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VW Jetta TDI

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  • bobgwtwbobgwtw Member Posts: 187
    I drive 60,000 miles a year & just went through the same process. TDI pkg 2 vs 4 cylinder XLE camry.

    The very negative repair history in consumer reports,personal knowledge of problems VW owners have had, and the unwillingness of most VW dealers to quote a price on 100.000 mile service - those that were willing quoted $1200.00 - 18 to 20 months for me- realy made the decision easy for me. VW's rediculous maintenance costs, choppy ride & small inerior made the Camry with it's room, great ride. $2000.00 price advantage & low maintenance a no brainer for me.

    I ordered the Camry from a dealer in Ohio to get away from SE Toyota's rediculous extra charges. I did blow the savings by ordering the V6. but after driving it, It's worth the extra money. I'll have it in 6-8 weeks
  • bobgwtwbobgwtw Member Posts: 187
    Quality is comprised of many components. interior ambience & material being one of them; & yes, VW does set the standard. But look at repair & maintenance. They also factor into the quality equation; and a review of Jetta repair history on pages, 14,15 & 93, of the Consumer Reports Annual Auto Issue - along with personal knowledge of roblems friends have experienced - paint a pretty negative overall picture of VW quality.
  • sebring95sebring95 Member Posts: 3,241
    I've had three Camry V6's that I commuted in until I moved over to the a Jetta TDI. They were good cars, although the last (a '97 model) was very problematic and Toyota screwed me over a bit. I always did my own maintenance for the most part, and found very little difference between the two. The TDI performed as well for my use (slower 0-60, but excellent highway/passing power) and turned twice the mpg. I always averaged around 24mpg with the Camry V6, usually well over 45mpg with the Jetta. This is 90% highway driving.

    My opinion on the TDI has always been this: if you're going to go to a dealer for all service, the VW will cost you more than the fuel savings. Of course, maybe not compared to a V6 Camry....you'll spend more on fuel. Quality wise...Toyota has slacked off over the years. My '92 and '95 Camrys were amoung the best vehicles I've owned. Several later model Toyotas have been just average IMHO. My '00 Jetta has had very few problems. I give reliability little thought...the difference between the best and worst is really not all the much these days.
  • tdsostdsos Member Posts: 1
    I just had to have my EGR cooler replaced and it cost $1300. That doesn't sound reasonable to me. How did everyone else fair?
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    Given the average USA drivers yearly mileage of 12,000- 15,000 miles, you do 4 to 5 X's more per year than the average bear! While the neatest thing is that you truly have a plethora of choices, in my case MPG,initial plus operating costs are pretty high on the priority list. (I have a requirement for a lowly 44,000 miles per year :(:))

    So another approach might be a VW TDI, Honda Civic, Toyota Corolla, Mazda 3. I do not know the MPG for a 6 cylinder Toyota Camry in YOUR circumstances, so I will assume the high side of the EPA of 22/31.

    I know that in my commutes the 2003 VW TDI gets 50 mpg, the Honda Civic gets 38 mpg. So given 60,000 miles per year, the consumption of fuel is 1935/1200/1579 gals, respectively. At app $3. per gal, the yearly cost, respectively is $5,805/$3,600/$4,737. So for me just the fuel SAVINGS alone between a 6 cylinder Camry and the VW TDI over 5/6 years would be enough to buy a Honda Civic (2nd car). Or pay for 220,500 miles of commuting in a VW TDI.

    The only thing scheduled that is so called "expensive" on the VW TDI is the TB timing belt change at 100k or so (600). This is vs a TB timing belt change at app the same mileage of (550)for a 2004 Honda Civic.

