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The 1.9 ltr TDI's could carbon up enough to eventually stop the engine, and the clean up process is expensive, dirty and doesn't really solve the problem.
I have heard that the new 2 ltr TDI engine is a complete re-design, so am curious if anyone has heard that the clogging up problems of the older engines has been resolved.
All common rails are not created equal. Many Liberty CRDs experienced EGR valve failure early (22k miles on mine) due to LSD fuel. Failures dropped dramatically after ULSD fuel was widely available (40k miles on 2nd EGR valve and still going). Punch a CRD and lots of black smoke goes out the exhaust. The Dodge Sprinter with the Mercedes engine is a very clean diesel engine. I see them a lot where I work. They are driven hard and I have never seen even a wisp of smoke go out the exhaust on one.
I just inspected the intake on my 2005 PD Jetta TDI last week and there is very little carbon build up at 87k miles. If it happens to need cleaning it’s not technically difficult and I can live with it.
It' been suggested that a lot of urban driving contributes to the build up, but longer drives where the system gets hot, will help keep the crap moving through the engine, like it's designed. Any thoughts?
The local VW shop recommends that the TDI intake manifold and head should be completly removed, soaked in a strong solvent and blown out, not any kind of chemical flush used on the engine. At over a hundred dollars and hour for shop rate now, that would be a nasty bill.
I am seriously considering a new 09 Jetta TDI. So call me a Nervous Nellie if you must, but no solid information on the re-designed engine does bother me.
I wonder if this posting from "Freds TDI' is getting close to the secret of why some TDI engines do and others..don't..............
"Oils that lack the CG-4 or CH-4 rating don't have the same level of anti-foaming and soot-dispersing capability. The best quality diesel-engine oils deal with it and render the soot as harmless to the engine as possible. Oils that don't meet the CG-4 or CH-4 ratings can't handle as much soot, so you need to change them sooner.
Finally, cheaply made oils (not the same as cheaply priced ...) usually won't have the same resistance to breakdown at high temperatures, that good quality oil does. High temperatures are found in the turbocharger. When oil breaks down at high temperature over a period of time, it "cokes" or builds up deposits in the high-temperature areas, which then restrict lubrication. Bye-bye, turbo."
If you buy a "Pre-loved" VW, you don't really know what oil has been used for changes. The VW recommended motor oil is expensive and hard to find, so if my intuition about human behavior is even half right, some V W's have been fed the wrong oil after the dealership services are over...and then I have heard that even they can't be trusted to always use the right product.
Makes you wonder if this is the a big part of the answer...
Hey chunky, mind sharing with us exactly what they told you? So far there have been several theories presented as to the Coking problem.
i.e. wrong oil, bad diesel fuel, lugging the motor to save fuel, and mostly city driving.
Hold your nose and watch this video of a unique way of cleaning out the Crud in a TDI manifold!
http://www.errachidia.org/video/video-tdi-2-oet4qWeZuYA.html
I doubt it very much. I don't think the previous owner even changed the air filter or the fuel filter much less had the carbon cleaned. I have never seen an air filter bulged out over an inch in the middle and a fuel filter this corroded.
It' been suggested that a lot of urban driving contributes to the build up, but longer drives where the system gets hot, will help keep the crap moving through the engine, like it's designed. Any thoughts?
There is evidence from the nature of the tire wear that the car was driven hard, or at least braked hard.
To the extent that there is a design defect in TDIs, that defect is that the engines have EGR valves. The 2009 TDI has the advantage of burning ULSD fuel from the start.
My '05 TDI looks like it might have around 1/8 inch of soot by the time it hits 150k miles. The previous owner must have abused it just about right.
There's lots of chatter on the internet about how great 'clean diesels' are now, so hopefully the ULSD will become avaliable at more stations.
Honda has a new 4 cyl, clean diesel on the way in the Accord later this year..so that might finally break the ice and get the oil companies into the 21 century.
Postings like this road test of a nice 06' have got to be helping wake up the public....(the car has ben sold)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5aDihD1AqI&feature=related
When I was able to contact the dealer about it today, they told me it had a "blown turbo" and was going to the dealership wholesale auction...tomorrow.
