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  • tifightertifighter WAPosts: 2,400
    I'd have to agree with Mathias here. I've had a number of Cruzes as rentals this year, most recently a 13 LTZ. I thought it was pretty nice. The 1.4T has usable torque, quiet, mileage was acceptable, good sized trunk, and the ride/handling compromise was okay. New touchscreen is responsive, no issues with it locking up, etc. All in all, pretty good and definitely not crap.

    Tesla X Performance / Tesla 3 Performance / https://ts.la/joshua15826

  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 6,876
    It's a little too big and lacks features like a backup camera or parking sensors, but it rides well and I agree it's a lot of car for the money.
  • tifightertifighter WAPosts: 2,400
    There's actually another article they did that compares the Cruze 1.8 and the Impala that's an interesting read. Year old examples of each are probably around the same price, I guess.

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  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 6,876
    edited February 2013
    I've read that (and usually read TTAC every day), but that's probably worth a reread. Baruth's articles on the GLI and GTI planted the seed for my getting one. :D

    Edited to add: Aha! Baruth says the GM 3.6 liter V6 "feels somewhat coarse" in the CTS.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 33,709
    how often do you see one of these in the wild?

    http://southjersey.craigslist.org/cto/3627471441.html

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's)

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 13,459
    I notice that Toyota dealers still have 2012 Priuses (Prii?) on their lots. With gas prices well into the $4/ gal range one would think tv the be selling better.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2017 Pilot Touring AWD, 2019 Tacoma TRD Sport 4WD

  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 6,876
    Never knew they made those with a stick!

    "the bad..abs light comes on and off"

    Add to that, the non-OEM wheels/tires (which look like they came off a Mustang) and lowered suspension. Also, I read the ad three times and don't see where the seller listed the mileage. And another thing: Not enough pics.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 33,709
    my rule of thumb, if they leave it out, you will gag on it.

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's)

  • steine13steine13 Posts: 2,715
    My rule is that if they leave it out it's probably because they want too little money but are embarrassed.

    Seriously: No price = Next!

    -m
  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,602
    Maybe folks have more choices in high mpg vehicles at thousands less than the Prius and maybe they realize that buying a new car to get better mpg is financially foolish.
  • jpp75jpp75 DenverPosts: 1,409
    Most of the Hyundai and Kia's I've had as rentals were very well worn by the 20 - 25 k mark. It was usually things like the seats and controls looking rough and feeling used up. Definitely a huge difference between those and their American and Japanese counterparts with similar mileage.
  • jpp75jpp75 DenverPosts: 1,409
    edited February 2013
    I've never been impressed with the Cruze as a rental and fortunately haven't had one in a few months, usually I can get an upgrade to something better, however occasionally at a really small airport or an offsite location you end up with something like that.

    The Cruze isn't a bad car per se (at least not like the Citation and Cimmaron were) but compared to others in its class it's also not competitive.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    They sell tons of 'em, too.
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 12,280
    Last year I was at IMS the week before the 500, and Chevrolet was offering test drives of several of their cars. Before you could drive a Camaro SS or a Corvette you first had to test drive a more sedate car. I took out a Cruze Eco with the manual transmission, and here is what I wrote about it in my monthly column:

    A very nice little car. I sampled the six speed manual version and found it to be responsive and comfortable. The interior was attractive and appeared well designed and put together. The EPA mpg numbers are 28 city and 42 highway, and you can take one home for less than $20,000. It deserves serious consideration if you want a smaller car that is economical to drive yet doesn't feel cheap.

    Now, most everyone here knows that I am hardly a fan of Gubmint Motors, but I have to give credit when it is due- and I stand by my evaluation.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2014 M235i; 2009 Cooper Clubman; 1999 Wrangler; 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i

  • breldbreld Posts: 4,546
    edited February 2013
    I had a similar experience with the Cruze last year when I tested one out (same model as roadburner drove). Other than the sedan-only body style, the only thing I really didn't care for was the brakes.

    2018 Audi A5 - 2019 VW Alltrack - 2018 VW GTI

  • Sandman6472Sandman6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 4,926
    edited February 2013
    Today I was beaten out of a Nissan Altima and the only other choices were a Chevy Aveo, a Cruze and a 2012 Nissan Sentra. I gave the Cruze to a co-worker who really likes them and took the Sentra. With over 28k on the clock, it was pretty abused inside but it drove beautifully, like I was on a cloud! Very impressive and it didn't fuss when asked for abrupt acceleration. I had to hit 90 + a few times while making a passing move and the car performed very well. I can't wait to try a new '13 Sentra to see if it has been improved but this '12 model was very acceptable and I'm glad I chose it. I had a '13 Kia Forte yesterday and it was quite good also and I wouldn't feel unhappy having it as my dd...it was that good. The Elantra is still a better car but when the new '13 Forte debuts, then we'll really see how far Kia has come. I did get a $25 Visa card offer to test drive any Kia by the end of the month, so I'll probably go and try the Rio as this could be the wife's next ride...she really wants to downsize.