    There is also a greater chance of unscheduled maintainanace due to VW reputation for higher % of problematic cars. In my case over 73,000 miles the VW TDI has been FLAWLESS. To be fair the Honda Civic with 26,000 miles has been FLAWLESS also. However the wearable parts on the Honda Civic seem to be wearing faster than on the VW TDI. This of course will mean I will need "scheduled" maintainance at more frequent intervals which would tend to cost more say over the life of a typical 5/6 year loan. During this period, you would tend to put on 300,000/360,000 miles. My sense is both vehicles VW TDI and Honda Civic are capable of going 300,000/360,000 miles. But I will let you know!! You of course will probably let US know SOONER !! All the best!
  • bobgwtwbobgwtw Member Posts: 187
    You raise valid points, ruking 1. I fully expect the camry to be somewhat more expensive to run than the TDI; but I like comfort & lots lots of toys that weren't available on the Civic or Corolla; and I hate repair bills. As for the TDI, I really liked the car, but, the facts & postings about VQ quality - plus service managers in my area quoting $1200. for the TB service ($65.00/month at my mileage)scared me away.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    I can certainly respect what you are saying. I guess the reason for my post was the (almost) brutality of the numbers!! The costs for the "comfort & lots of toys...and I hate repair bills" does translate/transfer to the operational side, given your 60,000 miles per year.

    I should also round out the post by including the 1068 per year diffence in mpg between the Camry and the Honda Civic. Of course over a 5/6 year typical loan period this translates to 5340/6,408. Again all the best!!
  • eliaselias Member Posts: 2,209
    i think no other vehicle (certainly not a TDI, not even 2-reg TDI) will be as safe as the XC90. many well-informed auto geeks think XC90 is the safest passenger vehicle for sale currently in USA.
    even so, our XC90 has been parked lately and my wife is opting to drive our passat TDI instead due to the ~20 cents per mile savings (TCO) as well as the TDI's 650 miles per tank.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    It also would be interesting to compare what you pay for insurance. (given the same coverage and mileage) This would represent what the insurance company thinks of the risk THEY take. So for example the Jetta is cheaper to insure vs the Honda Civic. Over the life of a 5/6 year loan this can also be substantial.
  • jworthingtonjworthington Member Posts: 42
    Wow. I did not think my question would invoke such a discussion or create a stir as it appears to have.

    I know that the XC90 is a safe car. That is the largest reason I had for purchasing it. But we don't have the luxury of having it sit in the driveway. Not for the $650/month car payment. Another savings is the difference in car payment per month on, approx, a 12k loan--about $350-$400.

    I did some simple math. Figuring that we drive about 30k per year, assuming that I will get 24 mpg in the Camry and 40 in the TDI, that the average price of gas will remain at $3 (pipe dream, I know) I would save about $1200 per year in fuel costs.

    I have never kept a car for 100k miles or over 5 years. My 99 Miata, when I sold it in '05, had only 35k. The warranty of 5/50 seems adequate for me if I can keep my wife from putting such large miles on the car. Even if we keep it for 3 years under the warranty, I feel comfortable. Warranties are a good thing and if people are complaining of problems with the car, I would much rather have VW pay for the repair than I.

    We were very impressed with the safety records, in its class, of the TDI. I was not so with the Camry. I was especially drawn to the good rating it got for rear side impact; you know where the 3 year old and 2 month old sit.

    The Camry seemed to nickel and dime me for options. To keep mpg higher, we were looking at the LE model. Very few of the standard features of the Jetta TDI were even offered in the Camry. When it was all said and done, the under $20k car was the same price as the TDI.

    I am going to take the XC90 in to both the VW dealership and Carmax to see what they will give me for it. If the numbers match up, who knows, I may have a TDI next week. We are going to, however, take the Camry for a day or so to see how we really feel about it. i was very happy with VW here in Fayetteville, NC when they didn't bat an eye when I declined to test drive and told them I only wanted to take it for the day and return the next. No problems from them. They even offered to let me have it again this weekend.

    Thanks for all of the input. I really do appreciate it.

    jeff
  • dl7265dl7265 Member Posts: 1,381
    Well, the Civic and its sister the integra are 2 of the highest rate of stolen cars year after year. Part of the reason is the cost of the parts...

    DL
  • dl7265dl7265 Member Posts: 1,381
    Good luck in your search.I contacted 8 dealers so far and the results were. 5 no replies at all. 2 MSRP and 1 for 2% over invoice. I also mentioned I did not have time for a drive at one center and was offered to take it home over nite. Try that at yota, honda ect....