Then they said what would you offer us for it?
Keep in mind I live 1000 miles away and have no idea of what the repairs could come to, and if they did they weren't saying.
Sorry to say I choked and told them I could not imagine what a dollar figure for the Jetta might be under these circumstances and said, take it out back and put it out of it's misery.
Other than that it was just what I am looking for..........
mpg is up from 45 mpg to 55 mpg, but the tailgators in the right lane may be worse than those in the left!
Indeed by default and posted and printed LAW the FAR right lane is the ONLY lane not required to move out of the way of oncoming/overtaking vehicles. (keep right except to pass)
You are perfectly within your rights to be a RLC' er (right lane camper) !!!! STAY the COURSE !!
On a more serious note as you probably would agree, as the far right lane has become or has BEEN the DEFACTO fast lane- often times I go to the slow left of the right lane to let them go by. :shades: :lemon:
In fact, my wife and I test-drove a 4X4 Tiguan just today. (not diesel) Using the ABS-pump to supply pressure to the parking-brakes is a GREAT idea. (no more parking-brake lever with cables to seeze-up)
I would prefer to have a MANUAL xmission ...but it is not available with 4X4.
I DO NOT like the fact that the 2.0L turbo engine requires PREMIUM gasoline. The salesman are very good at not mentioning that little tidbit.
What do you think?
It has the Package 2 options including the power memory seats, steering wheel contols, sun roof, new tires and auto trans. The car has 61,000 miles of mostly hyway driving and has had the VW service shedule since new.
He wants $15,900 dollars for it and seems kind of sentimental about it.
From what I am seeing on the car lots and eBay I don't think I am going to find much that comes close to this deal...
Anyone have any thoughts?
The new vehicle will cost a little more, but it has a full warranty and the new more powerful engine. Also much higher resale value.
I did my first test drive in a brand new 09' TDI this week and found it to be as smooth as silk everytime I did the intesection test. No hesitation, no stumble, felt great. Very quiet car, and power to spare up to about 70 then it got kind of lazy.
In Montana, Idaho and Utah, the 09's are flying off the lots as soon as they are off the truck, except Great Falls where the dealer is asking $2000.00 over sticker and seems fine with the obvious price gouge.
In todays market I don't think people are that gung ho about being shafted for an extra $2000.00 just because the dealer has got away with that crap in the past.
Idaho...have 'lists' and people with deposits taking the first ones to hit the lot, but at least they are sticking to the MSRP.
Utah.... lots of stock but no discount deals anywhere either...(so far)
Texas seems to have lots of Jettas of all years and models but so far I havn't seen any incentives like 09's for $21,000
I think the advice to spend an extra few Thou' and buy a new 09' is good advice, considering all the issues of paying $16 to $18,000 for a used one off waranty.
Hell, I have looked at several used 06's Jettas that they still want $21,000 for, a car that cost $24,000 3 years ago.
Right now, VW has the market cornered on the green Diesel that gets great mpg's, but there is going to be a new Kid on the Block later this year when Honda rolls out the popular Accord in a TDI option that gets the same or even better mpgs than the Jetta.
Might be a good idea right now to hang tough for a few months and see what the fall market will bring..
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9712548-7.html
But at the same time, when one already has a TDI, even after running the numbers, it is still attractive to keep it (03 TDI with 114,000 miles).
The dealer is asking $18,999, Blue Book is $19,150
Any thoughts on the price. Seems like there are used TDI’s showing up on the lots these days.
Longo2, my '05 is either lazy or zippy. I was reading the owner's manual and discovered that there is a dual mode program in this vehicle (maybe in the 06 also). I think it was referred to as 'economy mode' and 'sport mode'. I'd have to look again to be sure. Mine drives almost lethargic at low throttle settings in economy mode. I don't know whether it's throttle position or how fast the pedal is moved that sets it off, but when sport mode kicks in it's like a different vehicle. :surprise:
"Honda announced at the Tokyo auto show that there will be a US-spec Accord diesel for 2009. The engine displaces 2.2L, and is expected to produce 150 horsepower and 260 lb-ft of torque. Unique to the Honda diesel is the fact that is will not need a urea injection system like Mercedes, but rather will have a NOx converter that produces its own ammonia through a chemical reaction that reacts with the NOx to produce harmless nitrogen and water. The advantage this has over the Mercedes/VW urea unit is that it will not need to be replenished with AdBlue liquid, which is needed for the urea system to work"... Full story here at Autosavant
And more TDI gossip...