    I drove a co-workers Cruze rental last week during our lunch stop. It was a fully outfitted '13 Cruze LTZ RS and I was totally unimpressed. Only had about 5k on the clock and I still think this is a sub par vehicle...my 7 year old Civic drives better, is quieter and more comfortable...this Cruze even had leather! Maybe it's me and I'm hoping that when I do get to try a Verano that I will be more impressed but as of now, I will avoid any Cruze if possible!

    I've yet to drive a '12 Ford Fusion but had the opportunity to try the new '13 Fusion and honestly, it was just o k, nothing earth shattering or revolutionary in this segment, just o k. Definitely think the Sonata and the Optima are better in all areas and a better value. I'm trying to snag an older Fusion so I can make a fair comparison. I think the Focus is a better car but I am more into compact vehicles. At this point though, the Elantra is still the benchmark in this category as it does almost everything right. But this is my personal opinion and I don't mean to start any flame wars here. I am now in unique position to test most offerings in the market and I also come into this with a sort of special needs agenda as I put seat comfort at the top of my list on everything I get to drive. If I can't get comfortable, the whole experience is going to be a bit tainted as the pain will make me dislike any vehicle but that's just the way it is in my case. Luckily, I've really liked most of what I've got to drive so far with the exception of a few.

    Here's hoping that I get to drive some interesting vehicles in the next few days that I haven't tried before. The Jetta, Verano and Sentra are on my immediate wish list.

    The Sandman :) :sick: :shades:

    2015 Audi A3 (wife) / 2015 Golf TSI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2008 Hyundai Accent GLS (daughter #2)

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    edited February 2013
    Hmm, I didn't like the Sentra rental my wife got. Maybe yours was better equipped.

    The new Sentra has a huge back seat, very impressive. Haven't driven it though.

    We got a Kia Rio loaner shortly after the Sentra and we both liked that better.
  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 6,876
    edited February 2013
    I had the old Sentra as a rental and liked it, which is one of the reasons I bought my current Altima. The Sentra I had was a stripped model, and most of my gripes were about the level of equipment it had--it drove nicely.
  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 6,876
    Took the GLI on a trip around the Cumberland Falls area today. There are lots of nice curvy roads around there. I had a route planned out and uploaded to my Garmin (I brought it along for that reason), but it got confused several times along the way. Regardless of the route, I drove on some really fun roads. The GLI handles really well and is fun to drive. I averaged at least 31 MPG (I calculated 31.5 when I filled the tank, the trip computer read over 32), which I thought was impressive. I drove about 20 miles on the interstate and reset the second trip computer for that run--it reported 30 MPG at 80 MPH. One nice thing about the turbo is that you don't have to give it 100% throttle to accelerate briskly. :D

    Now the bad: My left knee cramped up within a few hours, which is odd since the car is an automatic! I'm hoping it's related to the three miles I walked yesterday and not due to the positioning of the dead pedal, which is a large plastic molded affair and not a little piece of rubber glued to the carpet like the Altima. Also, the car now has exactly 1,000 miles and I'm able to measure some tire wear with my digital tire depth gauge, which doesn't bode well. :surprise:
  • gouldngouldn Posts: 223
    edited February 2013
    The Forester threw a CEL and with 200.5k I don't blame it! So I stepped up the replacement activities today. I really didn't like the way the Prius V drove, but really like the idea of high MPG, so I tried a Plug In Prius today. They only have two trim levels, and the upper trim level is right at $40K ... um no. So i test drove the $32K version. Overall ... not a bad car, but no, I guess I cannot deal with the Prius driving experience. It was marginally better than the Prius V ... it's not horrible, it's just antiseptic ... if that's a word to describe the dull driving experience. The car itself was comfortable, and had neat electronic do-dads. Maybe it's time get over my experience of my 1993 Audi and give them another chance with the A3 tdi. Honestly though I think I'm gonna end up with a 2014 Forester Limited, provided the CVT isn't horrible. If I cannot deal with the CVT I'll probably go with the new RAV4 or maybe a Mazda CX5. I called the Redwood City Subaru dealer and even though their website shows one in stock .. they say there are NONE in stock until mid March.