    DL
  • ianrilianril Member Posts: 8
    Okay. Here's the problem. I turn my A/C or heater on and my blower motor makes a horrible noise. It also vibrates the entire car. I'm no mechanic, but I assume it's the blower motor area as I took my glove box out and pinpointed the sound of the problem. Now, I get cold air still and it still blows at what seems to be the normal pressure. I've read up that it could either be the motor itself or the resistor, but I have no idea which one. I figure the motor is still working as I'm still getting air and heat at normal pressure. Any help or insight would be appreciated. Thanks guys.
  • jimlockeyjimlockey Member Posts: 265
    by bpeebles Apr 26, 2006 (5:56 pm)
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    Replying to: jworthington (Apr 26, 2006 4:40 pm)

    The Toyota will be more reliable than Jetta... that is almost a given. but dont confuse "reliability" with "quality".

    Before I bought my 05 Passat TDI I owned a 04 Toyota Seinna. While I had the Seinna we had four recalls, so don't say the VW Jetta is that much worse than Toyota. I have owned over 40 new vehicles and I consider the Toyota Seinna the second worse vehicle I have ever owned. The only good thing I can say about it is: It had the best radio of all and it averaged 20 mpg.

    Our 05 VW Passat TDI had some minor problems that the dealer fixed the first month. We AVERAGE right at 35 MPG. I have some complaints: The AM side of my radio has poor reception and I hate the 17" tires. 17" tires are hard to find and expensive. You can get 16" tires. That was my fault.

    As for the $35,000 price for the Jetta. I have a hard time believing an 06 Jetta TDI would cost that much. I only paid $25,000 for our new 05 Passat TDI. One big plus for the new Jetta's is the new automatic transmission. I wish I had this on my Passat. I've seen a number of reports on the 06 Jetta TDI and all are great plus the new crash test for the 06 Jetta was 5 star.
  • ianrilianril Member Posts: 8
    Scratch that... just had some padding lining that had torn loose inside the motor... /whew.
  • sean9sean9 Member Posts: 82
    Also as a new owner of the 06'Jetta TDI, (had it for about 7 months) This is an all round fantastic car. I get about 48mpg on average, Diesel is way cheaper than gas here which is a big bonus! Compared to the Camry it looks about 20 times nicer!! No matter what everyone says about EXTREME repair bills and dealership costs My VW service center is awesome, Free oil change every once in a while and they are great about working a good deal out. This car handles very well, sweet leather package, good warranty, over all I personally would not even compare this car to a Camry, Maybe an Audi? But then again I am a younger guy and alot of older people may like the Toyota Camry. ;)
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    The good news is you can look forward to even BETTER fuel mileage from 55-60k. The TDI does not develop full compression till then !! This is in contrast to the gasser whose full compression happens long about 1-5k.
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  • 24262426 Member Posts: 4
    I have never owned a VW before and am considering the Jetta TDI. I'm concerned about how much maintenance may cost, reliability etc. Does anyone have feedback on this?

    I drive about 2,300 miles a month and need a reliable car with great mileage. Does the TDI REALLY get 48 mpg on the highway? Any guesses at the MPG if I'm cruising at 80 mph?

    I'm hoping the 2006 TDI will blow my 2003 Civic Hybrid away!
  • sheil10sheil10 Member Posts: 1
    I just got a 2002 jetta TDI and i was wondering what are to best upgrades I can do to get the most power for the least amount of money.
  • eliaselias Member Posts: 2,209
    i mostly cruise at 80 mph. my 2003 jetta tdi wagon 5-spd returned 48 mpg with such driving over about 60k miles. my 2004 passat tdi gets about 37 mpg with such driving. more if i keep it closer to 70.
  • merlynnmerlynn Member Posts: 1
    I bought a 2006 Jetta TDI about a week and a half ago. I went with the TDI for the gas mileage as I drive about 3-4000 miles a month. I had been on my second Mercedes C230. It was up to 204,000 miles on the motor. There really were not any problems to speak of except the price of premium fuel. So, I had been really enjoying my Jetta and the fact that I only had to fill up about once a week. Then last Friday the transmission went out in it. Yes, it was only one week old and had about 1000 miles on it. It was towed back to the dealership and is being checked over as I write this. So far, they are not really sure what the problem is. It may be stuck between two gears. The transmission is an automatic. As this was my first VW, I am quite disgusted with the whole experience. Has anyone had a similar event? At this point, I would like my money returned, so I can buy another Benz.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    "Well, the Civic and its sister the integra are 2 of the highest rate of stolen cars year after year. Part of the reason is the cost of the parts...

