fordtuf's,...more like 10.5 to 11. I'm sure he has more 40 to 50 mph 'city' driving. In a smaller town with lots of 30 to 45 speed limits I get what I have stated above. A bed load of tools (several hundred pounds) does not seem to affect the in town mileage. Highway mileage is almost always 15.0 - 15.8. Towing a 4500lb. trailer at 70 mph I get between 12 and 13.
Thanks
majority here own 250's. Can I get some feed back
on why some of you decided on 250's vs 350's? Was
it price or ride? I've also heard that more truck
is better, 250 vs 150 and diesel vs gas. So why
not a 350? I agree with "mo betta" that's why I
ordered a 01' 350 PSD 4x4 CC lariat
appreciate the feedback.
As far as the 250, why not spend the extra a get a heavier truck.
This sort of makes sense because I've visited a few dealers and asked if they had any 01 sched to show up and the response was not till late Nov or early Dec. My order was placed in the order bank on the 3rd week of Sept and should arrive in mid Dec. My dealer is in Houston and emailed him to see if my truck would have the new HP engine. He has not reponded in 2 days. I'll keep you posted.
thank