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Well, it's more about possible lawsuits than "babying." Our ever growing litigious society (USA! USA!) basically forces manufacturers/vendors to add these little annoying safety features. Most Navigation implementations at least lock-out non-saved destination changes while moving; the Acura system is one of the few that does not.
(Hey LR, how about allowing changes when there is a passenger? There is already a passenger sensor for the airbag!)
Right... I agree. But:
a) I am not in the USA, so I do not see why my life should be affected by its messy legal system.
b) LR could stand up to the damn lawyers instead of giving in. Not everyone does it, so evidently it is not strictly necessary. Matter of principle, too: the GPS, the windows, the roof, the BING BING BING sound when I open the door with the key in: I can imagine they can do a lot more to make life annoying for us and safe for the lawyers.
c) These thinmgs do not necessarily contribute to safety. Me stopping on the freeway was MUCH more dangerous than allowing me (passenger actually) to type in the address. Forcing me to keep pressing a button to close a window is much more distracting than just doing it automatically.. etc. If we are going to annoy customers for reasons of 'safety', let's make sure it really is safety.
[end of rant;)]
Yes, but setting a new address is what I needed to do. They may or may not want me to do something but last time I checked it was my car, my life, etc. :-)
Plus, while trying to figure out if it was broken (soem options appeared as you point out, some didn't), I spent at last five minutes on this while drving. Talk about being distracted!
Michael
Also, I found you don't have to be in Park to punch in a new destination, you just have to have come to a stop. I don't think this is any relief, since when you're in this mode, you're probably waitinguin traffic to go fwd at any second. Which then blanks out the entry screen.
Art
For entering POI's, here is what I do: Tap the screen once or twice (forget which), brings up a POI button at bottom right. Touch POI button. From there, you can add POI's to be displayed or deleted on the screen. You can do all of this while driving.
Just say "Navigation POI Italian" for restaurant Italian or Post Office, Petrol etc.
To remove use "Navigation POI off"
The more you use the voice activation the more it gets to understand you I have found. Using normal speech voice levels. Maybe I'm getting better at the right commands!
I think LR need a comprehensive Vouce Command reference book for users though! There are lots of commands, including all the "Phone Directory" etc. which would be nice to implement with Bluetooth.
By the way, all the screens on navigation equipped vehicles have inputs for rear view camera and a secondary video input. Accessing the special settings menu brings the inputs up for programming.
Also - does anyone have the direct links to the other LR3 message boards. Thanks.
Well, "kind of." There are no "normal" video inputs to my knowledge. The basic design, which is generic for all the vehicles (LR3, Range Rover Sport & Range Rover), would allow other devices -- like a Rear View Camera or "VentureCam" -- on the MOST bus. But it doesn't mean you just "plug it in and it works." The core debug/diag functions of the system does not imply latent functionality in the LR3 version of the user interface.
You can push basic video from camera or DVD etc through the inputs.
They are the same as Range Rover inputs & theres quite a few aftermarket back up camera systems for the RR that should be available once they figure the system out & the car gets more abundant etc.
There is also an input for a companion camera which I believe is a camera you would probably use to watch the dog or kids etc.
I cant post pics to this forum but I have pics available of the screens.
I do know a person in England that has his Disco3 with backup camera & DVD all working through the Nav screen.
Cant be rocket science methinks!
Its probably not been done much because LR is stingy or hopeless with documentation!
And what Menu on the NAV screen allows for all this to happen???? I haven't run into it and I thought I pretty much played with every menu choice.
Yes, lots of folks have the links but to post them here would violate the Terms of Use. Click on "Rules of the Road" at the top of this page to review them.
tidester, host
Just don't get your hopes up you can magically have the GUI interface support them, so it acts fully integrated. Diagnostics does not mean support. If you do know of someone that has managed to really add functionality without bypassing the system, send us a pointer! I've only had minimal conversions with my contacts regarding the system internals, as it isn't their specialty and they know very little... especially regarding doing unsupported things with it. I'm only passing around what I've heard, which may be wrong - it's a Land Rover Misinformation thing.
If someone wants to try to take the '06 Range Rover camera electronics and wedge it on the LR3, more power to them.
No question that you can do what you want with your life. The question is that it is not just your life at stake. The person you may hit while fiddling with the NAV would certainly have a different point of view.
Sure, But again, I do not need Land Rover's lawyers to be the judge of all that. Selling me a dangerous car is one thing: if for instance driving the car NECESSITATED using a screen while driving, that would not be a good thing. But a car that ALLOWS risks is a good thing.
Think of all the other issues that could be addressed by your way of thinking. Why is this car allowed to drive over 100 kph/62 mph, which is Canada's limit? The lawyers should limit it to 61 mph (just to be sure). Why am I allowed to slam on the brakes (very dangerous!)? Why am I allowed to sound the horn? Why am I allowed to adjust the seat while driving? Why can I operate the stereo: if the GPS is dangerous, the stereo is much more so. Heck, why does it even HAVE a stereo? In fact: why am I even allowed to drive any car? I could kill people!