    DL "

    As most folks know, the one figure one pays for auto insurance can be made up of a number of categories. So in terms of "safety" the fact that the Civic and its sister the Intergra are 2 of the highest rate of stolen cars, year after year would probably affect/effect the comprehensive portion and not the "liability" portion.
  • jimlockeyjimlockey Member Posts: 265
    No very likely anything will get 48 MPG at 80 MPH. Slow it down between 65 and 70 and you may be able to get that kind of mileage.
  • eliaselias Member Posts: 2,209
    keeping speeds closer to 60 & 70 , my 2003 jetta 5-spd wagon would exceed 50 mpg substantially - nearly 55 mpg. i strategically commuted in that car when fuel was $1/gallon and am now commuting in a 21 mpg V8 subcompact instead! timing is everything...
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    "No very likely anything will get 48 MPG at 80 MPH. Slow it down between 65 and 70 and you may be able to get that kind of mileage. "

    I would agree wit your first sentence. It might not be in the direction you might think! @ 80 mph I get a steady 50 mpg. I would disagree with your 2nd sentence. At 65/70 we are talking inxs of 55 mpg.
  • bpeeblesbpeebles Member Posts: 4,085
    I can get over 56MPG on a highway trip. This is with 4 adults and a trunk full of luggage. The AC was on as it was over 80F outside. I would say that my average speed may have been 70MPH. The trip was about 12 hours in length. (less than one tank of fuel!!)

    It is IMPERITIVE that one breaks in the TDI engine properly to acheive good sealing of the piston rings. Babying a TDI engine may result in lower MPG overall.
  • dl7265dl7265 Member Posts: 1,381
    Sounds like the megatronic went out. I've heard of a few of these being bad outta the box. Hopefully they can get you back on the road soon.

    DL
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    Just as a comparison, I took a San Jose, CA to Portland Oregon trip with a friend and got an overal 37 mpg on a Honda Civic. He drove 85-90, I drove 80/85. I would say all in all we pushed the Civic FAR less than I would have gone with the Jetta TDI
  • sebring95sebring95 Member Posts: 3,241
    My lifetime Avg on my TDI is around 46mpg. I'm usually running in the 75-85mph range depending on traffic. If I'm just running 100% highway, it'll do over 50mpg at those speeds and I have about 20hp worth of mods.
  • sandman52sandman52 Member Posts: 36
    After driving my my 05.5 New Jetta for about 8 months now, I can't say there is much about this car I don't like, but one thing I have missed on occasion is having fog lamps.

    I've talked with the dealer about their availability, and even though the owners manual talks about how to turn them on by pulling outward on the light switch, the dealer sounds like there isn't much chance of VW offering them as an add on accessory.
    I see the new VW GTI has them, and that the side front grilles they are mounted in look very similar in size and shape to the Jetta, but no support from the dealer on checking for fit.
    Has anyone out there found an answer for this? I'd really like to get some, but want them to look like they belong there, and not just some aftermarket afterthought.
    :confuse:
  • sebring95sebring95 Member Posts: 3,241
    The Factory fogs are built into the headlamp assemblies. So you'd have to buy new assemblies and a switch (maybe a few other things, I forget). I've seen others make this upgrade and it didn't seem to difficult, but very expensive. I think I calculated $500 or so do do it. The flip side is you could probably get a couple hundred out of your factory headlamps on Ebay or something. If you do a search, there are some online TDI clubs and you'll find folks there that have done this mod.
  • dl7265dl7265 Member Posts: 1,381
    That sounds like a fun drive if you took the 101.

    DL
  • dl7265dl7265 Member Posts: 1,381
    You can get a complete GLI grill kit for about $187.00 you would also need a euro switch about $60 and of course the fogs and relays. Ud think it would be wired up and would be plug and play But nooooo. As far as Im concerned they are safety equipment. Why the TDI and VE Jetta's dont get them and the 2.0T and GLI do, is beyond me.