    I'm also flirting with the idea of throwing all ideals out the window and buying something silly ... like a used Boxter or S2K ... I DID dump all my motorcycles; can't I have something dangerous and non-practical?
  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 6,876
    Well, you could always test drive a Jetta Hybrid... :P
  • gouldngouldn Posts: 223
    Let's see ... turbo, hybrid, VW, first year model ... what could go wrong?
  • Sandman6472Sandman6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 4,926
    Just finished packing a lunch and about to head out. Leaving Lauderdale at 7 a m as folks want to get home by 4ish if possible. You can tell it's season in Florida as there was traffic on both coasts yesterday...75 was just as bad as 95 and add in construction on both highways, well...driving can be a real test of patience at times. Why do northerners drive like crazy folk? No signals, pulling out in front into the left speed lane without a signal...I could go on! Yesterday I was mentally worn out by the time we got to the Tampa airport and luckily could relax on the return trip. I have both iPods with me so I'll have continuous tunes to listen to as I just close my eyes and veg on the way home. The music relaxes me and takes the stress away.

    Here's to having a great day and hopefully I'll get a comfortable vehicle I've never driven before!

    The Tired Sandman :) :sick: :shades:

    2015 Audi A3 (wife) / 2015 Golf TSI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2008 Hyundai Accent GLS (daughter #2)

  • tommister2tommister2 Mechanicsville, VAPosts: 330
    Have you seen the Ford C-Max? The new issue of Motor Trend compared it to the Prius and they liked the Ford better. Might be worth a test drive for you.
    2011 Toyota Camry, 2014 Jeep Wrangler, 2015 Subaru Forester, 2017 Honda Civic Coupe
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    edited February 2013
    A roadster makes a great 2nd vehicle, but not a primary one.

    Do check out the C-Max but make sure you try that back seat.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 130,767
    I once had a delivery route that encircled Lake Cumberland, each day. Pretty scenery and curvy roads, but not that much fun in an Econoline..

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  • michaellnomichaellno Posts: 4,300
    edited February 2013
    Went away for the weekend to celebrate the wife's birthday. While we were out and about we started talking about cars for her.

    She commented that she saw an ad for the fiat 500 - lease for $199 mo. So I jumped online with my phone and found a red "pop" model with automatic and alloys for under $18 grand.

    Couldn't get her to go to the dealer to test drive, however. Figured that we wouldn't save the two hundred bucks (plus insurance ) each month.

    But, at least she's thinking about something smaller to commute in and keep the Mazda for family duty.
  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 6,876
    Come to think of it, I did get stuck behind a FedEx truck yesterday. :P
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 12,280
    She commented that she saw an ad for the fiat 500 - lease for $199 mo. So I jumped online with my phone and found a red "pop" model with automatic and alloys for under $18 grand.

    My Fiat "Studio" is hot to sell me an Abarth; I think that they want some cars in the hands of gearheads who will give then some visibility at HPDEs and such. So far I've been offered one for $2000 off MSRP, which means I can get one equipped the way I'd want for @$23,500. As I've said before, I really liked the one I test drove.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2014 M235i; 2009 Cooper Clubman; 1999 Wrangler; 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i

  • michaellnomichaellno Posts: 4,300
    There are lots of 2012 500's still on the lots. Don't know what kind of deals are available off sticker; wife just likes that the 500 is "cute".

    I think a problem would arise when she puts foot to throttle to find out that 101hp is a bit less than she's used to. Do they offer an abarth with the auto?
    :sick:
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 12,280
    edited February 2013
    Do they offer an abarth with the auto?

    In Europe you can get an Abarth with a DSG, but I believe it has less horsepower than the US model- Europeans get several Abarth models, and the Abarth EsseEsse is the European equivalent of the US Abarth, In Europe our 500 Turbo is also called an Abarth- and there are several Special Editions as well.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2014 M235i; 2009 Cooper Clubman; 1999 Wrangler; 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i

  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,602
    They have a black Abarth in the mall. Wife and I looked it over. Very small but nicely appointed. Asked her if she would like to wake up one morning and take it on a road trip from coast to coast. "Absolutely," she said, "If I was still 18." I test drove one and it would be fine around town or on a short commute -- I'd really like to fit a set of golf cart tires on it and use it on the course. Heat and A/C. :shades:
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 33,709
    no, not a car, but I finally got gas again in the Integra! Took a whopping 7 gallons. Worked out to be 23 MPG, over 2 months of mostly sitting and very short hops. Doubt it has really been warmed up fully more than 1-2 times since I had it!

    so I took a little drive to burn off the gunk and moisture. About 20 miles, with 15 or so on a local semi-highway, so minutes at a time at 60-65. Seemed to enjoy it, and was running smoother when I got home.

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's)

  • fintailfintail Posts: 48,238
    First week with the new car - city mpg - 95% of my driving so far - is averaging 24-25mpg, which already beats EPA estimates (surprising as traffic controls here are so stupid), where the old car was usually around 14mpg. If only that could translate into enough savings to cover the payment. No issues with the car yet, but I am taking it in tomorrow to have the gas door aligned and a loose exhaust tip fixed.