This reductio ad absurdum shows me clearly that they should use the GPS alone.
Mike
If you are a developer in this world, you might be interested in the CEA-2012 MOST network application: http://www.ce.org/standards/StandardDetails.aspx?Id=1751
It's the first step in allowing aftermarket devices to really interoperate. Problem is (for us)... it's far from mature. Don't expect LR to be "cutting edge" -- they can't even get MP3 ID tags or CD Text to display.
The menu he's talking about is the (hidden) diagnostics/debug interface for the Navigation screen system. It isn't a normal "menu."
Be aware I haven't personally confirmed video is fed through the MOST bus ('06 Range Rover related); that's just what I've been told.
I haven't pulled apart the system to actually see if there is a non-MOST analog input somewhere directly on the Navigation electronics. It's always possible my contacts were misled by "MOST" marketing and the '06 Range camera is just plain wire run to the screen.
To get the rear taillight off I just unscrewed 2 screws and then pulled hard. There are 2 plastic retainers that stick out and need to pop. Didn't really see that they would break if you pulled hard.
Thanks for the follow-up. Now I won't be surprised by the plastic retainers if I end up doing this job.
All in all, from someone who also owns a 2002 BMW 540i, this truck (and, remember, it is a truck) has impressive road manners, a comfortable ride, good fit and finish, and no more initial problems or oddities to get used to than the BMW, which Consumer Reports called the best car they ever tested.
I am a happy customer.
The lurching is only noticeable for me when in normal driving mode. I am most comfortable driving around town in sport mode.
Here is the kicker for me. My vehicle Zambezi Silver/Black HSE has some serious paint flaws. So, the dealer agreed to order me a new one and "buy back" my vehicle. I just hope that the replacement, which arrives in the next couple of weeks, works/drives as well.
Has anyone had the opportunity to have new software loaded in their truck? If so, can you comment on any drivetrain improvements?
Oh well...
Salesman was not the same as your's, but he told us from Day One (at delivery) to drive our LR-3 a bit "hard." By the way, the demo that stalled on the LR dealer's course (and could not be immediately restarted - we were stuck going downhill, of course) - was driven by him. At that time, he asked the main tech to perform a check on all software. It appears that the harder we drive our LR3s, they are more responsive apparently due to the adaptive program in the FI and transmission programs. Thus, I find they do not hesitate when pulling out as they did before the programs were
reinstalled. And neither has stalled. I am not sure how many cars stalling issue affects but we are all (my parents, wife and I) very happy with our decision to buy the LR3. Go for it!!
Also, here and there on the glass, roof and rear windows, I noticed some small blemishes in the tinting.
It didn't take long for me to see this stuff. I wonder if LR's QA saw it but let the car go anyway.
P.S. Despite these minor glitches I absolutely LOVE this vehicle!!!!
When you add an interface piece of equipment you tell the system its attached.
I have been told the backup camera gets its sensor input from the gearbox selector same as the autodim door mirrors.
Theres a few UK companies have backup cameras available for the Disco3 (LR3) and I'll try to post details once I get the info.
Its very doable by the way! I'm sure we all have taken what the service department people say with a grain of salt!
Half the dealers don't even know about all the diesel fuel pumps being installed in the gas tanks!
The dealer has been great.
Grommet is correct. The paint should be perfect at this price point.
All the warning lights came on red or flashing. The handbrake applied by itself (I do not use it when it is cold). The gearing went to LOW all by itself. The display said "HDC Fault - System Not Available". Chaos!
It took me two restarts (key out) to get it all working again. So.. intermittent electrical faults haunt my LR3.
I am not worried if they are solved, and LR have been very good in solving the issues. But by now I am starting to think "replacement car" may soon be in order. What say you all?
To answer your question, seems like to me that unless LR sends some real expertise in to tear your vehicle apart, that your problem won't be solved. Which suggests you ask the dealer to replace the vehicle entirely.
Besides, LR should be happy to get your car back so as to strip it down and find the root cause.
But LR have been very reasonable so they will no doubt continuer to do so. The LR3 is a wonderful car and I want to keep one, and they in turn, as you say, will no doubt want to indetify the errors exactly.
Rather than leave my LR3 at the dealer for an undetermined period of time and be forced to drive a loaner Disco (Since the vehicle is so new, they told me they're not sure of how long it will take to fix the problem.), does any one know of a quick re-synching fix?
Other than this random, self-induced problem I have had no issues with my truck. I love it!
Thank you.
"Putting the key in the
starter switch and running the engine for six
minutes will restore full operation."
Six minutes, not seconds.
Any other ideas?
Thanks.