"they are rebuilding the engine and are still planning on another emmisons test in time for a 2010 introduction"
Sorry for the assumption that the internet always gets things right the first time.
In any case, I will wait for a better deal on an 09' Jetta TDI.and not hold my breath on Honda getting it's TDI right this year..
The 09' Jetta is amazing in all respects.
May be a ways away, but there are ton of new TDI Jettas above, and the prices are good.
You are sure right about Maryland not being close to my car hunting ground, but those Jetta TDI buyers on the East Coast must love this Fitzmall guy! He is brutal about his pricing and I would imagine printing out his listings and keeping them in your back pocket, would give fits to the car crooks who are charging $2000 over MSRP. cold shivers.
My dream Jetta,TDI
DSG transmission
Power sunroof
Tinted Glass
Rear lip spoiler
I-Pod adaptor
Premim Stereo
Rubber trunk protector and floor mats....INTERNET PRICED at $22,581
Out here all you get is whining about no stock and uncertain delivery, so there fore you should kiss the dealers **s and pay him whatever he wants if he has one.
I guess they don't get it, if they started dealing with the public like we wern't all sheep, VW would start sending them more cars to sell.
The Fitzmall guys throw in the 3 years of sheduled services with a loaner car every time, loads up the vehicles with some decent options, and then knocks off a few thou' to get the $ale done.
I wish VW would make all their dealers aware that if they want cars to sell, they should get their heads out of their ***s.
This week I purchased a 2005 VW NB TDI with DSG transmission and 47,000 miles. The wife has taken it from me and tells me how much she loves “her” new car. :confuse:
I threatened to trade the 2008 Taurus for a 09 Jetta TDI (that are suddenly clogging all the VW dealer lots) and she said “Okay”. Hmmm, not sure I’m ready to all VW, but tempting.
AND, the really good news, Rick Wagner is stepping down from GM. I hope “Mr. Anti Diesel” drops far from sight.
Life is good. :shades:
Mine is a model year 2005, mfg in 2004. The manual states (I think) 90,000mi. However, since my car was on the cusp of the engine/body/manual change I want to be sure that is correct for my vehicle (since I've heard VW has been known to include old or new manuals with the wrong model).
Also, is any service required with the 5-speed?
Thanks!
Talk to the internet sales manager at your dealership - they always give you a better deal.
http://fitzmall.com/Fitzway/Carfind/resultsa.asp?lstOrd1=EPC
They will ship it to you though for a cost. A friend of mine once ordered a car over the phone from about 300 miles away. They just showed up with a flatbed and dropped the car in his driveway. He signed the papers and they were off. Usually the price difference between areas is not great enough to make this worth while, but we live in a small town with dealers that think they can charge whatever they want. I think the charge is over $1 per mile. They get retired people to drive the flatbeds for not a ton of money as they get a mini vacation out of the deal - expenses hotel etc.
Word of advice to the male owners of Jetta TDI's..... DON'T HAND YOUR KEYS OVER TO YOUR WIFE! YOU MIGHT NOT EVER SEE THEM AGAIN!
Too late
I bought one in November with the DSG tranny and just had the 10K mile service performed. On my 24 mile commute (averaging about 40 mph) the computer says I average about 41 mpg. When it's warmer, above 50 F, I have averaged above 46 mpg. On a recent trip to Tennessee (at about 68 mph), the best I could get was 42.5 mpg.
Also I was offered an extended warranty to 110K miles (bumper to bumper, I believe, with a $100 deductible) for $1265. The dealer said he was concerned I wasn't protected from failures of all the electronic components on the new TDIs. What do you think about this?