    DL
  • jpc4jpc4 Member Posts: 2
    I'm about to purchase a new Jetta TDI and was wondering about the oil pan issues I have seen crop up on the board. Is the oil pan on the 2006 Jetta TDI as vulnerable to road debris as 2005 Jetta and Beetle? Are there any other concerns I should look for when I pick the car up?

    Thanks,
    John C.
  • ianrilianril Member Posts: 8
    Got the following problem codes today.

    P0380 (Glow Plug/Heater Circuit(A) ElectricalFault in Circuit) - Read that changing the harness may fix this error. Any other thoughts?

    P1403 (EGR Flow Deviation) - Couldn't find any suggestions for a fix for this one. Any thoughts?

    Thanks much!!
  • bpeeblesbpeebles Member Posts: 4,085
    You asked for thoughts.... I am sure you can get additoinal details if you research the internet.

    P0380 == Ususally a CONNECTOR between harness and glowplug. If not maintained, these connectors will corrode to the point of failre. Replacing harness ends may be the only long-term fix for this.

    P1403 == Sounds like your engine may suffering from getting intake-manifold plugging. To check for this, pull off the clamp/hose entering the intake manofold on the passengers side. Use flashlight to look inside... I am willing to bet that you will find it filled with carbon-goo.
  • sebring95sebring95 Member Posts: 3,241
    P0380 (Glow Plug/Heater Circuit(A) ElectricalFault in Circuit) - Read that changing the harness may fix this error. Any other thoughts?

    I believe that's the code I get every six months or so. I find cleaning all the contacts with sand paper (or other contact cleaner). The MIL is very sensitive and a little corrosion can set the light. That's the cheap thing to try anyway!
  • manda06tdimanda06tdi Member Posts: 1
    As I write this, my 2006 Jetta TDI 6 speed w/automatic Tiptronic transmission (w/828 miles on her) is back at the dealer, torn apart b/c no one knows what is wrong w/ her! Yesterday, I noticed a really loud grinding & banging coming from my car. I pulled into WalMart and shopped for about an hour. When I came out and started my car, the noises had gotten louder. I reversed out of my spot, put it into Drive and w/out my foot on the gas, she took off from me! I slammed on my brakes, the car made a very loud pop noise and started to stall. I shut it off and started it again and it started but made some loud sounds like it was back firing. It stalled again and I drifted back into a parking spot. This is where I sat until the towing company came and stated that this was the 6th 06 VW to be towed by him...and I live in a small country town! I later got a phone call stating that the dealer had no idea what was wrong and that they had pin-pointed the noises to a certain location and were just gonna start stripping my car down. To top it all off- all that $ paid for the car and they put me up in a Kia Spectrum! They couldn't even give me another VW to drive. This was my 1st VW experience as well & am too very disappointed. I would like my $ back too, but my dealer says it's too late. Did they find out what was wrong w/ yours yet?
  • jimlockeyjimlockey Member Posts: 265
    This applies to any car that is low to the ground.

    This is not our only problem. You could blame VW Jetta for all the chuckholes in all the roads today. I've ruined two tires because of them. You could blame the Jetta for bad windshields just because no one covers the gravel trucks anymore. You could blame VW for bad tires that keep picking up screws from contractors trailers. The truth of the matter is the US auto manufactories and Toyota don't want VW to succeed with their diesels. They would rather keep building the big tanks for the soccer mons.

    The real truth is the 06 Jetta TDI is the best diesel car in the US market today. There are plenty of dealers for support and they don't cost an arm and a leg to buy.
  • sandman52sandman52 Member Posts: 36
    Thanks DL.
    I agree, foglamps should be standard basic safety equipment, but at least an option for all, if standard on some like the 2.0T, and GTI

    It sounds like you have looked into this too, since you seem to know the costs of the associated parts.