    50 years of evolution:

    No wonder the new car is 1000lbs heavier, it is bigger and thicker:

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 130,767
    Abarth at the Cincinnati auto show stickered at $28K. :surprise:

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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 33,709
    The 500 looks like a fun little around-town runabout, but really does not seem like a viable choice for Michael's wife to do her business travelling with.

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's)

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    That's about 10 grand less than a loaded Mini.
  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyPosts: 9,026
    Love the pictures, sounds like you are enjoying the new ride.

    2017 Buick Enclave / 2019 Volvo S60 T6 Inscription

  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAPosts: 5,611
    These are some outstanding pictures. Thanks for sharing!
    2019 Subaru Outback 3.6R Limited, 2019 BMW i3 REX, 2016 BMW X1 xDrive28i
  • mark156mark156 Posts: 2,006
    What year is the Blue Mercedes and what number is on the back?
    Great pics!

    Mark156
    2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 12,280
    Abarth at the Cincinnati auto show stickered at $28K.

    The one I'm considering has the 17" wheels, leather seats, the "Comfort and Convenience" package(auto HVAC, SiriusXM, heated seats), the audio upgrade, and red mirror caps/stripes. MSRP is $26,600. I could do without the 17" wheels in which case the MSRP would be $25,400. The only other available options are a hole in the roof and navigation(which is little more than a pre-wired Bluetooth capable TomTom unit with a dash mounted backet).

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2014 M235i; 2009 Cooper Clubman; 1999 Wrangler; 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 13,459
    Great pic! I love your D350. It is just stunning.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2017 Pilot Touring AWD, 2019 Tacoma TRD Sport 4WD

  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 12,280
    edited February 2013
    Nice!!! You can guess which one I prefer. ;)
    I'll have to do a "35 Years of Evolution" shot with my '02 and 328i.
    Funny thing; I just received an invitation from our local M-B dealer to test drive one of their new cars- in exchange I get a $100 gift card to a very nice local restaurant. They are also offering up to $6,000 off some of their new inventory. I'm taking them up on it, but I want something small and nimble with three pedals, so I seriously doubt I'll be bringing anything home other than the gift card... :P

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2014 M235i; 2009 Cooper Clubman; 1999 Wrangler; 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i

  • michaellnomichaellno Posts: 4,300
    The 500 looks like a fun little around-town runabout, but really does not seem like a viable choice for Michael's wife to do her business travelling with.

    Not necessarily true. Her new commute will be 22 miles - most of it interstate. The other driving she'll do is around town to different child care providers, so the nimbleness would work well. No long trips, and, given what we're learning about her new responsibilities, she won't need to haul around a lot of stuff (iPod, calendar and notebook).
  • fintailfintail Posts: 48,238
    edited February 2013
    The old car is a 220SE, a fuel injected model. It is a late run first series fintail, just about to have its 50th birthday.

    It feels a lot more related to the new car than the E55 was - engine clatter, not as fast, smoother ride.

    Thanks for all the compliments on the pics, guys. I've taken side by side pics with all the cars I've owned alongside the old beast.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 48,238
    Hmm, I should see if I can get a free meal out of my purchase too :shades: I ended up negotiating the new car to roughly 6K off, which was about 2500 under invoice. There are some deals to be had right now, I think the sales war is really in effect.

    The old car has its positives, like lightness and visibility. The new car is certainly not small, and no third pedal for those of us in NA.
  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 6,876
    Beautiful cars, fintail!

    One of the features I've noticed on the GLI is the way the cornering lamps work--they are integrated into the headlight assembly but point to the side and provide quite a bit of light. When you activate the turn signal, they don't come on until you slow below 25 mph. I think that's a neat way for them to operate--it's one of those touches that makes a car feel special. Anyway, I suspect you'll notice a lot of things like that on the new Merc.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 48,238
    Thanks.

    My car has adaptive lights, which has cornering and high beam assist. It's cool to see the lights swivel with turns, and the high beam function is interesting - if you are in the city the lights are normal, but on empty dark road you can see the lights aim higher, then go low for oncoming cars. Also, all lighting on the car is LED/xenon. All of this stuff does feel special, gives a feeling that the money went somwhere.
  • mark156mark156 Posts: 2,006
    edited February 2013
    WOW, a 1964 Mercedes 220SE... nice. I took the 1964 RR Silver Cloud III out today for a spin.... and it gets quite the attention. We'll have had it 15 yrs. this Oct., time sure goes by fast. :blush:

    Mark156
    2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAPosts: 5,611
    Hey fin-

    Looks like your E55 is actually up on the lot at Barrier. Listed at just under $20k.
    2019 Subaru Outback 3.6R Limited, 2019 BMW i3 REX, 2016 BMW X1 xDrive28i
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