    Do you know for sure if the grilles are interchangeable for fit? If so, I may continue to pursue them.
    Thanks!
  • dl7265dl7265 Member Posts: 1,381
    Yeah, one guy added the upper GLI grill, but not the lowers. So at least that is no problem. Im still suprised that the wiring harness is not allready there. I think either way I will get the Auto/euro switch, and probably have the DRL disabled.

    DL
  • bpeeblesbpeebles Member Posts: 4,085
    Be careful here.... One reason that the TDI does not have foglights in the lower part of the grille is because of the intercooler. The lower-passenger-side grille is the intake for the intercooler. It would be unwise to plug it up with a foglamp.

    If you REALLY want more light... there are other options. (use your favorite search-engine and search for "VW AND E-Code")
  • imncfanimncfan Member Posts: 1
    Curious, what is the approximate 0-60 time on the car?
    Tarheel
  • dl7265dl7265 Member Posts: 1,381
    OK, now that makes sense. Can't belive this is the first time I've heard that.

    Thanks,
    DL
  • cosmocosmo Member Posts: 203
    I appreciate people who think systems and consider how changes in components may impact other components. I wish politicians could think like you do. However, please note that the half of the right lower grill where the fog light would be mounted is already blocked off in the TDI grill. Also, front fog lights mounted in the lower grills are available on the Sport version of the Jetta TDI in Europe and Britain. So, I doubt that air flow would be altered.

    I installed Hella Micro DE fog lights and lower grills in my 2004 Passat GL TDI wagon, which did not come with factory fogs. The end result looks and functions 100% factory. I had to change the lower grills (supplied by Hella), run wires from the fog lights to the wiring harnesses in the kick panels, plug a VW fog light relay into the fuse panel, and change to a European headlight switch. I also wired the tail lights for rear fog lights. Except for the ground wire, the wiring from the front fog lights to the kick panel, and the wiring to the rear fog lights, its factory.

    I just bought my Jetta TDI yesterday, and I have not yet received the eBahn CD, so I am not sure yet which factory wires to tap into. But, I imagine the European headlight switch will plug in to the North American wiring harness without a problem, and I bet the North American wiring harness contains front fog light wiring coming out of the fuse panel.
  • bpeeblesbpeebles Member Posts: 4,085
    The headlight switch may be an even EASIER swap than you think.

    Did you know that your headlight switch just "unplugs" from the dashboard? Push it in slightly and turn it... then it just pulls right out of the dashboard. The wiring-harness remains in the back of the dash...which the switch assembly pull out of it.

    As for your argument that "other" turbocharged VWs have foglights.... you make a very good point.

    I guess I just wanted to point out the we need to be cognizant of the intercooler air-intake as we think about adding foglights.
  • jpc4jpc4 Member Posts: 2
    I would say that this a problem, depending on your personality, which you may or may not find concerning. I've owned VW diesels for a long time and have never even hear of having an oil pan ripped open (dented maybe.) Just as my 98 TDI had issues with the window regulators which did not concern me to much as I was capable of fixing them. Had I needed to pay someone to fix them it would have bothered me a lot more.
    To me losing an oil pan is pretty catastrophic given the fact that if you are not quick enough to shut down the engine, you will cook it. If this is still an issue with the 2006's then I would be looking to put on a new skip plate. Call me overly cautious all you want, but it is one thing being proactive about (at a reasonable price) will insure I do not have any problems with.
    You are right about there being plenty of VW dealers. But finding a dealer who employs a good TDI mechanic is another story. I wish there were a listing place were TDI service was rated in the North East.
  • diesel_sootdiesel_soot Member Posts: 1
    Hello I just bought my new jetta 06 TDI it now has 500 miles on it. I wanted to know if they have fixed your and what the trouble was.

    Thanks hope the best of luck to you and your new TDI in the future.

    Diesel_soot
  • timsueshdtimsueshd Member Posts: 1
    My husband and I are thinking of buying a 2006 Jetta TDI Manual 5-speed. But we are a little leary because of the new diesel requirements the government is coming out with. How much is this going to affect diesel prices at the pump, especially in a few years?

    The cost of the car is $22,000 and we currently have no car payment, is the diesel really worth buying and having a car payment? We would get double gas mileage then our 2003 Bonneville.

    What are your thoughts??

    Thanks
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